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iPhone 2010: This is going to change everything. Again.
iPhone 4 was announced on June 7, 2010. Launching in six countries in June, another 12 in July, and 88 by September, Apple purports that it represents "the largest leap since the original iPhone"
Features:
longer battery life
flexible, strong glass front and back
custom steel band that acts as an antenna
screen with 4x the pixel density
unified inboxes, multitasking, folders
iBooks, synced with your iPad if you have one
gyroscope added for six axis motion sensing
720p HD video recording with $4.99 iMovie editing app to edit on the go
5mp camera with LED flash. Flash stays on for video recording
front facing camera and wifi-only video chat called FaceTime
If it's real then this is big. The last time a leak even remotely like this happened at Apple Steve pulled every ATI card from their line-up and went Nvidia only. If it isn't a plant then someone is in a world of hurt right now.
I don't imagine Gizmodo is coming out of this unscathed. This could be viewed as stolen property. Will Apple sue? What's going to happen next?
I don't want to sound vehemently anti-Apple or anything like that, and I appreciate that the iPhone is "srs business", but I can't help but think that what everyone is expecting is a little bit on the side overreacting.
Still, I'm definitely not informed on the subject. Maybe having someone in Gizmodo wake up with a horse head under his sheets is a proportional response. Personally, I think this was just some semi-clever ruse on Apple's part to advertise the coming product.
Also, if it is the next iPhone, I like the new direction they're going. Never liked the curved surfaces (that's just me) on the edges.
I'm fairly convinced that this is probably a deliberate leak, whether to steal thunder from HTC Desire etc, or just to focus test the new design. If it was genuine I'm sure Apple's lawyers would have already had a field day.
On the subject of the phone itself. I'm pretty disappointed, and I've been holding out for the new iPhone for awhile. The screen not being significantly bigger is probably my main issue with it, especially if they're going for a higher res. I was also kinda expecting them to put a decent camera lens on it too, but that's more a bit dream option.
Does the Desire have any sort of buzz outside of the geek community?
I don't know about the Desire, but this did happen to "leak" on the same day Verizon officially announced the Droid Incredible. As Verizon's Droid push has been one of the largest campaigns targeting the iPhone crowd as of late, it's not entirely inconceivable that the two are related. Unlikely, yes, but not impossible.
Meh. The 3GS is getting all of OS 4.0, I'm not in a huge hurry to upgrade at this point. I bet next year's revision will be nice.
Edit: Oops, this is basically a double post from the other thread that I forgot I posted in earlier.
This is exactly where I'm at on this phone. I have never wanted to videochat on it, I don't do much gaming on it, and I haven't had a space issue (though when I start redoing all my mp3s in 320 VBR that might change).
Apple's a big fan of focus-grouping through the media with "leaks." They'll often test things like price points in the media before a release. I wouldn't put it past them for this to be a plant. Seems a little far-fetched that someone just happened to lose their 4G iPhone in a bar--Apple doesn't seem like the sort of company that lets employees wander around with pre-release prototypes.
My 3G has a big crack in the back and I'm eligible for an update, so I hope these suckers are affordable (comparatively, of course).
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Apple doesn't seem like the sort of company that lets employees wander around with pre-release prototypes.
Except we know that certain people have access to pre-release phones up to months in advance, and that people do go to bars/restaurants even if they are on NDAs. Also, it's not like it was just sitting there looking like a new phone; the thing came with a camouflage kit to make it look like a 3Gs.
Er, you don't know if you care about the iPhone 4G's features if they haven't been announced yet.
Sure I do. The only thing I really wanted was the ability to stream music from a third party in the background, and I'm getting that. The rest is gravy, which is always neat, but nothing I need.
So the last time someone lost a fucking iPhone prototype the committed suicide?
What the fuck?
And whats with the fucking Illuminapple "big scary secret" shit going on with all these bloggers? It's a company that rehashes old technology into new devices, makes it "shiney" and then sells it at 10x the original value. What's so big and scary? I mean, don't get me wrong, I enjoy Apple products, I have several in my library of tech, but hot damn, it's a leaked phone. OMG WUT LOL!
That little rant aside, I am not impressed. 4.0 might be awesome, and they will phase out the 3GS soon, but I don't see dumping more cash on another iphone (I have 2 and an iPad) when all it adds is better battery and a camera on the front.
