Telling me that you will take your "hundreds of cameras" worth of business elsewhere loses a lot of impact when I've seen blueprints of your facilities and I can't find a place for 70 cameras even at my most paranoid. It loses a lot of impact when I've mapped out camera placement for you and it's 16 cameras. Nor am I amused when you attempt to trick me into disclosing price. I don't have that discussion except in the most general of terms for a reason. And that reason is that I am not someone you're going to use to beat sales up over the pricing.
Thank you.
Every customer thinks they are the most important customer to some extent.
Oddly enough, those that are most firmly convinced of this are typically those that actually provide you with the least business.
Pretty much. There seems to be a inverse relationship between the amount of screaming a customer does and their monetary value to a company. Or why we're extremely willing to fire 16 camera customers and we'll send 4 camera customers to competitors or integrators on our shit list.
All MMORPGs are pretty bullshit, nerds chit-chatting in bars about shit their characters haven't actually done in the game ain't gonna change that.
how is this different than bros getting together to discuss their fantasy football league
Fantasy sports leagues are the worst. At least with a video game you've got something to do/look at. You don't even reenact the game or anything, the fuck is that. And jocks treat it like 'nah it's cool, this ain't nerdy 'causes it's based on that sport I play' and it's like no, fuck you, you are worse than the roleplayers because your game ain't fun and you pretend it's off limits.
Apparently the guys behind Half Life: Blue Shift and the Brothers in Arms series is finishing Duke Nukem Forever.
They're doomed.
I think any attempt to bring back Duke and play him straight is doomed. His only hope is tongue in cheek stuff like that "Fuck, not another puzzle!" line from that gameplay footage released a while back.
Reading the LOTRO free to play plan for winter, it seems to be extremely limiting on the "free" part. Indeed, it could be argued there's nothing free about it at all. If you want to actually be able to do anything proper in the game you need to put money into it. Shite to be honest.
All MMORPGs are pretty bullshit, nerds chit-chatting in bars about shit their characters haven't actually done in the game ain't gonna change that.
how is this different than bros getting together to discuss their fantasy football league
Fantasy sports leagues are the worst. At least with a video game you've got something to do/look at. You don't even reenact the game or anything, the fuck is that. And jocks treat it like 'nah it's cool, this ain't nerdy 'causes it's based on that sport I play' and it's like no, fuck you, you are worse than the roleplayers because your game ain't fun and you pretend it's off limits.
Eh, it gives me a reason to care about games I wouldn't normally care about. Also bragging rights in the office is nice.
I used to play on an NWN persistent world where some people would insist on walking everywhere, because running everywhere wasn't "in character." As if running in that game wasn't slow enough.
I walk a lot in Fallout 3.
Mostly because I'm hauling around 900 pounds of loot.
city of heroes, of all MMORPGs, actually has the ability to make roleplaying matter
for one thing, there's the dialogue choices, alignment system, and branching storylines of Praetoria, which is determined by what sort of personality your dude has in your head
when you are making a dialogue choice based on what your character would think/do, instead of what you the player might think/do, you are roleplaying that guy.
so i mean in terms of actually roleplaying, Mass Effect has roleplaying. WoW doesn't. CoH, as of Going Rogue, does, so that's pretty cool.
also CoH has the Architect system that lets you create your own storyline, villains, etc.
i ran a "Campaign" in City of Heroes where I made new adventures every week and uploaded them and then my "players" played them and told me how they did, and I responded and expanded the story from there, so I was basically a GM for it.
like imagine playing dungeons & dragons but instead of dungeon-crawling or political intrigue or something
you're sitting around the tavern, rolling to see if you get drunk and asking if there are any girls there because if so, you wanna do them
that is what "RPers" in mmorpgs are like
It would be a better use of their time to try roleplaying that in an actual bar, with actual people.
Like maybe sad nerds would benefit from entering social situations with a different persona in mind. Perhaps they are practicing in the game world.
