I don't know why people complain about this game's soundtrack. Sure, yeah, the first game's was better, but the music in this is still pretty damn good.
Need to beat this now. Just resumed my university studies and been having playing just short sessions on and off, so I've lost the thread a little bit.
Anyway, case 4 is driving me nuts at the moment:
[spoiler:dc3454aacd]"Grasp this concept before I tell the name of my client." It seems I've tried anything that makes and doesn't make sense, and I don't get this. A hint, anyone?[/spoiler:dc3454aacd]
Need to beat this now. Just resumed my university studies and been having playing just short sessions on and off, so I've lost the thread a little bit.
Anyway, case 4 is driving me nuts at the moment:
[spoiler:343ed9b204]"Grasp this concept before I tell the name of my client." It seems I've tried anything that makes and doesn't make sense, and I don't get this. A hint, anyone?[/spoiler:343ed9b204]
[spoiler:343ed9b204]That might be the one where you have to press every point and then press the right one over again. If not, be prepared to do it at some point during this radio chat.[/spoiler:343ed9b204]
Need to beat this now. Just resumed my university studies and been having playing just short sessions on and off, so I've lost the thread a little bit.
Anyway, case 4 is driving me nuts at the moment:
[spoiler:8a23f8510d]"Grasp this concept before I tell the name of my client." It seems I've tried anything that makes and doesn't make sense, and I don't get this. A hint, anyone?[/spoiler:8a23f8510d]
[spoiler:8a23f8510d]That might be the one where you have to press every point and then press the right one over again. If not, be prepared to do it at some point during this radio chat.[/spoiler:8a23f8510d]
[spoiler:8a23f8510d]Yeah, you don't present anything here. Just keep a-pressing. You have to press everything once, then (I think) the first one again, and then (I think) the last one again. Press press press your way to VICTORY.[/spoiler:8a23f8510d]
Need to beat this now. Just resumed my university studies and been having playing just short sessions on and off, so I've lost the thread a little bit.
Anyway, case 4 is driving me nuts at the moment:
[spoiler:375b3b5530]"Grasp this concept before I tell the name of my client." It seems I've tried anything that makes and doesn't make sense, and I don't get this. A hint, anyone?[/spoiler:375b3b5530]
[spoiler:375b3b5530]That might be the one where you have to press every point and then press the right one over again. If not, be prepared to do it at some point during this radio chat.[/spoiler:375b3b5530]
[spoiler:375b3b5530]Yeah, you don't present anything here. Just keep a-pressing. You have to press everything once, then (I think) the first one again, and then (I think) the last one again. Press press press your way to VICTORY.[/spoiler:375b3b5530]
Ah, turns out you had to press them in the right order without reaching the "end". And Phoenix's objection then was pretty much what I had in mind myself.
Then I got stuck soon after, where you had to present the
[spoiler:375b3b5530]wine glass[/spoiler:375b3b5530]. It was fairly obvious to me and I'm sure I tried it, but for some reason it wouldn't accept the objection... perhaps you had to press certain points before presenting it...?
As much as I love these two games, they can be slightly frustrating sometimes when it comes to presenting your case.
finished the game, not entirely sure how it stacks up. I did get annoyed at some of the processes though. I especially hated how some testimonies required you to press a number of statements, then repress a particular one to get things to continue, even if there was no contradiction revealed by pressing the other statements. The final witness of the fourth case was particularly bad about this, where you had to press every one of his statements, let him elaborate on them, then repress a particular one despite there being no indication that repressing it would yield a different result.
More specific comments, total game spoilers ahead
[spoiler:bbdfff30e8]Franziska was definitely a far weaker prosecutor than Edgeworth or her father. Edgeworth always knew more than you did, and laid quite a few traps where he tricked Phoenix into damaging his own case. While that worked against case 5 in PWAA, since I already knew that Edgeworth could be convinced I was right and work with me a la Will Powers' trial, it was extremely effective in case 4 of JFA where your client actually was guilty, and the evidence largely worked in Edgeworth's favor. Manfred von Karma was an absolute demon in the courtroom. His presence dominated the courtroom, and he was a brick wall where you had to fight for every last shred of evidence or testimony you dragged out of his witnesses. Battling him required you to have everything lined up perfectly and you simply couldn't relent. If you weren't constantly on the attack you lost.