That little rant aside, I am not impressed. 4.0 might be awesome, and they will phase out the 3GS soon, but I don't see dumping more cash on another iphone (I have 2 and an iPad) when all it adds is better battery and a camera on the front.
I think this is kind of where I'm at. I know the announcement of anything Apple does is like the second coming for techno-geeks, but nothing I've seen about this phone looks that groundbreaking. I'm not a huge Apple person, so perhaps I'm just missing something here. Is there anything particularly exciting about this other than the whole "it's the new iPhone" buzz that would be generated regardless of the featureset?
So the last time someone lost a fucking iPhone prototype the committed suicide?
What the fuck?
And whats with the fucking Illuminapple "big scary secret" shit going on with all these bloggers? It's a company that rehashes old technology into new devices, makes it "shiney" and then sells it at 10x the original value. What's so big and scary? I mean, don't get me wrong, I enjoy Apple products, I have several in my library of tech, but hot damn, it's a leaked phone. OMG WUT LOL!
That little rant aside, I am not impressed. 4.0 might be awesome, and they will phase out the 3GS soon, but I don't see dumping more cash on another iphone (I have 2 and an iPad) when all it adds is better battery and a camera on the front.
The references to the dangers of leaking an Apple product surround stories of security at Chinese manufacturer Foxconn, and Apple has claimed they're trying to make sure fox conn security tones it down a little after gaining media attention
Also the last guy to lose an iPhone prototype killed himself, but he was a worker at foxconn and likely did so because he couldn't cope with the impending loss of his job, not because he was afraid Apple would break his legs.
Still, stories like the above combined with being one of the most secretive tech companies in the world breeds the stupid jokes comparing Jobs to Tony Soprano that you're seeing around the web today.
Also the last guy to lose an iPhone prototype killed himself, but he was a worker at foxconn and likely did so because he couldn't cope with the impending loss of his job, not because he was afraid Apple would break his legs.
Well, no, he was probably afraid of Foxconn. Rightfully so, if any of those reports were accurate.
That little rant aside, I am not impressed. 4.0 might be awesome, and they will phase out the 3GS soon, but I don't see dumping more cash on another iphone (I have 2 and an iPad) when all it adds is better battery and a camera on the front.
I think this is kind of where I'm at. I know the announcement of anything Apple does is like the second coming for techno-geeks, but nothing I've seen about this phone looks that groundbreaking. I'm not a huge Apple person, so perhaps I'm just missing something here. Is there anything particularly exciting about this other than the whole "it's the new iPhone" buzz that would be generated regardless of the featureset?
possibly insane resolution (960x640), front facing camera for video chat, rear camera with flash (olol) and improved optics, and whatever else they can't tell from their teardown.
They need to post DETAILED pics of the circuitry for the iFixit guys so we can see how much ram, faster processor, etc.
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That little rant aside, I am not impressed. 4.0 might be awesome, and they will phase out the 3GS soon, but I don't see dumping more cash on another iphone (I have 2 and an iPad) when all it adds is better battery and a camera on the front.
I think this is kind of where I'm at. I know the announcement of anything Apple does is like the second coming for techno-geeks, but nothing I've seen about this phone looks that groundbreaking. I'm not a huge Apple person, so perhaps I'm just missing something here. Is there anything particularly exciting about this other than the whole "it's the new iPhone" buzz that would be generated regardless of the featureset?
possibly insane resolution (960x640), front facing camera for video chat, rear camera with flash (olol) and improved optics, and whatever else they can't tell from their teardown.
They need to post DETAILED pics of the circuitry for the iFixit guys so we can see how much ram, faster processor, etc.
The only thing on that list that doesn't exist in other phones is the resolution, and the next bump up is hardly what I'd call "insane." So in other words... it's the new iPhone :?
I'm not sure people have considered how ridiculously tiny that is.
The PPI on the iPhone is already higher than a desktop screen. 960x640 would DOUBLE it.
480x320 is starting to look really outdated compared to newer hardware, especially Android phones. The Droid, Nexus One, HTC Incredible, EVO 4G, etc. all have screens that are 800x480 or better. I think they need to stick a higher resolution screen in there to keep up with the competition.
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Yeah, the higher resolution has been pretty much expected since the last batch of rumored specs came out.
At some point as a user interface designer you are not getting ANYTHING out of more resolution inside of an identical physical area.
It just forces you to make the same graphics larger in raw pixels so that they don't end up being 2 millimeters wide on the actual target device.
