The new forums will be named Coin Return (based on the most recent vote)! You can check on the status and timeline of the transition to the new forums here.
The Guiding Principles and New Rules document is now in effect.
Exciting new thread to discuss the exciting new rules!
At fan suggestion we're gonna do a feature we haven't seen in a while. I think a couple years back we conducted an informal survey here where we asked if anything could be improved or anyone saw anything they generally didn't like and it mostly came back really positive which is cool for us but boring as all fuck.
SO.
Today I got a PM from someone upset that my other thread said AMUSE and not ABUSE because they had a great one stored up.
Since I aim to please, this thread is thereby open in that spirit. ABUSE US. Or not. I don't care. But anyone who posts abuse in the wrong thread gets a "too dumb to post here" infraction.
So let's have it guys.
IT'S GOT ME REACHING IN MY POCKET IT'S GOT ME FORKING OVER CASH
CUZ THERE'S SOMETHING IN THE MIDDLE AND IT'S GIVING ME A RASH
Things are pretty good. Can we have a condensation of the announcements and sticky section? Maybe have a drop down menu or expandable bar with all the stickies in them. It's wasting .00002 seconds of time to scroll past them.
Might want to let me know the safe word before I get started.
Just in case.
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Crack down on dudes and dudettes who feel the need to disagree with common wisdom just to seem different. This isn't D&D, g darn.
One time I PMed Jeffe and requested a temporary ban to prevent me from being distracted during a busy time in my life and never received a response. I now live in a cardboard box underwater.
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admanbunionize your workplaceSeattle, WARegistered Userregular
Crack down on dudes and dudettes who feel the need to disagree with common wisdom just to seem different. This isn't D&D, g darn.
One time I PMed Jeffe and requested a temporary ban to prevent me from being distracted during a busy time in my life and never received a response. I now live in a cardboard box underwater.
Crack down on dudes and dudettes who feel the need to disagree with common wisdom just to seem different. This isn't D&D, g darn.
One time I PMed Jeffe and requested a temporary ban to prevent me from being distracted during a busy time in my life and never received a response. I now live in a cardboard box underwater.
How do you avoid drowning?
Very high quality cardboard.
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Raneadospolice apologistyou shouldn't have been there, obviouslyRegistered Userregular
edited August 2010
i think people giving objectively bad advice need harsher namecalling
i think people giving objectively bad advice need harsher namecalling
Harsher then "Silly Goose"?
You're just being a silly goose now, Rane. A silly, silly goose.
mods can use other names! it's right there
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EshTending bar. FFXIV. Motorcycles.Portland, ORRegistered Userregular
edited August 2010
I think "alt threads" should be cracked down on. They're getting abused like crazy just because someone thinks their grandmother might find out who they are.
Oh, and a "Things Do In Portland/Seattle" sticky might be nice. I swear there's one of these threads every week.
Oh, and a "Things Do In Portland/Seattle" sticky might be nice. I swear there's one of these threads every week.
Maybe we could have a sticky that links back to the best "Things To Do In [x]" threads? It really does seem like an England/Europe/Australia/Seattle/NY thread pops up every week or so.
I've been jailed for probably over a month now for a joke in a TF2 thread. It would of been nice to have a clear view of how long this is going to be kept up instead of PMing two mods and being told to PM the other one because that mod couldn't do anything about it.
You got an infraction for posting to blue dot a thread in the MMO forum, by A duck!. I can't see how that's relevant here but because I spoil you people I'll tell you that infraction points take 60 days to expire. You were infracted on July 19. You have about four more weeks of unreasonable duress. I pray that you survive.
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EshTending bar. FFXIV. Motorcycles.Portland, ORRegistered Userregular
Oh, and a "Things Do In Portland/Seattle" sticky might be nice. I swear there's one of these threads every week.
Maybe we could have a sticky that links back to the best "Things To Do In [x]" threads? It really does seem like an England/Europe/Australia/Seattle/NY thread pops up every week or so.
I suggested this before but basically got told "have some self control" but since it seems several people have been asking mods to do it, can we just get a 'self-ban' feature?
Call it Vacation Mode or whatever you want, it'd just help keep people from harassing mods for tempbans during finals and whatnot.
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EshTending bar. FFXIV. Motorcycles.Portland, ORRegistered Userregular
can we make it a rule about people suggesting things other then what the poster wanted?
"Hey i know you wanted some help finding shorts, but have you ever thought about getting a parka instead?"
I don't think that's a good idea. There have been plenty of times when people have suggested things that the OP had no idea about and benefited from. Now, if something is completely off base, then maybe, but it seems like something that could get abused pretty easily....