Franziska though was simply a bully with a whip. She tried to be the same wall that Manfred was, but instead of ruling through iron will alone she simply whipped the hell out of anyone who disagreed. While it made for great comic effect, it also made her come across far weaker. She just wasn't the threat that Edgeworth or Manfred were. that said, I did find her ending extremely poignant, when you're reminded that she's just a kid trying to live up to two impossible standards.
I'm not sure if I preferred PWAA or JFA's case 4. I'm a sucker for great plot twists and character development, and the way PWAA brought in DL-6, Misty Fey's "mistake" (bringing her picture back after it's cameo in case 2 was brilliant), Edgeworth's own reasons for becoming a prosecutor, and the double trial provided all that in spades. I loved it as I slowly pieced together just what had happened during both murders.
JFA case 4 was far less interesting in terms of twists. Admittedly I thought it was Adrian Andrews until she broke down on the stand, but by the second investigation I had everything figured out except how I was going to convict Engarde and free Maya. However, where case 4 kicked ass was in terms of Phoenix's own character. He was forced through the exact same choices Edgeworth made in PWAA, only where Edgeworth had to prosecute an innocent party Phoenix had to defend a guilty one. that second trial day I felt like absolute slime, especially when I had to defend Engarde by attacking Andrews. I literally felt dirty presenting each successive piece of evidence. the way Phoenix questions himself and what his duty as a lawyer was made for some brilliant development. That said, it also totally destroyed ever using Edgeworth as a prosecutor again. He just doesn't have any intimidation factor at all anymore. [/spoiler:bbdfff30e8]
[spoiler:49f1245e42]Somewhat disappointed by the ending. I was expecting hug and kisses. All I see is hug. And not even a real hug, just Wright extending arms to Maya. Being a fan of the cliche girl-fall-in-love-with-her-big-brother-figure, I was excited to see Karma crying... 'Edward. Go for it man! Hug her! Kiss Kiss Kiss!' Then nada, nothing, plane flying. Woopy doo, you weakling.[/spoiler:49f1245e42]
dude, [spoiler:49f1245e42]Edgeworth is like her brother, man. That's sick.[/spoiler:49f1245e42]
that's not a good picture of him, but he looks so Gantlike. It's obvious that he could be evil.[/spoiler:aaf2fd0149]
edit: Case 4, game 1[spoiler:aaf2fd0149]You know in Case 2, when you have a choice of taking one of two pictures. One is of Misty. Is the other of Gregory? I forgot who it was.[/spoiler:aaf2fd0149]
So I just beat JFA and I take it [spoiler:51a9a33055]PW4 is based off the bad ending? I haven't read much on here about it for fear of spoilers.[/spoiler:51a9a33055]
So I just beat JFA and I take it [spoiler:1925072720]PW4 is based off the bad ending? I haven't read much on here about it for fear of spoilers.[/spoiler:1925072720]
I think JFA is better than the first game because of the very, very important final case:
[spoiler:854c9bbb8b]It bothered me a lot in the first game the very patronizing way it portrayed lawyers and prosecutors, as if defending someone was always the just way, that your client was always innocent, and that prosecutors were heartless bastards.
And now with Edgarde Phoenix learns what it means to be a lawyer.[/spoiler:854c9bbb8b]
Basically if that didn't happen I'd probably drop the series.
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So...what's the bad ending?
[realspoiler:afda3c4584]Maya dies? Phoenix becomes a drunk bastard because of it, huh.[/realspoiler:afda3c4584]
[realspoiler:afda3c4584]Phoenix botches the final evidence, Engarde is found innocent, cheering and confetti and all. Phoenix skips town and goes into hiding without ever seeing Maya again, although he finds out she was freed unharmed. He later reads in a paper that Adrian Andrews is convicted for the murder of Juan Corrida. Sad music plays, Nick wanders off into the night.[/realspoiler:afda3c4584]
So...what's the bad ending?
[realspoiler:e32d43868d]Maya dies? Phoenix becomes a drunk bastard because of it, huh.[/realspoiler:e32d43868d]
[realspoiler:e32d43868d]Phoenix botches the final evidence, Engarde is found innocent, cheering and confetti and all. Phoenix skips town and goes into hiding without ever seeing Maya again, although he finds out she was freed unharmed. He later reads in a paper that Adrian Andrews is convicted for the murder of Juan Corrida. Sad music plays, Nick wanders off into the night.[/realspoiler:e32d43868d]
Also, no, the bad ending isn't what leads to the fourth game.
