I'm just saying that all wine tastes like slight variations on fermented grape juice, and that no wine has ever tasted of 'rose petals, lychee, wet stone, and ripe pineapple'.
I'm just saying that all wine tastes like slight variations on fermented grape juice, and that no wine has ever tasted of 'rose petals, lychee, wet stone, and ripe pineapple'.
To you
I've had wines that have tasted (or smelled) to me like all of those, and tobacco, leather, peaches, etc.
I'm just saying that all wine tastes like slight variations on fermented grape juice, and that no wine has ever tasted of 'rose petals, lychee, wet stone, and ripe pineapple'.
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I have had distinct flavors hit my nose and tongue while drinking wine
It didn't happen as often when I first started drinking it, but the more you try, the more flavors you get
Sometimes I think they're reaching a bit with the tasting notes, but usually wines DO taste like a variety of things. Just because YOU don't taste them doesn't mean that others don't, either.
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Maybe I just really, really like the taste of honey.
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Raijin QuickfootI'm your Huckleberry YOU'RE NO DAISYRegistered User, ClubPAregular
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Yeah, I don't think anyone is arguing that you can't tell the difference between wines. They are arguing that you can pull every tiny flavor out of each one. As a matter of fact...
I'm just saying that all wine tastes like slight variations on fermented grape juice, and that no wine has ever tasted of 'rose petals, lychee, wet stone, and ripe pineapple'.
To you
I've had wines that have tasted (or smelled) to me like all of those, and tobacco, leather, peaches, etc.
Yeah, I don't think anyone is arguing that you can't tell the difference between wines. They are arguing that you can pull every tiny flavor out of each one. As a matter of fact...
Yeah, I don't think anyone is arguing that you can't tell the difference between wines. They are arguing that you can pull every tiny flavor out of each one. As a matter of fact...
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Hell Raij, the last part of that article is more about how our subjective brains react to outside influences while trying to describe input from just one sense (label translates to taste, when taste is what should be described alone).
If you had them taste the exact same wine twice, from a set of unlabeled bottles, and the same person came back with drastically different tasting notes, that might be kind of interesting.
Yeah, I don't think anyone is arguing that you can't tell the difference between wines. They are arguing that you can pull every tiny flavor out of each one. As a matter of fact...
I'm saying that just because you can't taste it doesn't mean others can't and that you shouldn't be making blanket statements about such things?
How about I run it through the GC-Mass Spec and tell you if there are any comparable compounds to things like rose petals, pineapple, leather, tobacco, mouse piss, turpentine, peaches, or whatever? I can do that you know.
Yeah, I don't think anyone is arguing that you can't tell the difference between wines. They are arguing that you can pull every tiny flavor out of each one. As a matter of fact...
Yeah, I don't think anyone is arguing that you can't tell the difference between wines. They are arguing that you can pull every tiny flavor out of each one. As a matter of fact...
I'm saying that just because you can't taste it doesn't mean others can't and that you shouldn't be making blanket statements about such things?
How about I run it through the GC-Mass Spec and tell you if there are any comparable compounds to things like rose petals, pineapple, leather, tobacco, mouse piss, turpentine, peaches, or whatever? I can do that you know.
That would actually be really cool, but that still doesn't mean that just because it has a compound similar to peaches, that I will taste peaches and not, like, pears. I dunno. Palate is subjective, and this silly goose is suggesting that everyone says that their palate tells them something other than 'fermented grape juice' is lying about it.
Hey, we should stop talking about whether or not wine tastes like bull piss and leather and hobo sweat and instead talk about beers we like (or if wine and/or whiskey are you thing, those too).
Yeah, I don't think anyone is arguing that you can't tell the difference between wines. They are arguing that you can pull every tiny flavor out of each one. As a matter of fact...
I'm saying that just because you can't taste it doesn't mean others can't and that you shouldn't be making blanket statements about such things?
How about I run it through the GC-Mass Spec and tell you if there are any comparable compounds to things like rose petals, pineapple, leather, tobacco, mouse piss, turpentine, peaches, or whatever? I can do that you know.
Hunter, if you do this, I will brew a beer just for you.
hints of grass, chipmunk, tarmac, burnt oatmeal.
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Hey, we should stop talking about whether or not wine tastes like bull piss and leather and hobo sweat and instead talk about beers we like (or if wine and/or whiskey are you thing, those too).
