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    Styrofoam SammichStyrofoam Sammich WANT. normal (not weird)Registered User regular
    edited September 2010
    The stones and trees will say O Muslims, O Abdulla, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him[/B]. Only the Gharkad tree, would not do that because it is one of the trees of the Jews."

    Am I a bad person for finding this passage funny?

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    DarkCrawlerDarkCrawler Registered User regular
    edited September 2010
    Honestly, there are very things as hilarious as oldtestamenty speech.

    "And so the [] spoke, and it said "Hear me, for I am [] and I have come to [] and this is the will of the Lord." And so []'s sons were cursed, and their sons were cursed for fifty generations, for the Lord was [] and []."

    same thing applies to the Koran.

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    PasserbyePasserbye I am much older than you. in Beach CityRegistered User regular
    edited September 2010
    Perhaps somewhat tangentially related, but I hadn't seen this article shared.

    Koran burner Derek Fenton booted from his job at NJ Transit
    The protester who burned pages from the Koran outside a planned mosque near Ground Zero has been fired from NJTransit, sources and authorities said Tuesday.

    Derek Fenton's 11-year career at the agency came to an abrupt halt Monday after photographs of him ripping pages from the Muslim holy book and setting them ablaze appeared in newspapers.

    Fenton, 39, of Bloomingdale, N.J., burned the book during a protest on the ninth anniversary of Sept. 11 outside Park51, the controversial mosque slated to be built near Ground Zero.

    He was apparently inspired by Pastor Terry Jones, the Florida clergyman who threatened to burn the Koran that day but later changed his mind.

    NJ Transit said Fenton was fired but wouldn't give specifics.

    "Mr. Fenton's public actions violated New Jersey Transit's code of ethics," an agency statement said.

    "NJ Transit concluded that Mr. Fenton violated his trust as a state employee and therefore [he] was dismissed."

    Fenton was ushered from the protests by police on Saturday and questioned, but he was released without charges.

    "He said, 'This is America,' and he wanted to stand up for it, in a Tea Party kind of way," a police source said.

    Another police source said Fenton described himself as a "loyal American" exercising his "right to protest."

    But the source said Fenton looked like he was having second thoughts as he was released.

    "He looked nervous, like he was starting to think it wasn't such a good idea," the police source said.

    Described by neighbors as a likable family guy with two children, Fenton was an assistant train-consist coordinator, sources said - a job that entails ensuring there are enough train cars positioned to be put into service. He previously worked as an NJ Transit conductor.

    Several neighbors in Fenton's town stood up for his right to express himself with flames.

    "Good for him for burning the Koran," neighbor Jacqui Marquez, 40, said.

    "Everybody's entitled to their opinion ... by firing him, they're sending a message that there's no freedom of speech. They're completely wrong for doing this."

    "He's a family man," neighbor Randy McConnell, 43, said.

    "He loves his kids and he loves trains. I don't agree with what he did, but he shouldn't lose his job over it. That's his right."

    If Fenton was fired for burning the Koran while off-duty, his First Amendment rights probably were violated, Chris Dunn of the New York Civil Liberties Union said.

    "The Supreme Court has recognized a constitutional right to burn the flag. As reprehensible as it may be, burning the Koran would be protected as well."

    You can also find an open debate about it here.

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    Styrofoam SammichStyrofoam Sammich WANT. normal (not weird)Registered User regular
    edited September 2010
    Passerbye wrote: »
    Perhaps somewhat tangentially related, but I hadn't seen this article shared.

    Koran burner Derek Fenton booted from his job at NJ Transit
    The protester who burned pages from the Koran outside a planned mosque near Ground Zero has been fired from NJTransit, sources and authorities said Tuesday.

    Derek Fenton's 11-year career at the agency came to an abrupt halt Monday after photographs of him ripping pages from the Muslim holy book and setting them ablaze appeared in newspapers.

    Fenton, 39, of Bloomingdale, N.J., burned the book during a protest on the ninth anniversary of Sept. 11 outside Park51, the controversial mosque slated to be built near Ground Zero.

    He was apparently inspired by Pastor Terry Jones, the Florida clergyman who threatened to burn the Koran that day but later changed his mind.