[spoiler:5afcd976b7]During the part of Andrews' testimony where she testifies about how she poured the juice for Corrida, she says he's "slumped in the corner".
I objected on the basis of the crime photo. He's in a chair not "in the corner". But it didn't take. what the fuck?[/spoiler:5afcd976b7]
[spoiler:8b2b52bbbe]During the part of Andrews' testimony where she testifies about how she poured the juice for Corrida, she says he's "slumped in the corner".
I objected on the basis of the crime photo. He's in a chair not "in the corner". But it didn't take. what the fuck?[/spoiler:8b2b52bbbe]
Is this also the part where she says [spoiler:8b2b52bbbe]she didn't think he was dead at the time?
If yeah, then the crime photo might say otherwise.[/spoiler:8b2b52bbbe]
[spoiler:fe701ddddc]During the part of Andrews' testimony where she testifies about how she poured the juice for Corrida, she says he's "slumped in the corner".
I objected on the basis of the crime photo. He's in a chair not "in the corner". But it didn't take. what the fuck?[/spoiler:fe701ddddc]
Is this also the part where she says [spoiler:fe701ddddc]she didn't think he was dead at the time?
If yeah, then the crime photo might say otherwise.[/spoiler:fe701ddddc]
[spoiler:fe701ddddc]Oh, I got it. I just got the wrong detail.[/spoiler:fe701ddddc]
[spoiler:316158f1e5]During the part of Andrews' testimony where she testifies about how she poured the juice for Corrida, she says he's "slumped in the corner".
I objected on the basis of the crime photo. He's in a chair not "in the corner". But it didn't take. what the fuck?[/spoiler:316158f1e5]
Is this also the part where she says [spoiler:316158f1e5]she didn't think he was dead at the time?
If yeah, then the crime photo might say otherwise.[/spoiler:316158f1e5]
[spoiler:316158f1e5]Oh, I got it. I just got the wrong detail.[/spoiler:316158f1e5]
yeah, there's a lot of stuff like that in the game, like [spoiler:316158f1e5] the cape is purple! and he wasnt in the corner![/spoiler:316158f1e5]
[spoiler:254751ec5b]During the part of Andrews' testimony where she testifies about how she poured the juice for Corrida, she says he's "slumped in the corner".
I objected on the basis of the crime photo. He's in a chair not "in the corner". But it didn't take. what the fuck?[/spoiler:254751ec5b]
Is this also the part where she says [spoiler:254751ec5b]she didn't think he was dead at the time?
If yeah, then the crime photo might say otherwise.[/spoiler:254751ec5b]
[spoiler:254751ec5b]Oh, I got it. I just got the wrong detail.[/spoiler:254751ec5b]
yeah, there's a lot of stuff like that in the game, like [spoiler:254751ec5b] the cape is purple! and he wasnt in the corner![/spoiler:254751ec5b]
[spoiler:254751ec5b]Come ON! The monkey did it! He could lift the damn bust!!![/spoiler:254751ec5b]
So...what's the bad ending?
[realspoiler:b495545ebd]Maya dies? Phoenix becomes a drunk bastard because of it, huh.[/realspoiler:b495545ebd]
[realspoiler:b495545ebd]Phoenix botches the final evidence, Engarde is found innocent, cheering and confetti and all. Phoenix skips town and goes into hiding without ever seeing Maya again, although he finds out she was freed unharmed. He later reads in a paper that Adrian Andrews is convicted for the murder of Juan Corrida. Sad music plays, Nick wanders off into the night.[/realspoiler:b495545ebd]
So...what's the bad ending?
[realspoiler:fce18689ae]Maya dies? Phoenix becomes a drunk bastard because of it, huh.[/realspoiler:fce18689ae]
[realspoiler:fce18689ae]Phoenix botches the final evidence, Engarde is found innocent, cheering and confetti and all. Phoenix skips town and goes into hiding without ever seeing Maya again, although he finds out she was freed unharmed. He later reads in a paper that Adrian Andrews is convicted for the murder of Juan Corrida. Sad music plays, Nick wanders off into the night.[/realspoiler:fce18689ae]
thats... oh god. Thats really depressing
The good ending, on the other hand, was pretty neat. A satisfying conclusion to a case that really changed the direction of everything.