What are you, the content police? :P
EDIT: I don't wanna drink beer that tastes like chipmunk
Hey, we should stop talking about whether or not wine tastes like bull piss and leather and hobo sweat and instead talk about beers we like (or if wine and/or whiskey are you thing, those too).
What are you, the content police? :P
EDIT: I don't wanna drink beer that tastes like chipmunk
Hey, we should stop talking about whether or not wine tastes like bull piss and leather and hobo sweat and instead talk about beers we like (or if wine and/or whiskey are you thing, those too).
What are you, the content police? :P
EDIT: I don't wanna drink beer that tastes like chipmunk
No, I just didn't want to read y'all arguing for another few pages. :P
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Yeah, I don't think anyone is arguing that you can't tell the difference between wines. They are arguing that you can pull every tiny flavor out of each one. As a matter of fact...
I'm saying that just because you can't taste it doesn't mean others can't and that you shouldn't be making blanket statements about such things?
How about I run it through the GC-Mass Spec and tell you if there are any comparable compounds to things like rose petals, pineapple, leather, tobacco, mouse piss, turpentine, peaches, or whatever? I can do that you know.
That would actually be really cool, but that still doesn't mean that just because it has a compound similar to peaches, that I will taste peaches and not, like, pears. I dunno. Palate is subjective, and this silly goose is suggesting that everyone says that their palate tells them something other than 'fermented grape juice' is lying about it.
No, there are known organic compounds that give banana the taste of banana, and a similar yet different compound would clearly be peach or apple or whatever. Now you're right that some people may taste pear as apple or peach as nectarine due to how similar those would be, but I assure you they would be unique. Unless you're fucked up you won't taste strawberry as something like banana.
Yeah, I don't think anyone is arguing that you can't tell the difference between wines. They are arguing that you can pull every tiny flavor out of each one. As a matter of fact...
Well the guy makes an effort to go for the 'subjective experience' cop-out in the last paragraph, the studies he quotes seems to indicate that wine critics pull all this nonsense about leather and violets out of the ether.
You know what isn't bollocks though? Whiskey critics, or at least the good ones.
When they say a whiskey tastes of peat, that's because it actually has goddamn peat in it.
I like beers that taste like fresh bread. Also, dark beers (Sam Adams Cream Stout is pretty good, sometimes I get a bottle that tastes exactly like coffee, but then sometimes I also get a bottle that tastes like pennies. WTF Sam Adams???)
I like beers that taste like fresh bread. Also, dark beers (Sam Adams Cream Stout is pretty good, sometimes I get a bottle that tastes exactly like coffee, but then sometimes I also get a bottle that tastes like pennies. WTF Sam Adams???)
They are really inconsistent. Their oktoberfest last year was just abominable.
I like beers that taste like fresh bread. Also, dark beers (Sam Adams Cream Stout is pretty good, sometimes I get a bottle that tastes exactly like coffee, but then sometimes I also get a bottle that tastes like pennies. WTF Sam Adams???)
That coppery taste is skunked beer. When the hops break down in beer during the processing, you get compounds called isohumulones. When exposed to UV light over time, those can break down even farther to form intermediates of all kinds. Certain of those intermediates when combined with sulfur produce specific aromatic compounds that are quite the same as the chemicals skunks spray in self defense.
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Sam Adams is a very hop filled beer, and they use multiple types depending on which recipe. Even in amber glass, if exposed to enough light or just old, it will get that bitter, nasty copper taste. The company actually addresses it well and tries to only keep fresh stuff on market.
Raijin QuickfootI'm your Huckleberry YOU'RE NO DAISYRegistered User, ClubPAregular
edited April 2010
I figure if you give most people a bottle of wine and tell them how it tastes like peaches most people are going to agree it tastes like peaches because they don't want to seem stupid.
This doesn't really have to do with the discussion at hand, I'm just saying most people are idiots.
I used to really like Magic Hat beers. Recently though, it seems like they just make the blandest beers. I can't tell if it's because I've started drinking hoppier and fuller flavored beers or if they have just started making crap.
Ah! I've been trying to remember the name of a single malt I had a while back since someone mentioned whiskey and it's finally come back to me. It's called, I kid you not, 'Keith Richards meets Socrates'. Great stuff, smokey as hell and had a kick to it like a goddamn Clydesdale horse.
Ah! I've been trying to remember the name of a single malt I had a while back since someone mentioned whiskey and it's finally come back to me. It's called, I kid you not, 'Keith Richards meets Socrates'. Great stuff, smokey as hell and had a kick to it like a goddamn Clydesdale horse.
