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Trading cards vs. Button exchange? (Updated OP)

cafeganeshacafeganesha Registered User regular
edited April 2010 in PAX Archive
It has been decided that we will do buttons for Prime and trading cards for East. I'm editing the OP so there's no confusion for those new to this thread. Now the current issue at hand is deciding who will be in charge of starting and maintaining the official Buttoneers thread, since redhalo would like to hand it off to someone else this year.

Here's my old post:
Has it been completely decided forever and ever that PAX Prime will do buttons and East will do cards? I'm really, really hoping that maybe we can exchange cards for Prime this year instead of buttons if possible.

Here are my arguments in favor of cards:

1. As the number of PAX attendees grows exponentially, it becomes really expensive to have custom buttons made if you want to have enough to trade with absolutely everybody. I'm sure that you could get a lot more cards made for the same price, and then would be able to trade with many more people. Those who have a very small budget could still participate by printing out their own cards at home.

2. Buttons get really, really heavy. Both years I've attended, I've spent the entire weekend with extremely sore shoulders from constantly carrying around so much metal. Cards would be far easier and less painful to carry around.

3. Although it was really fun to be try to spot button traders by their bag/lanyard/etc being covered with 5000 buttons, after PAX (at least for me?) nearly all of them ended up just being shut away in containers for the rest of time. Cards could be slotted into those clear card holder pages for binders, and act as a way to trade contact info.

4. At PAX 09 there was a huge number of vendors handing out buttons, much more than I remember at PAX 08. I don't know if the vendors had caught wind of the button exchange and were just trying to get in on the fun, but I actually found it a little hard to spot button traders last year since so many non-button-traders were covered in vendor buttons.

Any thoughts on this? I apologize if this has already been debated a million times, but I feel I must plead my case, at least for the welfare of my lean wallet and sore shoulders!

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    Moe FwackyMoe Fwacky Right Here, Right Now Drives a BuickModerator mod
    edited April 2010
    I don't think there's any real savings cost-wise with trading cards over buttons. The purpose of trading cards was to do something different for PAX East. I'm pretty sure everybody is still set on doing buttons for prime. The only reason that thread hasn't gone up yet is because redhalo hasn't been around recently.

    Also, if you think it was hard finding people with buttons last year. Finding people with trading cards was next to impossible. As it is, I need to send Peasant Dave a stack of my cards in exchange for a stack of random cards that get sent to him, because I only ended up with about 10.

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    heelsheels Registered User regular
    edited April 2010
    Buttons rule.

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    ninjownedninjowned Registered User regular
    edited April 2010
    I didn't do trading cards at East because the list of people doing them was so small, but definitely doing buttons again!

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    SrolSrol Registered User regular
    edited April 2010
    I agree, although I wouldn't be too harsh on the trading cards, since this was the first year. I gave a ton out to strangers I met and a lot of people weren't aware of them and were interested in doing it for next year, so I wouldn't be surprised if you see a lot more cards next year at PAX East.

    Plus, Paul and Storm recognized my Twitter avatar on the back of mine and wrote "I know you from teh Twitterz," on it.

    But yeah, buttons are definitely the Prime thing. You will have a harder time avoiding buttons then finding them. They're everywhere.

    I'm still going to bring my leftover PAX East cards, just because even after leaving a giant stack with Dave at the end of PAX East, I still have quite a lot left over. Plus, they were a great icebreaker and way to exchange Twitter/Gamertag info.

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    RdrRdr Rider Registered User regular
    edited April 2010
    I think more and more people will do trading cards with each PAX East but I am personally looking forward to making buttons for Prime.

    I like that there are two different things like this and not just the same at both PAXes.

    Hopefully someone can talk to redhalo cause people are foaming at the mouth for a button topic haha.

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    BigRedBigRed Seattle, WARegistered User regular
    edited April 2010
    I thought the trading cards were dumb :P I might actually do buttons again this year.
    I wish I could line my cape with buttons but then the cape wouldn't function properly when its super weighted down.