Get actually drunk or actually laid. Get out of parents basement. Wipe off the cheeto dust and do some shit, 'cause MMORPGs aren't really RPGs when it gets down to it that social interaction pays off better IRL.
practicing being vampires or furries trying to have sex with neckbearded dudes pretending to be vampire/ furry/ both girls
not really awesome training for the real world fluffy
what if they go to one of those conventions
those cross-dressing vampire furry conventions
dudes will be fucking set
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I used to play on an NWN persistent world where some people would insist on walking everywhere, because running everywhere wasn't "in character." As if running in that game wasn't slow enough.
I walk a lot in Fallout 3.
Mostly because I'm hauling around 900 pounds of loot.
Encumbrance rules are one of those bits of realism that I will throw out of any PnP or CRPG system if given a chance. I have yet to find a time that they make anything fun for anyone.
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kaleeditySometimes science is more art than scienceRegistered Userregular
edited August 2010
and yeah I didn't mean that to say NEVER WALK IN AN MMO RAWR so that was probably a terrible statement to make
when you are making a dialogue choice based on what your character would think/do, instead of what you the player might think/do, you are roleplaying that guy.
what if that dialogue choice involves actual spoken or typed dialogue
As a former Mu*-er, the [chat] has been a very strange place for the last however many posts.
I never tried rping in WoW though.
But how could two interesting characters talking to each other in a bar not be fun?
I remember in DR, I played a healing class with no combat abilities at all. Most of us tended to gather at the hospital. Much of our RPing consisted of sitting around and being gossipy. Strangely, when I began dealing with nurses a lot, I learned that they do the same thing.
Telling me that you will take your "hundreds of cameras" worth of business elsewhere loses a lot of impact when I've seen blueprints of your facilities and I can't find a place for 70 cameras even at my most paranoid. It loses a lot of impact when I've mapped out camera placement for you and it's 16 cameras. Nor am I amused when you attempt to trick me into disclosing price. I don't have that discussion except in the most general of terms for a reason. And that reason is that I am not someone you're going to use to beat sales up over the pricing.
Thank you.
Every customer thinks they are the most important customer to some extent.
Oddly enough, those that are most firmly convinced of this are typically those that actually provide you with the least business.
Pretty much. There seems to be a inverse relationship between the amount of screaming a customer does and their monetary value to a company. Or why we're extremely willing to fire 16 camera customers and we'll send 4 camera customers to competitors or integrators on our shit list.
In my line of work the phenomenon is most prominent with taxi drivers. Taxi drivers with £2-3k single vehicle policies piss and moan non-stop, whereas we can go months without hearing a peep out of six figure fleets.
Some comedy value in the fact that the industry has really started to tighten the screws on taxi policies, because they're frequently more hassle than they're worth and they attract expensive bodily injury claims. We stopped renewing all of ours a few months ago for exactly that reason, which means there is no longer any incentive to indulge them in their power trips.
That reminds me. Adult Swim had a pilot for this really awesome barbarian cartoon. Pilot was funny as hell. Never was picked up.
Bummer.
Korgoth, yeah, it was great, it was totally like a 14 year olds D&D fantasy.
When they didn't pick that up and picked up fucking squidbillies instead I wrote off adult swim forever.
I actually like Squidbillies.
But that's largely because it pretty much takes place in my home town.
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kaleeditySometimes science is more art than scienceRegistered Userregular
edited August 2010
goddammit CN dropping korgoth before it started was depressing
almost as bad as the whole ATHF advert shutting down chicago and getting people fired/having people step down to the point that the network lost all its sense of awesomeness.
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I used to play on an NWN persistent world where some people would insist on walking everywhere, because running everywhere wasn't "in character." As if running in that game wasn't slow enough.
I walk a lot in Fallout 3.
Mostly because I'm hauling around 900 pounds of loot.