    NJ Transit said Fenton was fired but wouldn't give specifics.

    "Mr. Fenton's public actions violated New Jersey Transit's code of ethics," an agency statement said.

    "NJ Transit concluded that Mr. Fenton violated his trust as a state employee and therefore [he] was dismissed."

    Fenton was ushered from the protests by police on Saturday and questioned, but he was released without charges.

    "He said, 'This is America,' and he wanted to stand up for it, in a Tea Party kind of way," a police source said.

    Another police source said Fenton described himself as a "loyal American" exercising his "right to protest."

    But the source said Fenton looked like he was having second thoughts as he was released.

    "He looked nervous, like he was starting to think it wasn't such a good idea," the police source said.

    Described by neighbors as a likable family guy with two children, Fenton was an assistant train-consist coordinator, sources said - a job that entails ensuring there are enough train cars positioned to be put into service. He previously worked as an NJ Transit conductor.

    Several neighbors in Fenton's town stood up for his right to express himself with flames.

    "Good for him for burning the Koran," neighbor Jacqui Marquez, 40, said.

    "Everybody's entitled to their opinion ... by firing him, they're sending a message that there's no freedom of speech. They're completely wrong for doing this."

    "He's a family man," neighbor Randy McConnell, 43, said.

    "He loves his kids and he loves trains. I don't agree with what he did, but he shouldn't lose his job over it. That's his right."

    If Fenton was fired for burning the Koran while off-duty, his First Amendment rights probably were violated, Chris Dunn of the New York Civil Liberties Union said.

    "The Supreme Court has recognized a constitutional right to burn the flag. As reprehensible as it may be, burning the Koran would be protected as well."

    You can also find an open debate about it here.

    Fenton, he fuckin loved trains.

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    emnmnmeemnmnme Registered User regular
    edited September 2010
    He's still an asshole for burning the Koran pages but now his name's all over the internet. He's damaged goods, no other transit system in America will hire him, his eleven years of experience in a specialized field are possibly rendered worthless. Hell of a way to end a career.

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    Styrofoam SammichStyrofoam Sammich WANT. normal (not weird)Registered User regular
    edited September 2010
    emnmnme wrote: »
    He's still an asshole for burning the Koran pages but now his name's all over the internet. He's damaged goods, no other transit system in America will hire him, his eleven years of experience in a specialized field are possibly rendered worthless. Hell of a way to end a career.

    Its painful to defend him, but he probably shouldn't have been fired.

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    PasserbyePasserbye I am much older than you. in Beach CityRegistered User regular
    edited September 2010
    It might have been that the Transit Authority didn't want to deal with the shitstorm that keeping him on would have caused.

    Mind, I'm not sure he should have been fired either, but I'm trying to see both sides clearly. Unfortunately this report seems to be focused primarily on Fenton.

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    Styrofoam SammichStyrofoam Sammich WANT. normal (not weird)Registered User regular
    edited September 2010
    And for the record the next time NSTF spouts some wharblegarhble, here are liberals defending a koran burner who lost his job.

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    Captain CarrotCaptain Carrot Alexandria, VARegistered User regular
    edited September 2010
    Unless NJ Transit is government-run, nobody's freedom of speech could have been violated.
    And for the record the next time NSTF spouts some wharblegarhble, here are liberals defending a koran burner who lost his job.

    It's cute that you think he cares about evidence. He'll just handwave this away, just like the veterans supported by Daily Kos when he claimed that all progressives and all candidates they support are anti-military.

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    Loren MichaelLoren Michael Registered User regular
    edited September 2010
    Man, please.

    "Israel will exist and will continue to exist until Islam will obliterate it, just as it obliterated others before it."

    "The Islamic Resistance Movement believes that the land of Palestine is an Islamic Waqf consecrated for future Muslim generations until Judgement Day. It, or any part of it, should not be squandered: it, or any part of it, should not be given up. "

    "There is no solution for the Palestinian question except through Jihad. Initiatives, proposals and international conferences are all a waste of time and vain endeavors."

    "After Palestine, the Zionists aspire to expand from the Nile to the Euphrates. When they will have digested the region they overtook, they will aspire to further expansion, and so on. Their plan is embodied in the "Protocols of the Elders of Zion", and their present conduct is the best proof of what we are saying."