So...what's the bad ending?
[realspoiler:a53a0ac71e]Maya dies? Phoenix becomes a drunk bastard because of it, huh.[/realspoiler:a53a0ac71e]
[realspoiler:a53a0ac71e]Phoenix botches the final evidence, Engarde is found innocent, cheering and confetti and all. Phoenix skips town and goes into hiding without ever seeing Maya again, although he finds out she was freed unharmed. He later reads in a paper that Adrian Andrews is convicted for the murder of Juan Corrida. Sad music plays, Nick wanders off into the night.[/realspoiler:a53a0ac71e]
thats... oh god. Thats really depressing
The good ending, on the other hand, was pretty neat. A satisfying conclusion to a case that really changed the direction of everything.
[spoiler:a53a0ac71e]Still no hug and kisses.[/spoiler:a53a0ac71e]
I demand Edgeworth/Franziska fan art
PS: I keel you if you post Edgeworth/Phoenix Yaoi art.
So...what's the bad ending?
[realspoiler:02c43b0b7d]Maya dies? Phoenix becomes a drunk bastard because of it, huh.[/realspoiler:02c43b0b7d]
[realspoiler:02c43b0b7d]Phoenix botches the final evidence, Engarde is found innocent, cheering and confetti and all. Phoenix skips town and goes into hiding without ever seeing Maya again, although he finds out she was freed unharmed. He later reads in a paper that Adrian Andrews is convicted for the murder of Juan Corrida. Sad music plays, Nick wanders off into the night.[/realspoiler:02c43b0b7d]
thats... oh god. Thats really depressing
The good ending, on the other hand, was pretty neat. A satisfying conclusion to a case that really changed the direction of everything.
yah.. I got the good ending. hearing about the sad ending, I'm really glad that I didn't get it.
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Anyway, case 4 is driving me nuts at the moment:
[spoiler:dc3454aacd]"Grasp this concept before I tell the name of my client." It seems I've tried anything that makes and doesn't make sense, and I don't get this. A hint, anyone?[/spoiler:dc3454aacd]
Ah, turns out you had to press them in the right order without reaching the "end". And Phoenix's objection then was pretty much what I had in mind myself.
Then I got stuck soon after, where you had to present the
[spoiler:375b3b5530]wine glass[/spoiler:375b3b5530]. It was fairly obvious to me and I'm sure I tried it, but for some reason it wouldn't accept the objection... perhaps you had to press certain points before presenting it...?
As much as I love these two games, they can be slightly frustrating sometimes when it comes to presenting your case.
More specific comments, total game spoilers ahead
[spoiler:bbdfff30e8]Franziska was definitely a far weaker prosecutor than Edgeworth or her father. Edgeworth always knew more than you did, and laid quite a few traps where he tricked Phoenix into damaging his own case. While that worked against case 5 in PWAA, since I already knew that Edgeworth could be convinced I was right and work with me a la Will Powers' trial, it was extremely effective in case 4 of JFA where your client actually was guilty, and the evidence largely worked in Edgeworth's favor. Manfred von Karma was an absolute demon in the courtroom. His presence dominated the courtroom, and he was a brick wall where you had to fight for every last shred of evidence or testimony you dragged out of his witnesses. Battling him required you to have everything lined up perfectly and you simply couldn't relent. If you weren't constantly on the attack you lost.
Franziska though was simply a bully with a whip. She tried to be the same wall that Manfred was, but instead of ruling through iron will alone she simply whipped the hell out of anyone who disagreed. While it made for great comic effect, it also made her come across far weaker. She just wasn't the threat that Edgeworth or Manfred were. that said, I did find her ending extremely poignant, when you're reminded that she's just a kid trying to live up to two impossible standards.
I'm not sure if I preferred PWAA or JFA's case 4. I'm a sucker for great plot twists and character development, and the way PWAA brought in DL-6, Misty Fey's "mistake" (bringing her picture back after it's cameo in case 2 was brilliant), Edgeworth's own reasons for becoming a prosecutor, and the double trial provided all that in spades. I loved it as I slowly pieced together just what had happened during both murders.