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    AlphonsisAlphonsis Registered User regular
    edited April 2010
    I would think that if you started at the shoulders and worked your way in and down, you would be able to maintain the fluidity of the cape. It would start to look like pauldrons if anything, which might be cool ^_^

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    BrennaCeDriaBrennaCeDria Registered User regular
    edited April 2010
    I'm definitely in for buttons, but I'm going to have to go with a super-limited set cause I'm broke. Also, I'm having trouble getting my avatar to fit the template on Purebuttons without getting warped, so I'm not sure what to use so far. :(

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    Lynx_Lynx_ Registered User regular
    edited April 2010
    I think op's made a lot of good points, though I've never done buttons before and don't have an emotional attachment to them. I think it sounds like fun either way, but I do like the added "info exchange" bonus of the trading cards and the fact that you can store them more efficiently than buttons post-PAX. I have enough clutter around in my house and probably don't need to add a bunch of buttons to that. It sounds like buttons are here to stay for Prime, but I would also be willing to be part of a smaller contingent that does cards :P

    Another possible alternative, just throwing it out: stickers? I think they're a little cheaper, but they're also not reusable, and they need to be stuck to the right surface or they'll fall off. Not perfect, but I thought I'd suggest it. *shrug*

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    WormdundeeWormdundee Registered User regular
    edited April 2010
    I would much much prefer to stick with buttons. I'm really into each PAX having their own 'thing' and the buttons were really fun. I would be very sad if people started doing trading cards at Prime.

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    MetaverseNomadMetaverseNomad Registered User regular
    edited April 2010
    BigRed wrote: »
    I thought the trading cards were dumb :P I might actually do buttons again this year.
    I wish I could line my cape with buttons but then the cape wouldn't function properly when its super weighted down.

    Woahhhhh that's a great idea. Maybe I'll wear my cape one day just to showcase my buttons!

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    beta_angelbeta_angel ColoradoRegistered User regular
    edited April 2010
    I would also prefer to stick with buttons. I like the showing-off function of them for one and it was pretty funny walking up to people and asking if they were a buttoneer only to have them say "What the fuck is a buttoneer?"

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    cafeganeshacafeganesha Registered User regular
    edited April 2010
    Alright, sounds like buttons it is. Can we all try to do 1" size buttons then? This way you can cram more buttons onto whatever you're covering with buttons and it's slightly less metal.

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    BigRedBigRed Seattle, WARegistered User regular
    edited April 2010
    afaik button size is up to the individual person

    If i have the money im going to get like 3.5" buttons made :P

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    PeasantDavePeasantDave Jersey ShoreRegistered User regular
    edited April 2010
    Not official info, but close enough:

    We will be doing buttons again at Prime. Trading cards will remain an East thing, this is mostly "by popular demand".

    That said...

    Trading cards were substantially cheaper, smaller, and lighter. Finding people was harder than buttons, but many traders did just as good as buttoneers in the past. The largest obstacle was the time/skill it takes to create a card vs a button.

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    PeasantDavePeasantDave Jersey ShoreRegistered User regular
    edited April 2010
    Not official info, but close enough:

    We will be doing buttons again at Prime. Trading cards will remain an East thing, this is mostly "by popular demand".

    That said...

    Trading cards were substantially cheaper, smaller, and lighter. Finding people was harder than buttons, but many traders did just as good as buttoneers in the past. The largest obstacle was the time/skill it takes to create a card vs a button.

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    ArcoArco Registered User regular
    edited April 2010
    It's hard to buck tradition. I think you'll have a revolution on your hands if you try and campaign for something other than buttons.

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    LTAcostaLTAcosta Boston, MARegistered User regular
    edited April 2010
    Of course I will be doing buttons again, and I think 1.5" is the perfect size for a button. I did a few 1 inch ones in the past for bonus buttons, but I felt there just wasnt enough room. Also, how much did it cost for cards at east? I was originally planning on doing them, but somebody PMed me saying it cost around 50 bucks for a hundred, and I just didn't have the money when it came down to it. If it really was 50 bucks for a hundred, then how is that cheaper than buttons? 100 Buttons are like $26 + Shipping - like 15% off for a coupon...

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    ninjownedninjowned Registered User regular
    edited April 2010
    I was excited for the trading cards at East, but I just didn't get around to it. My lack of motivation stemmed from the fact that not enough people were doing it (imo).

    I'll definitely do cards next year... if I can make it out to East again!

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    LigerLiger Registered User regular
    edited April 2010
    Regardless of what others do, I will be making more buttons. I'll have them both for Liger and KnittedSteel.net, and the KS buttons will be limited to those who buy lanyards from me leading up to Prime.