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The_Glad_HatterOne Sly FoxUnderneath a Groovy HatRegistered Userregular
Maybe we could have a sticky that links back to the best "Things To Do In [x]" threads? It really does seem like an England/Europe/Australia/Seattle/NY thread pops up every week or so.
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this.
Also, I kinda miss the interweb suggestions i got in linksville, but i guess those days are over?
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ceresWhen the last moon is cast over the last star of morningAnd the future has past without even a last desperate warningRegistered User, ModeratorMod Emeritus
edited August 2010
Alt threads are allowed for a reason. It doesn't matter if people are worried their girlfriend might see, or if they're posting about their foot-lust and think they might want to run for President someday, or they're just worried about their silly forum reputation. Alts are allowed (in this forum only, unless that's changed recently) for the small sense of security the feeling of anonymity lends the OP, who otherwise might not feel comfortable posting when they have a problem. If you think it's a troll, report the thread. The mods can tell who it is and whether they're a serial troll, and if that's the case they'll take care of it. This is one of the few things that I will defend to the forum death because I feel it's important to H/A's utility.
Sometimes people come into H/A "wanting" consolation, but they did something they shouldn't have so they aren't going to get it. Sometimes they want an item that is of poor quality, and people suggest something better, or something different entirely that will serve a similar purpose in the end. You don't want to dictate that sort of thing in a rule.
Also mods can't do much about forum functionality.
ceres on
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Crack down on dudes and dudettes who feel the need to disagree with common wisdom just to seem different. This isn't D&D, g darn.
One time I PMed Jeffe and requested a temporary ban to prevent me from being distracted during a busy time in my life and never received a response. I now live in a cardboard box underwater.
Can we crack down on people accusing others of trolling for having a different opinion then them. I know we all like to think we're infallible but people are allowed to have a different opinion on how a situation should be handled.
Crack down on dudes and dudettes who feel the need to disagree with common wisdom just to seem different. This isn't D&D, g darn.
One time I PMed Jeffe and requested a temporary ban to prevent me from being distracted during a busy time in my life and never received a response. I now live in a cardboard box underwater.
Can we crack down on people accusing others of trolling for having a different opinion then them. I know we all like to think we're infallible but people are allowed to have a different opinion on how a situation should be handled.
On that note can we crack down on people arguing in H&A in general? Some people act like theirs is the only advice out there for any situation and instead of just accepting or presenting a different point of view, want to argue about it.
I suggested this before but basically got told "have some self control" but since it seems several people have been asking mods to do it, can we just get a 'self-ban' feature?
Call it Vacation Mode or whatever you want, it'd just help keep people from harassing mods for tempbans during finals and whatnot.
Works for me, as long as there's an understanding that if you're a dumbass and accidentally ban yourself we ain't fixing it.
Can mods also get the ability to turn every button into a stealth self-ban button for people who annoy us?
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I submitted an entry to Lego Ideas, and if 10,000 people support me, it'll be turned into an actual Lego set!If you'd like to see and support my submission, follow this link.
more like couldn't PLEASEHER with a map and a compass
Dude, I was only joking when I said I fucked yer mom. I don't actually date women so big that you can get lost when you're travelling through the bush.
Pheezer on
IT'S GOT ME REACHING IN MY POCKET IT'S GOT ME FORKING OVER CASH
CUZ THERE'S SOMETHING IN THE MIDDLE AND IT'S GIVING ME A RASH
more like couldn't PLEASEHER with a map and a compass
Dude, I was only joking when I said I fucked yer mom. I don't actually date women so big that you can get lost when you're travelling through the bush.
Is it true that the southern sector of her snatch is actually a topiary garden?
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I submitted an entry to Lego Ideas, and if 10,000 people support me, it'll be turned into an actual Lego set!If you'd like to see and support my submission, follow this link.
Alt threads are allowed for a reason. It doesn't matter if people are worried their girlfriend might see, or if they're posting about their foot-lust and think they might want to run for President someday, or they're just worried about their silly forum reputation. Alts are allowed (in this forum only, unless that's changed recently) for the small sense of security the feeling of anonymity lends the OP, who otherwise might not feel comfortable posting when they have a problem. If you think it's a troll, report the thread. The mods can tell who it is and whether they're a serial troll, and if that's the case they'll take care of it. This is one of the few things that I will defend to the forum death because I feel it's important to H/A's utility.
Sometimes people come into H/A "wanting" consolation, but they did something they shouldn't have so they aren't going to get it. Sometimes they want an item that is of poor quality, and people suggest something better, or something different entirely that will serve a similar purpose in the end. You don't want to dictate that sort of thing in a rule.