Encumbrance rules are one of those bits of realism that I will throw out of any PnP or CRPG system if given a chance. I have yet to find a time that they make anything fun for anyone.
the only place they are good are if one of your players is wanting to play a lightly-armored fast-attacking dodgy type of dude, in which case it's probably not fair to neglect the encumbrance penalties for Sir Armorplates
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ThomamelasOnly one man can kill this many Russians. Bring his guitar to me! Registered Userregular
Telling me that you will take your "hundreds of cameras" worth of business elsewhere loses a lot of impact when I've seen blueprints of your facilities and I can't find a place for 70 cameras even at my most paranoid. It loses a lot of impact when I've mapped out camera placement for you and it's 16 cameras. Nor am I amused when you attempt to trick me into disclosing price. I don't have that discussion except in the most general of terms for a reason. And that reason is that I am not someone you're going to use to beat sales up over the pricing.
Thank you.
Every customer thinks they are the most important customer to some extent.
Oddly enough, those that are most firmly convinced of this are typically those that actually provide you with the least business.
Pretty much. There seems to be a inverse relationship between the amount of screaming a customer does and their monetary value to a company. Or why we're extremely willing to fire 16 camera customers and we'll send 4 camera customers to competitors or integrators on our shit list.
In my line of work the phenomenon is most prominent with taxi drivers. Taxi drivers with £2-3k single vehicle policies piss and moan non-stop, whereas we can go months without hearing a peep out of six figure fleets.
Some comedy value in the fact that the industry has really started to tighten the screws on taxi policies, because they're frequently more hassle than they're worth and they attract expensive bodily injury claims. We stopped renewing all of ours a few months ago for exactly that reason, which means there is no longer any incentive to indulge them in their power trips.
And at least here it's always a shock when you do things like that. I don't know if you guys got infected with the whole "The Customer is Always Right" nonsense but man it's a fucking issue here.
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YamiNoSenshiA point called ZIn the complex planeRegistered Userregular
edited August 2010
It's official. I'm in Dilbert land. They're going around doing some sort of chair audit.
I tried the City of Heros trial about a year ago. I think maybe that's the kind of game that is better appreciated by people who played it when it was newer. I couldn't really get into it.
the game is constantly improving and innovating
it is, thus far, the only MMORPG that lets you create your own missions, enemies, and story arcs for example
and the new Praetorian content allows you to make choices based on how you want to roleplay your character, with branching storylines and alignment shifts and shit
old hat for single-player RPGs, but for a MMORPG that's pretty brave.
i played it for about a year at launch
was all right. ended out really grindy once you hit i forget which level, and the dev team just flat-out refused to correct some severe balance issues (first with fire tanks, then with slotted regen, then with other stuff). they were really pokey about adding powers or frameworks.
there wasn't enough content either. there would just be large gaps where there wasn't really anything to do but go to a high-level zone and grind mobs.
i didn't like the way they forced your man to stay within framework. and the way they slapped auras onto everything was just visually distracting and ugly
also, i fell in with a supergroup who was really into RP, and i guess i just couldn't stomach it
"RP" in city of heroes is the poops.
but with Architect, you can get a dude (me) to create adventures for you and your buddies, customized for you, with a storyline growing and going on, unique to you
also they made it so that you can turn off all the bullshit auras on most powers, particularely Regeneration, Willpower, Super-Reflexes, and Invulnerability
so if you were like "ugh this is annoying why does my invulnerable dude fucking glow and shit"
you can turn off that fool bullshit (you can also change the colors of all your powers now, and even some of the powers have alternate animations if you prefer)
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My bad, it's been a long time since I've played.
I'll wrap up the crisis next time I get a chance to play.
Pretty much. There seems to be a inverse relationship between the amount of screaming a customer does and their monetary value to a company. Or why we're extremely willing to fire 16 camera customers and we'll send 4 camera customers to competitors or integrators on our shit list.
Fantasy sports leagues are the worst. At least with a video game you've got something to do/look at. You don't even reenact the game or anything, the fuck is that. And jocks treat it like 'nah it's cool, this ain't nerdy 'causes it's based on that sport I play' and it's like no, fuck you, you are worse than the roleplayers because your game ain't fun and you pretend it's off limits.
Seriously I loved the whole thing.
pleasepaypreacher.net
I think any attempt to bring back Duke and play him straight is doomed. His only hope is tongue in cheek stuff like that "Fuck, not another puzzle!" line from that gameplay footage released a while back.
less rape and less neckbeards
well
less neckbeards
I never tried rping in WoW though.