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    contrefaitcontrefait Registered User regular
    edited April 2010
    I will be doing buttons as well. I think this year, I'll be doing 5 different designs. All of the MI1 sword fighting insults.

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    Rogue_hunterRogue_hunter Breaks Through Brick Walls Los AngelesRegistered User regular
    edited April 2010
    I have all my buttons from last year as they shipped late, but I'll be doing bonus buttons for those that I got buttons from last year.

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    de4dmeta1de4dmeta1 Registered User regular
    edited April 2010
    We better be doing the buttons again. I still have my big bag o' buttons from PAX '09 that arrived /after/ PAX.

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    macrogeekmacrogeek Registered User regular
    edited April 2010
    My card order came in under $30 w/ discounts + shipping for 100. They actually shipped me about 175.

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    eye-shuheye-shuh Walla Walla, WARegistered User regular
    edited April 2010
    Yeah, I like buttons for Prime, cards for East. The buttons are a hassle to collect and carry around, but they're also super fun! Plus we've gotten it so popular that some of the media guests are starting to notice. i.e. Wil Wheaton did buttons last year.
    Lynx_ wrote: »
    Another possible alternative, just throwing it out: stickers? I think they're a little cheaper, but they're also not reusable, and they need to be stuck to the right surface or they'll fall off. Not perfect, but I thought I'd suggest it. *shrug*

    I don't mean for this to sound rude, but stickers are a very bad idea. We would get banned from the convention center and probably most of the hotels from people sticking them everywhere.

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    beta_angelbeta_angel ColoradoRegistered User regular
    edited April 2010
    eye-shuh wrote: »
    I don't mean for this to sound rude, but stickers are a very bad idea. We would get banned from the convention center and probably most of the hotels from people sticking them everywhere.

    I had the exact same initial response. Stickers would not go over well...not only would people stick them on things they shouldn't, they tend to unstick from clothing, they'd get on the floor and it would be badness.

    As mentioned prior, buttons can be cumbersome but it's something that's going to last you as a memory for a *lot* longer than stickers plus, they're just fun to have!

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    Lynx_Lynx_ Registered User regular
    edited April 2010
    No problem, I kind of felt the same way about the stickers. I have a couple that have been stuck to my DS since the beginning of time, but they're usually more troublesome/annoying/easily lost than fun or collectible. The only reason I thought of it was because I tend to decorate surfaces and consoles much more often than I do clothing, accessories, or bags. I could just get a PAXbag that's intended to be covered in buttons though :P

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    ploogleploogle Registered User regular
    edited April 2010
    I'm personally a huge fan of the button swap idea, although I don't think we should be limited to just using our forum avatar. Any design or phrase of ours we put on it should be good, imho. I'd rather swap buttons for things that I might actually put on a backpack.

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    Moe FwackyMoe Fwacky Right Here, Right Now Drives a BuickModerator mod
    edited April 2010
    I'm going to be making a bunch of INFRACTION! buttons maybe with a few banhammers mixed in for fun.

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    LTAcostaLTAcosta Boston, MARegistered User regular
    edited April 2010
    ploogle wrote: »
    I'm personally a huge fan of the button swap idea, although I don't think we should be limited to just using our forum avatar. Any design or phrase of ours we put on it should be good, imho. I'd rather swap buttons for things that I might actually put on a backpack.

    It has never been restricted to avatars. The general idea though was to make one button that represents you, and has your forum name on it, so that when you make the actual swap, people can put a face to the name. Since it is easy to remember peoples avatars, that is a commonly used picture, but it's not necessarily the requirement. Also, some people decide to make some "bonus" buttons which could be absolutely anything, and sometimes they require some sort of pre requisite to obtain.

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    tektek meh... WARegistered User regular
    edited April 2010
    I've already got my first batch of buttons, figured I'd use the discount code card thingie PureButtons gave.. I haven't decided on my 2nd button, or if I'm just gonna order more of my first design.

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    Moe FwackyMoe Fwacky Right Here, Right Now Drives a BuickModerator mod
    edited April 2010
    Has anybody tried to contact redhalo to see if he's still going to be heading up this year's thread?