Also mods can't do much about forum functionality.
Yeah, but people are getting WAY out of hand with them.
As if a pseudonym on a message board isn't enough, they need to create an alt on top of that? And yes, I know that some people's pseudonyms are known by they significant others, but if that's the case, maybe they shouldn't be posting what they consider to be touchy subjects here? Anyone who would know the poster would recognize the situation and coupled with the fact that that person is using an alt would rather quickly put two and two together.
I know you're sympathetic with these people, but it's a feature that's gotten abused.
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EshTending bar. FFXIV. Motorcycles.Portland, ORRegistered Userregular
Crack down on dudes and dudettes who feel the need to disagree with common wisdom just to seem different. This isn't D&D, g darn.
One time I PMed Jeffe and requested a temporary ban to prevent me from being distracted during a busy time in my life and never received a response. I now live in a cardboard box underwater.
Can we crack down on people accusing others of trolling for having a different opinion then them. I know we all like to think we're infallible but people are allowed to have a different opinion on how a situation should be handled.
On that note can we crack down on people arguing in H&A in general? Some people act like theirs is the only advice out there for any situation and instead of just accepting or presenting a different point of view, want to argue about it.
There's arguing and there's disagreeing. People are allowed to have conflicting opinions on a subject and express that. Again, it's a really slippery slope if you decide to disallow "arguing".
I don't think it's a problem that people post anonymously. At all. Like, why does it matter who they normally are? What do you gain by that knowledge, or what injury is done by not knowing who the actual user behind the curtain is?
As for disagreements getting out of hand, that's what the reporting system is there for. If you don't care for the way a particular argument is being conducted, report it instead of wading into it. Your reports are read, usually very quickly, and almost always acted on. Which is more of a testament to the quality of the reports we DO get, but if it's not being reported, and it's something more nuanced such as an argument that's beginning to get heated/running too long, you're hoping that every post in every thread is being read and that notes are being kept on the progress of it all.
And the solution is not to outlaw all conversation or debate.
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ceresWhen the last moon is cast over the last star of morningAnd the future has past without even a last desperate warningRegistered User, ModeratorMod Emeritus
And yes, I know that some people's pseudonyms are known by they significant others, but if that's the case, maybe they shouldn't be posting what they consider to be touchy subjects here?
The entire point is not to discourage people asking for help when they feel they need it, or feel that someone in H/A might be able to give them some perspective. Some people don't feel they need alts and that's fine, but not everybody's parents, relatives, significant others, or bosses are completely unable to use google. For those people, an alt is a good way to get advice from people they already feel they can trust about things that are important to them.
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JohnnyCacheStarting DefensePlace at the tableRegistered Userregular
Alt threads are allowed for a reason. It doesn't matter if people are worried their girlfriend might see, or if they're posting about their foot-lust and think they might want to run for President someday, or they're just worried about their silly forum reputation. Alts are allowed (in this forum only, unless that's changed recently) for the small sense of security the feeling of anonymity lends the OP, who otherwise might not feel comfortable posting when they have a problem. If you think it's a troll, report the thread. The mods can tell who it is and whether they're a serial troll, and if that's the case they'll take care of it. This is one of the few things that I will defend to the forum death because I feel it's important to H/A's utility.
Sometimes people come into H/A "wanting" consolation, but they did something they shouldn't have so they aren't going to get it. Sometimes they want an item that is of poor quality, and people suggest something better, or something different entirely that will serve a similar purpose in the end. You don't want to dictate that sort of thing in a rule.
Also mods can't do much about forum functionality.
Yeah, but people are getting WAY out of hand with them.
As if a pseudonym on a message board isn't enough, they need to create an alt on top of that? And yes, I know that some people's pseudonyms are known by they significant others, but if that's the case, maybe they shouldn't be posting what they consider to be touchy subjects here? Anyone who would know the poster would recognize the situation and coupled with the fact that that person is using an alt would rather quickly put two and two together.
I know you're sympathetic with these people, but it's a feature that's gotten abused.
who cares? The only reason I can imagine for not wanting alts in h/a is you want to vary your response based on outside info about the poster. who cares if EVERY poster in h/a is anon? What does it cost you?
mods can reslove the alts on most forums so its not as if the alt can be used for pernicious dickitry or anything.
and the forum is FOR touchy subjects, ffs.
