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GreasyKidsStuff

Something I noticed second time around that I hadn't the first,

when Cobb is running through Mombasa, it's a really simple thing Nolan did, but that one single overhead shot of all the alleyways as he runs through them? Yeah, looks like a big maze to me. This could mean NOTHING, but I honestly think it's mean to symbolize Cobb isn't in the real world at that point.

SirToasty

GreasyKidsStuff wrote: »

Something I noticed second time around that I hadn't the first,

when Cobb is running through Mombasa, it's a really simple thing Nolan did, but that one single overhead shot of all the alleyways as he runs through them? Yeah, looks like a big maze to me. This could mean NOTHING, but I honestly think it's mean to symbolize Cobb isn't in the real world at that point.

And that one alleyway closing in on him. I actually first assumed he was in a dream but apparently he is not.

Not entirely sure what that is all about.

Seriously

It was about Cobb being too stupid to turn all the way sideways.

SoaL

SirToasty wrote: »

GreasyKidsStuff wrote: »

Something I noticed second time around that I hadn't the first,

when Cobb is running through Mombasa, it's a really simple thing Nolan did, but that one single overhead shot of all the alleyways as he runs through them? Yeah, looks like a big maze to me. This could mean NOTHING, but I honestly think it's mean to symbolize Cobb isn't in the real world at that point.

And that one alleyway closing in on him. I actually first assumed he was in a dream but apparently he is not.

Not entirely sure what that is all about.

its definitely an intentional thing put in there

keep everybody thinking, making up their own minds for what they like best

GreasyKidsStuff

Seriously wrote: »

It was about Cobb being too stupid to turn all the way sideways.

Yeah, I know right?

I heard after I saw it once that apparently the walls close in on him? I couldn't see it. He's just fat. Still though....

Muggins

No the buildings just weren't perfectly parallel.

SirToasty

GreasyKidsStuff wrote: »

Seriously wrote: »

It was about Cobb being too stupid to turn all the way sideways.

Yeah, I know right?

I heard after I saw it once that apparently the walls close in on him? I couldn't see it. He's just fat. Still though....

They don't literally move I don't think. But they do get much closer together. It's just really unusual and makes you think they are closing in. I guess that's all.

SoaL

whole movie spoiler i guess

man that 'the whole movie is a dream' way of thinking it is real neat


and his wife must be really upset then since he didn't trust her and stayed in the dream

UnbreakableVow

The more and more I think about this film, the more and more I love it

This is the opposite of what usually happens

Grey Ghost

Ubik wrote: »

MrMonroe wrote: »

Ubik wrote: »

The danger of limbo is that it's infinite. If you die in a normal dream, you wake up. If you die but you're under heavy sedative, you can't wake up so your brain "wakes up" in limbo. This is probably why it's so easy to think limbo is reality.

Also, because limbo is infinite, the small amount of time between Saito dying and Cobb finding him meant Saito aged a great deal. He could have killed himself over and over and kept waking up in limbo, thus distorting his sense of what was a dream and what wasn't. It wasn't until Cobb found him and the sedative wore off that they were both able to escape limbo by dying.

I also think that since the time in limbo is greatly stretched, by the time Cobb found Saito, Eames and Arthur would be awake, thus "destroying" their dream levels so the only way Cobb and Saito could get out was to go straight to "wake up" and couldn't "ride the kick back up" because there were no levels above them anymore

I would agree with this except

Cobb and the Architect went down into the subconscious level before the Tourist did. They should have been there for ages longer than the Tourist so it doesn't really make sense that he was old by the time Cobb got to him. Though I just see that as more evidence that the entire thing was occurring inside Cobb's head because it made sense to him that he was going down after both the Mark and the Tourist.

I thought Saito died before Mal shot Fischer (which is why Saito couldn't stop it since he was sitting right there). If Saito died after Cobb and Ariadne went down for Fischer, how did Cobb know to get Saito?

Saito was really weak and was still down in the access vent when Fischer got shot. He had let him go up into the room alone. It's not until Eames comes along that he drags Saito up into the room and sets him up with a gun and a grenade. Then Saito dies.

GreasyKidsStuff

I can't stop thinking about it. Just trying to decide what I thought really went on and whatnot... so good. I'm very happy I saw it again tonight.

Grey Ghost

scarlet st. wrote: »

Lord Dave wrote: »

that is one grumpy, douchey opinion

jesus you too

Well, honestly, it's because your post came off as "this movie wasn't so special, why the hell are you even still talking about it." Which does sound pretty grumpy.

Lord Dave

scarlet st. wrote: »

Lord Dave wrote: »

that is one grumpy, douchey opinion

jesus you too

I don't think l'art du cinéma needs your protection in the form of haranguing people for connecting with a great movie

BusterK

scarlet st. wrote: »

Lord Dave wrote: »

that is one grumpy, douchey opinion

jesus you too

You realize there are quite a few people with more knowledge of film than you who also liked this movie, right?
You're not exactly in some ivory tower

Langly

SirToasty wrote: »

Langly that is hysterical.