    "The Day of Judgement will not come about until Muslims fight the Jews (killing the Jews), when the Jew will hide behind stones and trees. The stones and trees will say O Muslims, O Abdulla, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him. Only the Gharkad tree, would not do that because it is one of the trees of the Jews."

    Destroying Israel isn't genocide. "Israel" in most Hamas/Iran context refers to the ideal of Zionism and a Jewish State. "Jihad" doesn't mean genocide. The last one is a religious quote that most versions don't even include, and it only refers to the conflict inside the Holy Land anyway. There is no actual "all Jews must die" quote inside the charter as an official policy.

    It's an anti-semitic document, obviously. It's very clearly an anti-Zionist document. It's not the same thing as a call for genocide. It does call for destruction of Israel and Zionism, but Hamas has met with Jewish sects like Neturei Karta and it's leaders at least attempt differentiate between Zionists and Jews.

    Hamas is awful enough without having to twist their documents to make them look like Hitler.

    That last quote is an explicit appeal to genocide. Nazism is useful because sometimes comparisons are actually valid. One of the historical problems with the "genocide" term is the unwillingness to call genocide what it is. Don't fall into that trap.

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    Styrofoam SammichStyrofoam Sammich WANT. normal (not weird)Registered User regular
    edited September 2010
    Unless NJ Transit is government-run, nobody's freedom of speech could have been violated.

    If he was off duty and not directly affiliating himself with the company there is no justification for the company to punish him.

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    EgoEgo Registered User regular
    edited September 2010
    emnmnme wrote: »
    He's still an asshole for burning the Koran pages but now his name's all over the internet. He's damaged goods, no other transit system in America will hire him, his eleven years of experience in a specialized field are possibly rendered worthless. Hell of a way to end a career.

    Its painful to defend him, but he probably shouldn't have been fired.

    I agree. Some people have been saying there's some loop-hole where state employees give up the rights to political protest, but I haven't been able to find any confirmation on that despite looking, so I'm inclined to think: completely made up.

    Ego on
    Erik
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    EgoEgo Registered User regular
    edited September 2010
    Man, please.

    "Israel will exist and will continue to exist until Islam will obliterate it, just as it obliterated others before it."

    "The Islamic Resistance Movement believes that the land of Palestine is an Islamic Waqf consecrated for future Muslim generations until Judgement Day. It, or any part of it, should not be squandered: it, or any part of it, should not be given up. "

    "There is no solution for the Palestinian question except through Jihad. Initiatives, proposals and international conferences are all a waste of time and vain endeavors."

    "After Palestine, the Zionists aspire to expand from the Nile to the Euphrates. When they will have digested the region they overtook, they will aspire to further expansion, and so on. Their plan is embodied in the "Protocols of the Elders of Zion", and their present conduct is the best proof of what we are saying."

    "The Day of Judgement will not come about until Muslims fight the Jews (killing the Jews), when the Jew will hide behind stones and trees. The stones and trees will say O Muslims, O Abdulla, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him. Only the Gharkad tree, would not do that because it is one of the trees of the Jews."

    Destroying Israel isn't genocide. "Israel" in most Hamas/Iran context refers to the ideal of Zionism and a Jewish State. "Jihad" doesn't mean genocide. The last one is a religious quote that most versions don't even include, and it only refers to the conflict inside the Holy Land anyway. There is no actual "all Jews must die" quote inside the charter as an official policy.

    It's an anti-semitic document, obviously. It's very clearly an anti-Zionist document. It's not the same thing as a call for genocide. It does call for destruction of Israel and Zionism, but Hamas has met with Jewish sects like Neturei Karta and it's leaders at least attempt differentiate between Zionists and Jews.

    Hamas is awful enough without having to twist their documents to make them look like Hitler.

    That last quote is an explicit appeal to genocide. Nazism is useful because sometimes comparisons are actually valid. One of the historical problems with the "genocide" term is the unwillingness to call genocide what it is. Don't fall into that trap.