Hints of being kicked by a horse, with a touch of being dumped by your girlfriend. Notes of despair and epiphany.
I'm starting my MBA tonight. That is, Masters of Beer Appreciation. There is a bar nearby that has a buttload of beers from all over. If you drink all of the ones on the list, you get a discount for life, your name on the wall, and probably a free session of addiction counseling with Dr. Drew.
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I don't know as much about mead as I do about other wines
How long does it stay good :P
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I'm just saying that all wine tastes like slight variations on fermented grape juice, and that no wine has ever tasted of 'rose petals, lychee, wet stone, and ripe pineapple'.
I would describe the taste as a mix of pine tree and headache.
To you
I've had wines that have tasted (or smelled) to me like all of those, and tobacco, leather, peaches, etc.
I'm not sure, I don't know much about mead either other than it's hella easy to make and that I like it.
Incorrect
I have had distinct flavors hit my nose and tongue while drinking wine
It didn't happen as often when I first started drinking it, but the more you try, the more flavors you get
Sometimes I think they're reaching a bit with the tasting notes, but usually wines DO taste like a variety of things. Just because YOU don't taste them doesn't mean that others don't, either.
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Yeah, we weren't a fan
We didn't even bother opening the raspberry mead
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http://scienceblogs.com/cortex/2007/11/the_subjectivity_of_wine.php
I wonder how this guy's tasting notes read.
You've got to admit that there's some hokey bunkum that goes into wine tasting, like this.
Article says that the taste of wine is subjective
And that's what I'm saying?
I'm saying that just because you can't taste it doesn't mean others can't and that you shouldn't be making blanket statements about such things?
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I knew it!
Wine tastes like goddamn wine!
If you had them taste the exact same wine twice, from a set of unlabeled bottles, and the same person came back with drastically different tasting notes, that might be kind of interesting.
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How about I run it through the GC-Mass Spec and tell you if there are any comparable compounds to things like rose petals, pineapple, leather, tobacco, mouse piss, turpentine, peaches, or whatever? I can do that you know.
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That's not really it at all, actually.
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That would actually be really cool, but that still doesn't mean that just because it has a compound similar to peaches, that I will taste peaches and not, like, pears. I dunno. Palate is subjective, and this silly goose is suggesting that everyone says that their palate tells them something other than 'fermented grape juice' is lying about it.
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Hunter, if you do this, I will brew a beer just for you.
hints of grass, chipmunk, tarmac, burnt oatmeal.
What are you, the content police? :P
EDIT: I don't wanna drink beer that tastes like chipmunk
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How do you know? Have you ever tasted chipmunk?
No, I just didn't want to read y'all arguing for another few pages. :P
No, there are known organic compounds that give banana the taste of banana, and a similar yet different compound would clearly be peach or apple or whatever. Now you're right that some people may taste pear as apple or peach as nectarine due to how similar those would be, but I assure you they would be unique. Unless you're fucked up you won't taste strawberry as something like banana.
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Hahaha
Well the guy makes an effort to go for the 'subjective experience' cop-out in the last paragraph, the studies he quotes seems to indicate that wine critics pull all this nonsense about leather and violets out of the ether.
You know what isn't bollocks though? Whiskey critics, or at least the good ones.
When they say a whiskey tastes of peat, that's because it actually has goddamn peat in it.
They are really inconsistent. Their oktoberfest last year was just abominable.
Also, friends and I are getting together and beginning to brew our own stuff. Should be delicious and hilarious all at once.
That coppery taste is skunked beer. When the hops break down in beer during the processing, you get compounds called isohumulones. When exposed to UV light over time, those can break down even farther to form intermediates of all kinds. Certain of those intermediates when combined with sulfur produce specific aromatic compounds that are quite the same as the chemicals skunks spray in self defense.
EDIT:
Sam Adams is a very hop filled beer, and they use multiple types depending on which recipe. Even in amber glass, if exposed to enough light or just old, it will get that bitter, nasty copper taste. The company actually addresses it well and tries to only keep fresh stuff on market.
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I thought Sam Adams' Oktoberfest was bad this past year too, I thought I was just wrong.
Ahahah I love that
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This doesn't really have to do with the discussion at hand, I'm just saying most people are idiots.
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I mean seriously, I had a couple of glasses and then couldn't smell or taste anything other than whiskey for hours.