You say "abuse" when you seem to mean "used with a frequency I find unneeded"
Alt threads are allowed for a reason. It doesn't matter if people are worried their girlfriend might see, or if they're posting about their foot-lust and think they might want to run for President someday, or they're just worried about their silly forum reputation. Alts are allowed (in this forum only, unless that's changed recently) for the small sense of security the feeling of anonymity lends the OP, who otherwise might not feel comfortable posting when they have a problem. If you think it's a troll, report the thread. The mods can tell who it is and whether they're a serial troll, and if that's the case they'll take care of it. This is one of the few things that I will defend to the forum death because I feel it's important to H/A's utility.
Sometimes people come into H/A "wanting" consolation, but they did something they shouldn't have so they aren't going to get it. Sometimes they want an item that is of poor quality, and people suggest something better, or something different entirely that will serve a similar purpose in the end. You don't want to dictate that sort of thing in a rule.
Also mods can't do much about forum functionality.
Yeah, but people are getting WAY out of hand with them.
As if a pseudonym on a message board isn't enough, they need to create an alt on top of that? And yes, I know that some people's pseudonyms are known by they significant others, but if that's the case, maybe they shouldn't be posting what they consider to be touchy subjects here? Anyone who would know the poster would recognize the situation and coupled with the fact that that person is using an alt would rather quickly put two and two together.
I know you're sympathetic with these people, but it's a feature that's gotten abused.
who cares? The only reason I can imagine for not wanting alts in h/a is you want to vary your response based on outside info about the poster. who cares if EVERY poster in h/a is anon? What does it cost you?
mods can reslove the alts on most forums so its not as if the alt can be used for pernicious dickitry or anything.
and the forum is FOR touchy subjects, ffs.
You say "abuse" when you seem to mean "used with a frequency I find unneeded"
Hey, calm down there. I've just seen it abused a few times by people who shall not be named. It was a suggestion, not an out and out attack on anyone.
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JohnnyCacheStarting DefensePlace at the tableRegistered Userregular
edited August 2010
I am calm. Everyone who disagrees with you is not angry.
the fundamental question is "so what"
your response? People abused it. What people? "Some" people.
I don't feel the question "so what" has been remotely addressed.
If alts are cropping up more, wouldn't that indicate that more people are recognizing this as a place for good information/advice about touchy subjects? We could have 10 pages of alt threads and I'd take that a sign that something very right is happening rather than something wrong, as long as all 10 pages were made up of sincere questions.
Can those who disagree with it point out a few of the more notable recent offenses along this line? Like, cases of actual trolling that weren't dealt with quickly/efficiently by the reporting option?
Personally I'd say H&A polices itself pretty well, and don't recall many outright abuses of anonymous requests.
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EshTending bar. FFXIV. Motorcycles.Portland, ORRegistered Userregular
I am calm. Everyone who disagrees with you is not angry.
the fundamental question is "so what"
your response? People abused it. What people? "Some" people.
I don't feel the question "so what" has been remotely addressed.
I don't know, using "for fucks sake" and a lot of pretty aggressive language comes off as a little ticked.
I'm not naming names because that would violate this whole "alt system" that's in place. There was someone who was doing a lot of threads though with very contradictory information and who accidentally posted under their main.
EDIT: I never said anyone who disagreed was 'angry'. Look at Ceres' response for one that doesn't come off all half-cocked.
I'm not naming names because that would violate this whole "alt system" that's in place. There was someone who was doing a lot of threads though with very contradictory information and who accidentally posted under their main.
And you reported this to the mods, right? Is this person still doing this? Was the mod response not significant enough for your liking?
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First they came for the Muslims, and we said NOT TODAY, MOTHERFUCKER!
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Or something. I dunno. I've gotten a decent number of infractions here (i.e. basically all of my infractions) and they were all deserved.
pheezer? more like wheezer, knock off the cigarettes, old man oxygen tank
oh hellow fatatos
hey pheezer, your mom's a real classy lady
Just in case.
One time I PMed Jeffe and requested a temporary ban to prevent me from being distracted during a busy time in my life and never received a response. I now live in a cardboard box underwater.
How do you avoid drowning?
As it is it would terrify me to ask what the problem with my tail pipe is.
Very high quality cardboard.
Harsher then "Silly Goose"?
You're just being a silly goose now, Rane. A silly, silly goose.
The only abuse I could ever condone is watching gymkata-- All the way through.
mods can use other names! it's right there
Oh, and a "Things Do In Portland/Seattle" sticky might be nice. I swear there's one of these threads every week.
Elki gave me a temporary ban on my request during finals last December. I didn't flunk out of school, so I guess that's good.
Maybe we could have a sticky that links back to the best "Things To Do In [x]" threads? It really does seem like an England/Europe/Australia/Seattle/NY thread pops up every week or so.