    Man, if wanting 'the end days' is a call for genocide, we're all in lots of trouble because there are a shitload of people on THIS side of the ocean who want the exact same thing.

    considers trolling the 'rapture ready' forums

    Ego on
    Erik
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    HamHamJHamHamJ Registered User regular
    edited September 2010
    I might give a damn about this, is the right had any sort of credibility to complain about freedom of speech, limitations on corporate power, worker rights, etc. Which it doesn't.

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    Loren MichaelLoren Michael Registered User regular
    edited September 2010
    Passerbye wrote: »
    Perhaps somewhat tangentially related, but I hadn't seen this article shared.

    Koran burner Derek Fenton booted from his job at NJ Transit
    The protester who burned pages from the Koran outside a planned mosque near Ground Zero has been fired from NJTransit, sources and authorities said Tuesday.

    Derek Fenton's 11-year career at the agency came to an abrupt halt Monday after photographs of him ripping pages from the Muslim holy book and setting them ablaze appeared in newspapers.

    Fenton, 39, of Bloomingdale, N.J., burned the book during a protest on the ninth anniversary of Sept. 11 outside Park51, the controversial mosque slated to be built near Ground Zero.

    He was apparently inspired by Pastor Terry Jones, the Florida clergyman who threatened to burn the Koran that day but later changed his mind.

    NJ Transit said Fenton was fired but wouldn't give specifics.

    "Mr. Fenton's public actions violated New Jersey Transit's code of ethics," an agency statement said.

    "NJ Transit concluded that Mr. Fenton violated his trust as a state employee and therefore [he] was dismissed."

    Fenton was ushered from the protests by police on Saturday and questioned, but he was released without charges.

    "He said, 'This is America,' and he wanted to stand up for it, in a Tea Party kind of way," a police source said.

    Another police source said Fenton described himself as a "loyal American" exercising his "right to protest."

    But the source said Fenton looked like he was having second thoughts as he was released.

    "He looked nervous, like he was starting to think it wasn't such a good idea," the police source said.

    Described by neighbors as a likable family guy with two children, Fenton was an assistant train-consist coordinator, sources said - a job that entails ensuring there are enough train cars positioned to be put into service. He previously worked as an NJ Transit conductor.

    Several neighbors in Fenton's town stood up for his right to express himself with flames.

    "Good for him for burning the Koran," neighbor Jacqui Marquez, 40, said.

    "Everybody's entitled to their opinion ... by firing him, they're sending a message that there's no freedom of speech. They're completely wrong for doing this."

    "He's a family man," neighbor Randy McConnell, 43, said.

    "He loves his kids and he loves trains. I don't agree with what he did, but he shouldn't lose his job over it. That's his right."

    If Fenton was fired for burning the Koran while off-duty, his First Amendment rights probably were violated, Chris Dunn of the New York Civil Liberties Union said.

    "The Supreme Court has recognized a constitutional right to burn the flag. As reprehensible as it may be, burning the Koran would be protected as well."

    You can also find an open debate about it here.

    Fenton, he fuckin loved trains.

    That shit makes me want to burn a Koran myself. Fuckers.

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    Capt HowdyCapt Howdy Registered User regular
    edited September 2010
    Unless NJ Transit is government-run, nobody's freedom of speech could have been violated.

    If he was off duty and not directly affiliating himself with the company there is no justification for the company to punish him.[/QUOTE]

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    Loren MichaelLoren Michael Registered User regular
    edited September 2010
    HamHamJ wrote: »
    I might give a damn about this, is the right had any sort of credibility to complain about freedom of speech, limitations on corporate power, worker rights, etc. Which it doesn't.

    That guy isn't "the right", he's a guy who lost his job in one of the shittiest economies we've ever had.

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    Styrofoam SammichStyrofoam Sammich WANT. normal (not weird)Registered User regular
    edited September 2010

    Fenton, he fuckin loved trains.

    That shit makes me want to burn a Koran myself. Fuckers.

    Clearly the best response.

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    Styrofoam SammichStyrofoam Sammich WANT. normal (not weird)Registered User regular
    edited September 2010
    HamHamJ wrote: »
    I might give a damn about this, is the right had any sort of credibility to complain about freedom of speech, limitations on corporate power, worker rights, etc. Which it doesn't.