There is certainly room for expansion on resolution, but doubling would be absurd and add more fragmentation to the iPhone development cycle which just got a huge mortar shell shot through it with the iPad and "Universal" binaries.
Keep in mind that at least in the case of Nexus One, the advertised resolution is a little bogus thanks to their screen tech.
I'd guess it's similar in res as all the other screens. It's probably just what LCD manufacturers are making now.
It definitely doesn't look like an Apple device though. Looks more like an HP device or ASUS.
What res is the iPad running? Is it possible they got the iPad screen res (or a multiple of it) so developers can just make apps for the iPad screen and then it would scale easily for the iPhone so they don't need to make two versions?
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edited April 2010
Doesn't the iPad already essentially double iPhone apps that it runs now? Seems like an iPhone with double resolution would be able to do that with iPhone apps made for the 3GS and eariler.
It's not the same and no, it doesn't even work that way. The iPad and iPod/Phone use totally different interface files and, in certain facets of the API, are distinguished from one another explicitly.
Doesn't the iPad already essentially double iPhone apps that it runs now? Seems like an iPhone with double resolution would be able to do that with iPhone apps made for the 3GS and eariler.
It doubles them. But it also doubles them in physical viewing area.
I... I don't know how to better explain this.
Look at your iPhone, and now imagine that something on the screen is literally 50% smaller than what it is now.
That's what it will be like, less the developers make a whole new graphics set to support the new resolution.
Doesn't the iPad already essentially double iPhone apps that it runs now? Seems like an iPhone with double resolution would be able to do that with iPhone apps made for the 3GS and eariler.
It doubles them. But it also doubles them in physical viewing area.
I... I don't know how to better explain this.
Look at your iPhone, and now imagine that something on the screen is literally 50% smaller than what it is now.
That's what it will be like, less the developers make a whole new graphics set to support the new resolution.
Why would it be 50% smaller if the new iPhone doubled it the same way the iPad does now? It would the exact same size - each original pixel would be a block of 4 pixels.
Because the iPad is on a massive screen the size of a book and the iPod is still what.... 2x4 inches?
Have you actually seen what the iPad does when you go to 2x mode?
It's mapping 480x320 to 960x640... but across 8 or so inches.
With the new iPhone resolution you'd be mapping twice as many pixels to a space that is half the size.
what?
the UI elements would be the exact same size on the screen (in physical measurements) on the 4g as they were on the original iPhone if you doubled the resolution of the screen and then doubled the pixels of a 480x320 app in 2x mode
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Still, I'm definitely not informed on the subject. Maybe having someone in Gizmodo wake up with a horse head under his sheets is a proportional response. Personally, I think this was just some semi-clever ruse on Apple's part to advertise the coming product.
Also, if it is the next iPhone, I like the new direction they're going. Never liked the curved surfaces (that's just me) on the edges.
On the subject of the phone itself. I'm pretty disappointed, and I've been holding out for the new iPhone for awhile. The screen not being significantly bigger is probably my main issue with it, especially if they're going for a higher res. I was also kinda expecting them to put a decent camera lens on it too, but that's more a bit dream option.
I don't know about the Desire, but this did happen to "leak" on the same day Verizon officially announced the Droid Incredible. As Verizon's Droid push has been one of the largest campaigns targeting the iPhone crowd as of late, it's not entirely inconceivable that the two are related. Unlikely, yes, but not impossible.
Edit: Oops, this is basically a double post from the other thread that I forgot I posted in earlier.
This is exactly where I'm at on this phone. I have never wanted to videochat on it, I don't do much gaming on it, and I haven't had a space issue (though when I start redoing all my mp3s in 320 VBR that might change).
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It's getting all of the announced features from the OS 4.0 developer preview
anything unannounced at this point isn't guaranteed to be in the 3GS, and obviously anything using new hardware won't be supported
My 3G has a big crack in the back and I'm eligible for an update, so I hope these suckers are affordable (comparatively, of course).
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I should rephrase; the 4.0 features I care about are coming to the 3GS.
I am, however, doubtful that it'll be worth spending the extra money to upgrade from a 3GS. Cheaper to just wait for the 2011 model.
Sure I do. The only thing I really wanted was the ability to stream music from a third party in the background, and I'm getting that. The rest is gravy, which is always neat, but nothing I need.
What the fuck?