I've been trying to think, and it's the only time that I can remember waking up laughing.

Lord Dave

One time I dreamt I was the Hamburglar, but also kinda Batman
best dream I ever had

Futore

gonna steal that dream, Dave.

gonna incept the idea in you to give me your dog, too.

Lord Dave

I've tried often to replicate it, but it never comes back
And hell no, my projections are well trained to protect my boy at all costs

Ulises

i still don't know why the snow fortress level was in there. it didn't do much for the plot, messed with the aesthetic ,and it isn't like the rest of the film wasn't full of amazing action sequences

edit--kind of a silly nitpick though huh

Grey Ghost

Ulises wrote: »

i still don't know why the snow fortress level was in there. it didn't do much for the plot, messed with the aesthetic ,and it isn't like the rest of the film wasn't full of amazing action sequences

edit--kind of a silly nitpick though huh

They needed a third level. They needed to plant the idea deep enough for it to take. Why was it a snow fortress? Because it looked cool, that's why.

UnbreakableVow

Grey Ghost wrote: »

Ulises wrote: »

i still don't know why the snow fortress level was in there. it didn't do much for the plot, messed with the aesthetic ,and it isn't like the rest of the film wasn't full of amazing action sequences

edit--kind of a silly nitpick though huh

They needed a third level. They needed to plant the idea deep enough for it to take. Why was it a snow fortress? Because it looked cool, that's why.

I'm actually surprised a snow fortress was as far as they took it

This concept would have really allowed them to go much further out, even in keeping it realistic

Jokerman

Grey Ghost wrote: »

Ulises wrote: »

i still don't know why the snow fortress level was in there. it didn't do much for the plot, messed with the aesthetic ,and it isn't like the rest of the film wasn't full of amazing action sequences

edit--kind of a silly nitpick though huh

They needed a third level. They needed to plant the idea deep enough for it to take. Why was it a snow fortress? Because it looked cool, that's why.

The snow fortress was actualy a millitary hospital

BusterK

It needed to be simple and represent a really big safe

Lord Dave

Snow is a good way to cover up a lack of detailed design

Somebody read The Wee Free Men and get back to me on this one

Barks

I thought the snow level was fucking amazing and when you look at every location and compare them all I think they were all incredibly diverse and beautiful.

Mystral721

Good article detailing 6 different plausible interpretations. I think that I subscribe to the "all a dream" one:

http://www.cinematical.com/2010/07/19/dissecting-inception-six-interpretations-and-five-plot-holes/

BusterK

This was the only plot hole I thought of during the film

If portions of the film are real and Saito is really a key player in the same energy industry as Fischer, shouldn't Fischer have recognized Saito?

Homestar Gunner

BusterK wrote: »

This was the only plot hole I thought of during the film

If portions of the film are real and Saito is really a key player in the same energy industry as Fischer, shouldn't Fischer have recognized Saito?

I briefly considered this, but then went back to considering how goddamn awesome the movie was.

I'm actually upset I haven't seen it a second time yet.

BusterK

I also wondered whether

Any of the versions of Mal were "real" Like not just memories or projections. Actually existing in and of herself

Brodo Faggins

Homestar Gunner wrote: »

BusterK wrote: »

This was the only plot hole I thought of during the film

If portions of the film are real and Saito is really a key player in the same energy industry as Fischer, shouldn't Fischer have recognized Saito?

I briefly considered this, but then went back to considering how goddamn awesome the movie was.

I'm actually upset I haven't seen it a second time yet.

I just chalked it up to

Saito sits to the left and behind of Fischer, who is so preoccupied with his father's death that he doesn't really take the time to look around the cabin after he's sat down (which is slightly before everyone else takes their seat). When Cobb hands Fischer his passport, Fischer doesn't even turn around to look at him.

BusterK

Brodo Faggins wrote: »

Homestar Gunner wrote: »

BusterK wrote: »

This was the only plot hole I thought of during the film

If portions of the film are real and Saito is really a key player in the same energy industry as Fischer, shouldn't Fischer have recognized Saito?

I briefly considered this, but then went back to considering how goddamn awesome the movie was.

I'm actually upset I haven't seen it a second time yet.

I just chalked it up to

Saito sits to the left and behind of Fischer, who is so preoccupied with his father's death that he doesn't really take the time to look around the cabin after he's sat down (which is slightly before everyone else takes their seat). When Cobb hands Fischer his passport, Fischer doesn't even turn around to look at him.

But he still meets him in the dream which he is led to believe represents real people

Barks

This track is beautiful.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-xeHiTmx5AU

Brodo Faggins

BusterK wrote: »

Brodo Faggins wrote: »

Homestar Gunner wrote: »

BusterK wrote: »

This was the only plot hole I thought of during the film

If portions of the film are real and Saito is really a key player in the same energy industry as Fischer, shouldn't Fischer have recognized Saito?