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    cafeganeshacafeganesha Registered User regular
    edited April 2010
    Moe Fwacky wrote: »
    Has anybody tried to contact redhalo to see if he's still going to be heading up this year's thread?

    I just sent him a message on twitter, since it seems he still uses it. Someone with an Xbox or Facebook want to try the other links on his contact page?

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    ploogleploogle Registered User regular
    edited April 2010
    LTAcosta wrote: »
    It has never been restricted to avatars. The general idea though was to make one button that represents you, and has your forum name on it, so that when you make the actual swap, people can put a face to the name. Since it is easy to remember peoples avatars, that is a commonly used picture, but it's not necessarily the requirement. Also, some people decide to make some "bonus" buttons which could be absolutely anything, and sometimes they require some sort of pre requisite to obtain.

    Gotcha. Is there a dedicated meetup for these things? What times?

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    beta_angelbeta_angel ColoradoRegistered User regular
    edited April 2010
    ploogle wrote: »
    Gotcha. Is there a dedicated meetup for these things? What times?

    Usually, there is one final meetup at the end of PAX right outside the doors of the convention center. Otherwise, there's the Pre-PAX dinner, the Pub Crawl (among others) and of course, the floors of PAX!!

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    redhaloredhalo Also a Professional Alcoholic Registered User regular
    edited April 2010
    Hey all you cool cats who blasted my twitter and phone asking whats up. First I apologize for not being around in the off season as I was unable to make it to PAX East and reading the forums would have depressed me. Second, I am unsure at this moment if I am going to Prime, next East, or both. I will do one, but not sure on which yet. That said, I would love to hand over the reigns of buttoneering to someone else this year if I could. I personally plan on bringing a bag of buttons to either (or both) PAX's that I may be attending in addition to whatever is planned. Would anyone like to volunteer for the new Buttoneer thread?

    edit: JonXP and associated crew, I know you had future plans for buttoneering. You know you have first shot at this, if you like.

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    PeasantDavePeasantDave Jersey ShoreRegistered User regular
    edited April 2010
    redhalo wrote: »
    Hey all you cool cats who blasted my twitter and phone asking whats up. First I apologize for not being around in the off season as I was unable to make it to PAX East and reading the forums would have depressed me. Second, I am unsure at this moment if I am going to Prime, next East, or both. I will do one, but not sure on which yet. That said, I would love to hand over the reigns of buttoneering to someone else this year if I could. I personally plan on bringing a bag of buttons to either (or both) PAX's that I may be attending in addition to whatever is planned. Would anyone like to volunteer for the new Buttoneer thread?

    edit: JonXP and associated crew, I know you had future plans for buttoneering. You know you have first shot at this, if you like.

    Hrm... I wonder which neurotic buttoneer blasted your phone?

    If no one picks up the reigns I will likely be able to do it, but my free time is limited.

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    BrennaCeDriaBrennaCeDria Registered User regular
    edited April 2010
    Hrm... I wonder which neurotic buttoneer blasted your phone?

    If no one picks up the reigns I will likely be able to do it, but my free time is limited.

    Hopefully he just has his Twitter tied into his mobile?

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    redhaloredhalo Also a Professional Alcoholic Registered User regular
    edited April 2010
    Hrm... I wonder which neurotic buttoneer blasted your phone?

    If no one picks up the reigns I will likely be able to do it, but my free time is limited.

    Hopefully he just has his Twitter tied into his mobile?

    That too, but I did get a couple of sms's.

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    LTAcostaLTAcosta Boston, MARegistered User regular
    edited April 2010
    redhalo wrote: »
    Hey all you cool cats who blasted my twitter and phone asking whats up. First I apologize for not being around in the off season as I was unable to make it to PAX East and reading the forums would have depressed me. Second, I am unsure at this moment if I am going to Prime, next East, or both. I will do one, but not sure on which yet. That said, I would love to hand over the reigns of buttoneering to someone else this year if I could. I personally plan on bringing a bag of buttons to either (or both) PAX's that I may be attending in addition to whatever is planned. Would anyone like to volunteer for the new Buttoneer thread?

    edit: JonXP and associated crew, I know you had future plans for buttoneering. You know you have first shot at this, if you like.

    I have an idea! Choose prime now, then impulse choose east when it comes around! But if you really have to choose only one, I'd choose Prime...

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