But how could two interesting characters talking to each other in a bar not be fun?
Eh, it gives me a reason to care about games I wouldn't normally care about. Also bragging rights in the office is nice.
I walk a lot in Fallout 3.
Mostly because I'm hauling around 900 pounds of loot.
for one thing, there's the dialogue choices, alignment system, and branching storylines of Praetoria, which is determined by what sort of personality your dude has in your head
when you are making a dialogue choice based on what your character would think/do, instead of what you the player might think/do, you are roleplaying that guy.
so i mean in terms of actually roleplaying, Mass Effect has roleplaying. WoW doesn't. CoH, as of Going Rogue, does, so that's pretty cool.
also CoH has the Architect system that lets you create your own storyline, villains, etc.
i ran a "Campaign" in City of Heroes where I made new adventures every week and uploaded them and then my "players" played them and told me how they did, and I responded and expanded the story from there, so I was basically a GM for it.
can't do that in WoW or Champeens, I tellyawhat
what if they go to one of those conventions
those cross-dressing vampire furry conventions
dudes will be fucking set
o god
the little bit i've overheard is embarrassing
like real embarrassing
nerds pretending to be elves and talking in imagined high midieval speech
they always end up in the tunnels unequipping their armor pieces
Encumbrance rules are one of those bits of realism that I will throw out of any PnP or CRPG system if given a chance. I have yet to find a time that they make anything fun for anyone.
what if that dialogue choice involves actual spoken or typed dialogue
that show was surprisingly hilarious, I wonder if it was renewed
Bummer.
Why are they so interested in killing gooey
did they have a traumatic past? were they raised on the streets?
true that
all deftly navigating the etiquette minefield of suckling on an udder without drawing blood with your vampire fangs
I remember in DR, I played a healing class with no combat abilities at all. Most of us tended to gather at the hospital. Much of our RPing consisted of sitting around and being gossipy. Strangely, when I began dealing with nurses a lot, I learned that they do the same thing.
Mu Mush Muck Mud Moo TinyMu etc etc etc.
Korgoth, yeah, it was great, it was totally like a 14 year olds D&D fantasy.
When they didn't pick that up and picked up fucking squidbillies instead I wrote off adult swim forever.
In my line of work the phenomenon is most prominent with taxi drivers. Taxi drivers with £2-3k single vehicle policies piss and moan non-stop, whereas we can go months without hearing a peep out of six figure fleets.
Some comedy value in the fact that the industry has really started to tighten the screws on taxi policies, because they're frequently more hassle than they're worth and they attract expensive bodily injury claims. We stopped renewing all of ours a few months ago for exactly that reason, which means there is no longer any incentive to indulge them in their power trips.
Yessss
I need to see more of that show.
I actually like Squidbillies.
But that's largely because it pretty much takes place in my home town.
almost as bad as the whole ATHF advert shutting down chicago and getting people fired/having people step down to the point that the network lost all its sense of awesomeness.
the only place they are good are if one of your players is wanting to play a lightly-armored fast-attacking dodgy type of dude, in which case it's probably not fair to neglect the encumbrance penalties for Sir Armorplates
And at least here it's always a shock when you do things like that. I don't know if you guys got infected with the whole "The Customer is Always Right" nonsense but man it's a fucking issue here.
"RP" in city of heroes is the poops.
but with Architect, you can get a dude (me) to create adventures for you and your buddies, customized for you, with a storyline growing and going on, unique to you
also they made it so that you can turn off all the bullshit auras on most powers, particularely Regeneration, Willpower, Super-Reflexes, and Invulnerability
so if you were like "ugh this is annoying why does my invulnerable dude fucking glow and shit"
you can turn off that fool bullshit (you can also change the colors of all your powers now, and even some of the powers have alternate animations if you prefer)
The phenomenon is also severe at the level of restaurants
Those customers that raise the biggest stink are usually the most lower-economic end of the scale