    That guy isn't "the right", he's a guy who lost his job in one of the shittiest economies we've ever had.

    Granted its hard to stand the right suddenly complaining about worker rights and such as Ham noted.

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    bowenbowen How you doin'? Registered User regular
    edited September 2010
    Unless NJ Transit is government-run, nobody's freedom of speech could have been violated.
    And for the record the next time NSTF spouts some wharblegarhble, here are liberals defending a koran burner who lost his job.

    It's cute that you think he cares about evidence. He'll just handwave this away, just like the veterans supported by Daily Kos when he claimed that all progressives and all candidates they support are anti-military.

    It's privately owned, though I don't know if firing someone for exercising their first amendment rights is protected. Even in an at will state, if you fire someone for that you're pretty much opening yourself to all the legal shit storm that follows.

    I mean if he can't get a job because of it now? Someone should go bankrupt, die, be homeless because they wanted to exercise civil rights? I personally don't agree with what he did, but I agree with his right to do it. And that should supersede an employer's right to keep you on their payroll or not.

    IMO, there should be laws protecting your life outside of your job, especially things that curtail to civil liberties like the right to protest. Regardless of what he was protesting, no matter how stupid it was. I mean it's not like all those people at the Glenn Beck march got fire for being stupid fucks, did they?

    If he wasn't on duty, then, fuck off NJT.

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    Loren MichaelLoren Michael Registered User regular
    edited September 2010

    Fenton, he fuckin loved trains.

    That shit makes me want to burn a Koran myself. Fuckers.

    Clearly the best response.

    I think it might be. I'm a fan of the "I'm Spartacus" response.

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    AtomikaAtomika Live fast and get fucked or whatever Registered User regular
    edited September 2010
    That last quote is an explicit appeal to genocide. Nazism is useful because sometimes comparisons are actually valid. One of the historical problems with the "genocide" term is the unwillingness to call genocide what it is. Don't fall into that trap.

    Right. DarkCrawler's defense is tantamount to saying, "See? It's not genocide! Hamas just wants to kill all the Jews in Israel, not those anywhere else."


    I can't even make a Godwin here, as no metaphor is necessary. This is *literally* what Hitler did, and did to the same people, just for different reasons.

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    Loren MichaelLoren Michael Registered User regular
    edited September 2010
    HamHamJ wrote: »
    I might give a damn about this, is the right had any sort of credibility to complain about freedom of speech, limitations on corporate power, worker rights, etc. Which it doesn't.

    That guy isn't "the right", he's a guy who lost his job in one of the shittiest economies we've ever had.

    Granted its hard to stand the right suddenly complaining about worker rights and such as Ham noted.

    Why not just accept that as a minor victory, rather than betray your own principles to fuck over a little guy like that merely as a way to tweak the other guys?

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    Styrofoam SammichStyrofoam Sammich WANT. normal (not weird)Registered User regular
    edited September 2010

    Fenton, he fuckin loved trains.

    That shit makes me want to burn a Koran myself. Fuckers.

    Clearly the best response.

    I think it might be. I'm a fan of the "I'm Spartacus" response.

    Yes because burning a Koran in response to someone being fired for burning a Koran and acting like an idiot in general is totally the spot-on response.

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    emnmnmeemnmnme Registered User regular
    edited September 2010

    Fenton, he fuckin loved trains.

    That shit makes me want to burn a Koran myself. Fuckers.

    Clearly the best response.

    I think it might be. I'm a fan of the "I'm Spartacus" response.

    Weren't they ALL crucified in the end?

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    Styrofoam SammichStyrofoam Sammich WANT. normal (not weird)Registered User regular
    edited September 2010
    HamHamJ wrote: »
    I might give a damn about this, is the right had any sort of credibility to complain about freedom of speech, limitations on corporate power, worker rights, etc. Which it doesn't.

    That guy isn't "the right", he's a guy who lost his job in one of the shittiest economies we've ever had.

    Granted its hard to stand the right suddenly complaining about worker rights and such as Ham noted.

    Why not just accept that as a minor victory, rather than betray your own principles to fuck over a little guy like that merely as a way to tweak the other guys?

    Umm I've already said I support this guy's right to be a douchebag.