I briefly considered this, but then went back to considering how goddamn awesome the movie was.

I'm actually upset I haven't seen it a second time yet.

I just chalked it up to

Saito sits to the left and behind of Fischer, who is so preoccupied with his father's death that he doesn't really take the time to look around the cabin after he's sat down (which is slightly before everyone else takes their seat). When Cobb hands Fischer his passport, Fischer doesn't even turn around to look at him.

But he still meets him in the dream which he is led to believe represents real people

If that's the case, you'd think he'd have freaked out after he stood up and saw all the people he just went through three dreams with. But that ties in with my theory that it was all a dream, so I don't find it weird.

UnbreakableVow

So this Dileep Rao guy

The guy that played Yusef

He's apparently really new to the whole acting thing, and I liked him a lot in this. A lot of charisma there, I think. I'm curious to see what he does in the future.

Barks

I bought the airline.

UnbreakableVow

Out of a group of five, only myself and another person with me noticed that

The dude at the beginning was Ken Watanabe. Just a very distinctive voice.

I wonder if that was supposed to be a shock to those that don't know him?

Faynor

Brodo Faggins wrote: »

BusterK wrote: »

Brodo Faggins wrote: »

Homestar Gunner wrote: »

BusterK wrote: »

This was the only plot hole I thought of during the film

If portions of the film are real and Saito is really a key player in the same energy industry as Fischer, shouldn't Fischer have recognized Saito?

I briefly considered this, but then went back to considering how goddamn awesome the movie was.

I'm actually upset I haven't seen it a second time yet.

I just chalked it up to

Saito sits to the left and behind of Fischer, who is so preoccupied with his father's death that he doesn't really take the time to look around the cabin after he's sat down (which is slightly before everyone else takes their seat). When Cobb hands Fischer his passport, Fischer doesn't even turn around to look at him.

But he still meets him in the dream which he is led to believe represents real people

If that's the case, you'd think he'd have freaked out after he stood up and saw all the people he just went through three dreams with. But that ties in with my theory that it was all a dream, so I don't find it weird.

But,

He doesn't necessarily even remember the dream. It's the idea, the idea they incepted, that will persist with him.

Brodo Faggins

Faynor wrote: »

Brodo Faggins wrote: »

BusterK wrote: »

Brodo Faggins wrote: »

Homestar Gunner wrote: »

BusterK wrote: »

This was the only plot hole I thought of during the film

If portions of the film are real and Saito is really a key player in the same energy industry as Fischer, shouldn't Fischer have recognized Saito?

I briefly considered this, but then went back to considering how goddamn awesome the movie was.

I'm actually upset I haven't seen it a second time yet.

I just chalked it up to

Saito sits to the left and behind of Fischer, who is so preoccupied with his father's death that he doesn't really take the time to look around the cabin after he's sat down (which is slightly before everyone else takes their seat). When Cobb hands Fischer his passport, Fischer doesn't even turn around to look at him.

But he still meets him in the dream which he is led to believe represents real people

If that's the case, you'd think he'd have freaked out after he stood up and saw all the people he just went through three dreams with. But that ties in with my theory that it was all a dream, so I don't find it weird.

But,

He doesn't necessarily even remember the dream. It's the idea, the idea they incepted, that will persist with him.

Yeah, and it clearly did.

But considering the guy's been trained to be able to fend off extractors in his dream state, you'd think he'd be able to remember a harrowing experience such as that.

Sunday_Assassin

Brodo Faggins wrote: »

Faynor wrote: »

Brodo Faggins wrote: »

BusterK wrote: »

Brodo Faggins wrote: »

Homestar Gunner wrote: »

BusterK wrote: »

This was the only plot hole I thought of during the film

If portions of the film are real and Saito is really a key player in the same energy industry as Fischer, shouldn't Fischer have recognized Saito?

I briefly considered this, but then went back to considering how goddamn awesome the movie was.

I'm actually upset I haven't seen it a second time yet.

I just chalked it up to

Saito sits to the left and behind of Fischer, who is so preoccupied with his father's death that he doesn't really take the time to look around the cabin after he's sat down (which is slightly before everyone else takes their seat). When Cobb hands Fischer his passport, Fischer doesn't even turn around to look at him.

But he still meets him in the dream which he is led to believe represents real people

If that's the case, you'd think he'd have freaked out after he stood up and saw all the people he just went through three dreams with. But that ties in with my theory that it was all a dream, so I don't find it weird.

But,

He doesn't necessarily even remember the dream. It's the idea, the idea they incepted, that will persist with him.

Yeah, and it clearly did.

But considering the guy's been trained to be able to fend off extractors in his dream state, you'd think he'd be able to remember a harrowing experience such as that.

his subconscious had been trained

different thing

Kusuguttai

sub is a prefix, meaning 'under'
that made me giggle.

g'night guys!!