JFA case 4 was far less interesting in terms of twists. Admittedly I thought it was Adrian Andrews until she broke down on the stand, but by the second investigation I had everything figured out except how I was going to convict Engarde and free Maya. However, where case 4 kicked ass was in terms of Phoenix's own character. He was forced through the exact same choices Edgeworth made in PWAA, only where Edgeworth had to prosecute an innocent party Phoenix had to defend a guilty one. that second trial day I felt like absolute slime, especially when I had to defend Engarde by attacking Andrews. I literally felt dirty presenting each successive piece of evidence. the way Phoenix questions himself and what his duty as a lawyer was made for some brilliant development. That said, it also totally destroyed ever using Edgeworth as a prosecutor again. He just doesn't have any intimidation factor at all anymore.
dude, [spoiler:49f1245e42]Edgeworth is like her brother, man. That's sick.[/spoiler:49f1245e42]
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that's not a good picture of him, but he looks so Gantlike. It's obvious that he could be evil.[/spoiler:aaf2fd0149]
edit: Case 4, game 1[spoiler:aaf2fd0149]You know in Case 2, when you have a choice of taking one of two pictures. One is of Misty. Is the other of Gregory? I forgot who it was.[/spoiler:aaf2fd0149]
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[spoiler:c9c0b697e4]Hmm, they already used the plastic surgery cliche/[/spoiler:c9c0b697e4]
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[spoiler:87a7507cbb]Andrews, Lotta, and Oldbag all have Psyche-Locks and I don't know what the hell I need to get through them.[/spoiler:87a7507cbb]
[spoiler:8bac1942b7]I'm only a little further along, having broken two of them. Tackle Lotta's first.[/spoiler:8bac1942b7]
[spoiler:fa55ece606]"Adrian Andrews! I choose you!"[/spoiler:fa55ece606]
man, that name irritate me. Adrian is a man's name. It should be Adriana or Adrienne.
Edit: Oldbag's psyche-lock is the easiest thing ever. One piece of evidence will break all four locks.
OBJECTION!!
[spoiler:f41c879e27]In the demo, Phoenix's age is listed as 33, and Ganryuu's as 32.
As Edgeworth is older than Phoenix, that makes this impossible![/spoiler:f41c879e27]
PW4 takes place seven years after 3, so no.
Kudos to you, PW2 writers. That is just...I don't think I could have written a more hateable villian if I tried.
[spoiler:854c9bbb8b]It bothered me a lot in the first game the very patronizing way it portrayed lawyers and prosecutors, as if defending someone was always the just way, that your client was always innocent, and that prosecutors were heartless bastards.
And now with Edgarde Phoenix learns what it means to be a lawyer.[/spoiler:854c9bbb8b]
Basically if that didn't happen I'd probably drop the series.
And Adrian is also a girls name.
[realspoiler:1bea02d29e]Maya dies? Phoenix becomes a drunk bastard because of it, huh.[/realspoiler:1bea02d29e]
Also, no, the bad ending isn't what leads to the fourth game.
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[spoiler:5afcd976b7]During the part of Andrews' testimony where she testifies about how she poured the juice for Corrida, she says he's "slumped in the corner".
I objected on the basis of the crime photo. He's in a chair not "in the corner". But it didn't take. what the fuck?[/spoiler:5afcd976b7]
If yeah, then the crime photo might say otherwise.[/spoiler:8b2b52bbbe]
yeah, there's a lot of stuff like that in the game, like [spoiler:316158f1e5] the cape is purple! and he wasnt in the corner![/spoiler:316158f1e5]
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[spoiler:254751ec5b]Come ON! The monkey did it! He could lift the damn bust!!![/spoiler:254751ec5b]
thats... oh god. Thats really depressing
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The good ending, on the other hand, was pretty neat. A satisfying conclusion to a case that really changed the direction of everything.
[spoiler:a53a0ac71e]Still no hug and kisses.[/spoiler:a53a0ac71e]
I demand Edgeworth/Franziska fan art
PS: I keel you if you post Edgeworth/Phoenix Yaoi art.
yah.. I got the good ending. hearing about the sad ending, I'm really glad that I didn't get it.
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