    And its not a victory when they're just using it for political gain.

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    Loren MichaelLoren Michael Registered User regular
    edited September 2010
    That last quote is an explicit appeal to genocide. Nazism is useful because sometimes comparisons are actually valid. One of the historical problems with the "genocide" term is the unwillingness to call genocide what it is. Don't fall into that trap.

    Right. DarkCrawler's defense is tantamount to saying, "See? It's not genocide! Hamas just wants to kill all the Jews in Israel, not those anywhere else."

    Of course, killing all the Jews in Israel is still genocide. You don't need to go after the entire population for something to be genocide. Hell, you don't even have to go after the entire population in a given area for something to be genocide.

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    Loren MichaelLoren Michael Registered User regular
    edited September 2010
    emnmnme wrote: »

    Fenton, he fuckin loved trains.

    That shit makes me want to burn a Koran myself. Fuckers.

    Clearly the best response.

    I think it might be. I'm a fan of the "I'm Spartacus" response.

    Weren't they ALL crucified in the end?

    I never watched the movie. >.>

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    emnmnmeemnmnme Registered User regular
    edited September 2010
    You're dead to me, Loren!

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    Loren MichaelLoren Michael Registered User regular
    edited September 2010

    Fenton, he fuckin loved trains.

    That shit makes me want to burn a Koran myself. Fuckers.

    Clearly the best response.

    I think it might be. I'm a fan of the "I'm Spartacus" response.

    Yes because burning a Koran in response to someone being fired for burning a Koran and acting like an idiot in general is totally the spot-on response.

    I'm not sure where you're getting the "idiot" bit from. I think you're making some weird assumptions.

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    Styrofoam SammichStyrofoam Sammich WANT. normal (not weird)Registered User regular
    edited September 2010

    Fenton, he fuckin loved trains.

    That shit makes me want to burn a Koran myself. Fuckers.

    Clearly the best response.

    I think it might be. I'm a fan of the "I'm Spartacus" response.

    Yes because burning a Koran in response to someone being fired for burning a Koran and acting like an idiot in general is totally the spot-on response.

    I'm not sure where you're getting the "idiot" bit from. I think you're making some weird assumptions.

    I am making an assumption that anyone burning a koran in front of the Park51 community center is an idiot, yes.

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    MrMisterMrMister Jesus dying on the cross in pain? Morally better than us. One has to go "all in".Registered User regular
    edited September 2010
    Type: Government-owned
    On the web: http://www.njtransit.com

    Government-owned New Jersey Transit (NJ Transit) provides bus, rail, and light rail passenger transportation services.

    Which indicates that it was almost certainly illegal to fire the guy.

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    bowenbowen How you doin'? Registered User regular
    edited September 2010
    MrMister wrote: »
    Type: Government-owned
    On the web: http://www.njtransit.com

    Government-owned New Jersey Transit (NJ Transit) provides bus, rail, and light rail passenger transportation services.

    Which indicates that it was almost certainly illegal to fire the guy.

    I will smile when he walks away with millions because fuck them.

    I will then frown because he's an asshole and protesting for intolerance.

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    AtomikaAtomika Live fast and get fucked or whatever Registered User regular
    edited September 2010
    bowen wrote: »
    MrMister wrote: »
    Type: Government-owned
    On the web: http://www.njtransit.com

    Government-owned New Jersey Transit (NJ Transit) provides bus, rail, and light rail passenger transportation services.

    Which indicates that it was almost certainly illegal to fire the guy.

    I will smile when he walks away with millions because fuck them.

    I will then frown because he's an asshole and protesting for intolerance.

    It's like the minute anyone gets involved with this issue they become immediately retarded.

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    emnmnmeemnmnme Registered User regular
    edited September 2010
    MrMister wrote: »
    Type: Government-owned
    On the web: http://www.njtransit.com

    Government-owned New Jersey Transit (NJ Transit) provides bus, rail, and light rail passenger transportation services.

    Which indicates that it was almost certainly illegal to fire the guy.

    How do these illegal firing cases with lots of media exposure usually work out? He sues New Jersey, accepts a settlement worth $10 million bucks, justice is served?

