So looking at the BBC tally the results weird me out so far. But there's still 250 seats to be declared so I'm still a little hopeful the LibDems can make actual gains and not lose out.
I'm exicted about the prospect of a hung parliament though, a majority government is almost always a bad thing because there will rarely be any real debate.
Looking at the proportional map, the majority of undeclared seats are in london/yorkshire/north-west, which are likely to split evenly/55-45 tory. Going to be very close.
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You know I can console myself with the fact that, in both Britain and the United States, the up and coming generation has a considerable antipathy toward conservative government. If the over-40 set doesn't burn down the world before my peers and I get into political power, we should be able to do a decent job of things.
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So looking at the BBC tally the results weird me out so far. But there's still 250 seats to be declared so I'm still a little hopeful the LibDems can make actual gains and not lose out.
I'm exicted about the prospect of a hung parliament though, a majority government is almost always a bad thing because there will rarely be any real debate.
Is there usually much debate with a minority government? In the US, as long as there aren't really big majorities, debate depends more on the attitude of the parties than their share of Congress; Republicans have swung between weak majorities and somewhat strong minorities in the last fourteen years, and they've never been particularly interested in substantive policy discussions with Democrats over that period.
104 needed out of 204 remaining, with just under half the seats taken so far. Looks possible to me, but it's going to be by a hair if so.
I'm not british so I don't know much about the system, but the vote total to seat ratio seems unusual. The link on the first page has it at 7.5 mil con 5.5 mil labor 4.5mil LD, yet LD has drastically fewer seats than the others.
So looking at the BBC tally the results weird me out so far. But there's still 250 seats to be declared so I'm still a little hopeful the LibDems can make actual gains and not lose out.
I'm exicted about the prospect of a hung parliament though, a majority government is almost always a bad thing because there will rarely be any real debate.
Is there usually much debate with a minority government? In the US, as long as there aren't really big majorities, debate depends more on the attitude of the parties than their share of Congress; Republicans have swung between weak majorities and somewhat strong minorities in the last fourteen years, and they've never been particularly interested in substantive policy discussions with Democrats over that period.
104 needed out of 204 remaining, with just under half the seats taken so far. Looks possible to me, but it's going to be by a hair if so.
Upfront, yes, going forward, not so much. The Party whip system in the UK is insane; it's an event whenever more than about 10 government MPs defy the whip.
I'm not british so I don't know much about the system, but the vote total to seat ratio seems unusual. The link on the first page has it at 7.5 mil con 5.5 mil labor 4.5mil LD, yet LD has drastically fewer seats than the others.
It's perfectly usual, and why many of us want to overhaul the system.
I'm not british so I don't know much about the system, but the vote total to seat ratio seems unusual. The link on the first page has it at 7.5 mil con 5.5 mil labor 4.5mil LD, yet LD has drastically fewer seats than the others.
This is why the LD's are the ones campaigning for political reform. The system is ancient and super flawed.
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Shouldn't the Liberal Democrats start to gain seats more frequently now? They've still got numbers in the low 60's, and right now they're only at 36. Their remaining 20-30 seats should all start coming in the next 200, right?
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I'm not british so I don't know much about the system, but the vote total to seat ratio seems unusual. The link on the first page has it at 7.5 mil con 5.5 mil labor 4.5mil LD, yet LD has drastically fewer seats than the others.
It's a result of the first past the post system that is wonderfully undemocratic.
You know I can console myself with the fact that, in both Britain and the United States, the up and coming generation has a considerable antipathy toward conservative government. If the over-40 set doesn't burn down the world before my peers and I get into political power, we should be able to do a decent job of things.
Wealth will corrupt the young as it has the old.
It is the way of things.
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"Orkses never lose a battle. If we win we win, if we die we die fightin so it don't count. If we runs for it we don't die neither, cos we can come back for annuver go, see!".
You know I can console myself with the fact that, in both Britain and the United States, the up and coming generation has a considerable antipathy toward conservative government. If the over-40 set doesn't burn down the world before my peers and I get into political power, we should be able to do a decent job of things.
Wealth will corrupt the young as it has the old.
It is the way of things.
Bear in mind that 'conservative' means two different things in the UK versus the US. I don't much like many of Cameron's ideas, but I can stomach him (though I won't really have to). McCain was quite awful.
You know I can console myself with the fact that, in both Britain and the United States, the up and coming generation has a considerable antipathy toward conservative government. If the over-40 set doesn't burn down the world before my peers and I get into political power, we should be able to do a decent job of things.
Well, one caveat with that is that people tend to get more conservative as they get older and start to feel they have a stake in the status quo. The boomers were going to change the world too, remember.
Also, as a foreign observer, the little party identification ribbons the UK candidates wear are hilarious.
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You know I can console myself with the fact that, in both Britain and the United States, the up and coming generation has a considerable antipathy toward conservative government. If the over-40 set doesn't burn down the world before my peers and I get into political power, we should be able to do a decent job of things.
Wealth will corrupt the young as it has the old.
It is the way of things.
Bear in mind that 'conservative' means two different things in the UK versus the US. I don't much like many of Cameron's ideas, but I can stomach him (though I won't really have to). McCain was quite awful.
And he's not the worst of them. Maybe the Conservatives are tolerable in Britain because they have to be (publicly) in favor of the NHS and public pensions and social welfare. Most Republicans are none of these things. They nakedly and unabashedly hate the poor, the disadvantaged, the outsider, the immigrant. It especially billows up in conservative talk radio.
And let me tell you something: speaking personally, I hate them just as much.
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Here goes Jacqui.
Ideal result would be 8 seats short or more, thus preventing the DUP from pushing them over.
Con is in.
There goes Jacqui.
I'm exicted about the prospect of a hung parliament though, a majority government is almost always a bad thing because there will rarely be any real debate.
edit: Balls doesn't drop his seat :winky:
Mostly as the Lab/Lib vote was evenly split.
Fuck 4 more just got called
Going to be a squeaker.
Is there usually much debate with a minority government? In the US, as long as there aren't really big majorities, debate depends more on the attitude of the parties than their share of Congress; Republicans have swung between weak majorities and somewhat strong minorities in the last fourteen years, and they've never been particularly interested in substantive policy discussions with Democrats over that period.
104 needed out of 204 remaining, with just under half the seats taken so far. Looks possible to me, but it's going to be by a hair if so.
Upfront, yes, going forward, not so much. The Party whip system in the UK is insane; it's an event whenever more than about 10 government MPs defy the whip.
It's perfectly usual, and why many of us want to overhaul the system.
It's a result of the first past the post system that is wonderfully undemocratic.
.. Nope, spread saved her.
Labour 44
Conservative 21
Lib Dem 8
Respect 1
Wealth will corrupt the young as it has the old.
It is the way of things.
"Orkses never lose a battle. If we win we win, if we die we die fightin so it don't count. If we runs for it we don't die neither, cos we can come back for annuver go, see!".
By the way, the holodeck is so much cooler than even on the Daily Show.
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Well, one caveat with that is that people tend to get more conservative as they get older and start to feel they have a stake in the status quo. The boomers were going to change the world too, remember.
Also, as a foreign observer, the little party identification ribbons the UK candidates wear are hilarious.
And let me tell you something: speaking personally, I hate them just as much.
Next there'll be questgivers!
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Tory 306
Labour 262
Lib 55