CUZ THERE'S SOMETHING IN THE MIDDLE AND IT'S GIVING ME A RASH
"Hey i know you wanted some help finding shorts, but have you ever thought about getting a parka instead?"
Call it Vacation Mode or whatever you want, it'd just help keep people from harassing mods for tempbans during finals and whatnot.
I don't think that's a good idea. There have been plenty of times when people have suggested things that the OP had no idea about and benefited from. Now, if something is completely off base, then maybe, but it seems like something that could get abused pretty easily....
this.
Also, I kinda miss the interweb suggestions i got in linksville, but i guess those days are over?
Sometimes people come into H/A "wanting" consolation, but they did something they shouldn't have so they aren't going to get it. Sometimes they want an item that is of poor quality, and people suggest something better, or something different entirely that will serve a similar purpose in the end. You don't want to dictate that sort of thing in a rule.
Also mods can't do much about forum functionality.
Can we crack down on people accusing others of trolling for having a different opinion then them. I know we all like to think we're infallible but people are allowed to have a different opinion on how a situation should be handled.
On that note can we crack down on people arguing in H&A in general? Some people act like theirs is the only advice out there for any situation and instead of just accepting or presenting a different point of view, want to argue about it.
pheezer?
more like couldn't PLEASEHER with a map and a compass
Works for me, as long as there's an understanding that if you're a dumbass and accidentally ban yourself we ain't fixing it.
Can mods also get the ability to turn every button into a stealth self-ban button for people who annoy us?
Dude, I was only joking when I said I fucked yer mom. I don't actually date women so big that you can get lost when you're travelling through the bush.
CUZ THERE'S SOMETHING IN THE MIDDLE AND IT'S GIVING ME A RASH
Is it true that the southern sector of her snatch is actually a topiary garden?
CUZ THERE'S SOMETHING IN THE MIDDLE AND IT'S GIVING ME A RASH
Yeah, but people are getting WAY out of hand with them.
As if a pseudonym on a message board isn't enough, they need to create an alt on top of that? And yes, I know that some people's pseudonyms are known by they significant others, but if that's the case, maybe they shouldn't be posting what they consider to be touchy subjects here? Anyone who would know the poster would recognize the situation and coupled with the fact that that person is using an alt would rather quickly put two and two together.
I know you're sympathetic with these people, but it's a feature that's gotten abused.
There's arguing and there's disagreeing. People are allowed to have conflicting opinions on a subject and express that. Again, it's a really slippery slope if you decide to disallow "arguing".
As for disagreements getting out of hand, that's what the reporting system is there for. If you don't care for the way a particular argument is being conducted, report it instead of wading into it. Your reports are read, usually very quickly, and almost always acted on. Which is more of a testament to the quality of the reports we DO get, but if it's not being reported, and it's something more nuanced such as an argument that's beginning to get heated/running too long, you're hoping that every post in every thread is being read and that notes are being kept on the progress of it all.
And the solution is not to outlaw all conversation or debate.
CUZ THERE'S SOMETHING IN THE MIDDLE AND IT'S GIVING ME A RASH
who cares? The only reason I can imagine for not wanting alts in h/a is you want to vary your response based on outside info about the poster. who cares if EVERY poster in h/a is anon? What does it cost you?
mods can reslove the alts on most forums so its not as if the alt can be used for pernicious dickitry or anything.
and the forum is FOR touchy subjects, ffs.
You say "abuse" when you seem to mean "used with a frequency I find unneeded"
I host a podcast about movies.
Hey, calm down there. I've just seen it abused a few times by people who shall not be named. It was a suggestion, not an out and out attack on anyone.
the fundamental question is "so what"
your response? People abused it. What people? "Some" people.
I don't feel the question "so what" has been remotely addressed.
I host a podcast about movies.
Can those who disagree with it point out a few of the more notable recent offenses along this line? Like, cases of actual trolling that weren't dealt with quickly/efficiently by the reporting option?
Personally I'd say H&A polices itself pretty well, and don't recall many outright abuses of anonymous requests.
I don't know, using "for fucks sake" and a lot of pretty aggressive language comes off as a little ticked.
I'm not naming names because that would violate this whole "alt system" that's in place. There was someone who was doing a lot of threads though with very contradictory information and who accidentally posted under their main.
EDIT: I never said anyone who disagreed was 'angry'. Look at Ceres' response for one that doesn't come off all half-cocked.
Anyway, enough derailing.
I think we should have more pizza parties.
And you reported this to the mods, right? Is this person still doing this? Was the mod response not significant enough for your liking?