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    Styrofoam SammichStyrofoam Sammich WANT. normal (not weird)Registered User regular
    edited September 2010
    bowen wrote: »
    MrMister wrote: »
    Type: Government-owned
    On the web: http://www.njtransit.com

    Government-owned New Jersey Transit (NJ Transit) provides bus, rail, and light rail passenger transportation services.

    Which indicates that it was almost certainly illegal to fire the guy.

    I will smile when he walks away with millions because fuck them.

    I will then frown because he's an asshole and protesting for intolerance.

    yeah that sucks.

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    bowenbowen How you doin'? Registered User regular
    edited September 2010
    bowen wrote: »
    MrMister wrote: »
    Type: Government-owned
    On the web: http://www.njtransit.com

    Government-owned New Jersey Transit (NJ Transit) provides bus, rail, and light rail passenger transportation services.

    Which indicates that it was almost certainly illegal to fire the guy.

    I will smile when he walks away with millions because fuck them.

    I will then frown because he's an asshole and protesting for intolerance.

    It's like the minute anyone gets involved with this issue they become immediately retarded.

    Hmm, how so?

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    AtomikaAtomika Live fast and get fucked or whatever Registered User regular
    edited September 2010
    bowen wrote: »
    bowen wrote: »
    MrMister wrote: »
    Type: Government-owned
    On the web: http://www.njtransit.com

    Government-owned New Jersey Transit (NJ Transit) provides bus, rail, and light rail passenger transportation services.

    Which indicates that it was almost certainly illegal to fire the guy.

    I will smile when he walks away with millions because fuck them.

    I will then frown because he's an asshole and protesting for intolerance.

    It's like the minute anyone gets involved with this issue they become immediately retarded.

    Hmm, how so?

    Well, first of all, expressing your 1st Amendment rights in the name of hate-speech is retarded.

    Then, the media's coverage of this event (given its size) is even more retarded.

    Then, Muslims in the Middle East getting riled up enough to murder people is even more MORE retarded.

    And now a government entity has fired a guy for a similar act done on his own free time, which is less retarded than murder, but still pretty retarded.


    It's a retarded snowball, picking up speed as it rockets down the steep slopes of Retard Hill.

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    bowenbowen How you doin'? Registered User regular
    edited September 2010
    :^: I feel horrible for laughing at that, but, well done.

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    DarkCrawlerDarkCrawler Registered User regular
    edited September 2010
    That last quote is an explicit appeal to genocide. Nazism is useful because sometimes comparisons are actually valid. One of the historical problems with the "genocide" term is the unwillingness to call genocide what it is. Don't fall into that trap.

    Right. DarkCrawler's defense is tantamount to saying, "See? It's not genocide! Hamas just wants to kill all the Jews in Israel, not those anywhere else."


    I can't even make a Godwin here, as no metaphor is necessary. This is *literally* what Hitler did, and did to the same people, just for different reasons.

    I'm "defending" it because this sort of dumb "Wharblagh Hamas is literally Hitler" bullshit is just the problem with discourse about Islam or the groups affliated with it. Not to mention one of the main obstacles in the way of Mid-East peace.

    You find one thing that supports your viewpoint and grasp to it, ignoring all the evidence to the contrary. In this case, that one thing is an ancient religious snippet, referring to the apocalypse, in a text dozens of pages long. Said snippet isn't even an official charter article or an guideline. The evidence to the contrary is Hamas's statements that emphasise the fact that their efforts are directed towards Zionists and the State of Israel, not the Jewish race, and their meetings with anti-Zionist Jewish groups.

    Somehow that one snippet is greater in your mind then the overwhelming amount of evidence to the contrary. Entire pages and pages of exploring the organization beyond the picture given by that particular line. Hell, you could just read the rest of the charter itself instead of searching for the word "Jew". Anti-semitic is not the same thing as genocidal.

    I'm interested, if it's "literally" what Hitler did, wouldn't the calls for genocide be a bit more explicit in the Hamas Charter then one religious borrowing? Maybe since genocide seems to be their main motivation in your mind, there would be an article saying "Kill All Jews" or something like that?

    Like said, Hamas is evil enough as it is. No reason to go around searching with a comb to make them moar evil.

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