And whats with the fucking Illuminapple "big scary secret" shit going on with all these bloggers? It's a company that rehashes old technology into new devices, makes it "shiney" and then sells it at 10x the original value. What's so big and scary? I mean, don't get me wrong, I enjoy Apple products, I have several in my library of tech, but hot damn, it's a leaked phone. OMG WUT LOL!
That little rant aside, I am not impressed. 4.0 might be awesome, and they will phase out the 3GS soon, but I don't see dumping more cash on another iphone (I have 2 and an iPad) when all it adds is better battery and a camera on the front.
I think this is kind of where I'm at. I know the announcement of anything Apple does is like the second coming for techno-geeks, but nothing I've seen about this phone looks that groundbreaking. I'm not a huge Apple person, so perhaps I'm just missing something here. Is there anything particularly exciting about this other than the whole "it's the new iPhone" buzz that would be generated regardless of the featureset?
The references to the dangers of leaking an Apple product surround stories of security at Chinese manufacturer Foxconn, and Apple has claimed they're trying to make sure fox conn security tones it down a little after gaining media attention
Also the last guy to lose an iPhone prototype killed himself, but he was a worker at foxconn and likely did so because he couldn't cope with the impending loss of his job, not because he was afraid Apple would break his legs.
Still, stories like the above combined with being one of the most secretive tech companies in the world breeds the stupid jokes comparing Jobs to Tony Soprano that you're seeing around the web today.
Well, no, he was probably afraid of Foxconn. Rightfully so, if any of those reports were accurate.
I don't think Apple has anything to gain at this point by suing Gizmodo or pressing charges, they just won't send them anymore invites or exclusives.
I'm just outa my 3G contract.
possibly insane resolution (960x640), front facing camera for video chat, rear camera with flash (olol) and improved optics, and whatever else they can't tell from their teardown.
They need to post DETAILED pics of the circuitry for the iFixit guys so we can see how much ram, faster processor, etc.
Let's play Mario Kart or something...
ALSO: I am seriously skeptical of a new screen resolution.
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The only thing on that list that doesn't exist in other phones is the resolution, and the next bump up is hardly what I'd call "insane." So in other words... it's the new iPhone :?
I'm not sure people have considered how ridiculously tiny that is.
The PPI on the iPhone is already higher than a desktop screen. 960x640 would DOUBLE it.
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Late June in the US (like the previous phones). No idea for AU, though.
480x320 is starting to look really outdated compared to newer hardware, especially Android phones. The Droid, Nexus One, HTC Incredible, EVO 4G, etc. all have screens that are 800x480 or better. I think they need to stick a higher resolution screen in there to keep up with the competition.
It just forces you to make the same graphics larger in raw pixels so that they don't end up being 2 millimeters wide on the actual target device.
There is certainly room for expansion on resolution, but doubling would be absurd and add more fragmentation to the iPhone development cycle which just got a huge mortar shell shot through it with the iPad and "Universal" binaries.
Keep in mind that at least in the case of Nexus One, the advertised resolution is a little bogus thanks to their screen tech.
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It definitely doesn't look like an Apple device though. Looks more like an HP device or ASUS.
What res is the iPad running? Is it possible they got the iPad screen res (or a multiple of it) so developers can just make apps for the iPad screen and then it would scale easily for the iPhone so they don't need to make two versions?
It's not the same and no, it doesn't even work that way. The iPad and iPod/Phone use totally different interface files and, in certain facets of the API, are distinguished from one another explicitly.
we also talk about other random shit and clown upon each other
It doubles them. But it also doubles them in physical viewing area.
I... I don't know how to better explain this.
Look at your iPhone, and now imagine that something on the screen is literally 50% smaller than what it is now.
That's what it will be like, less the developers make a whole new graphics set to support the new resolution.
we also talk about other random shit and clown upon each other
Why would it be 50% smaller if the new iPhone doubled it the same way the iPad does now? It would the exact same size - each original pixel would be a block of 4 pixels.
That sounds pretty rad to me. I am a fan of high density screens in general, though.
Have you actually seen what the iPad does when you go to 2x mode?
It's mapping 480x320 to 960x640... but across 8 or so inches.
With the new iPhone resolution you'd be mapping twice as many pixels to a space that is half the size.
we also talk about other random shit and clown upon each other
the UI elements would be the exact same size on the screen (in physical measurements) on the 4g as they were on the original iPhone if you doubled the resolution of the screen and then doubled the pixels of a 480x320 app in 2x mode
then tell me if everything is the same size
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