So it's been confirmed, both packages contained a large amount of PETN, and were designed to be set off by a cell phone call. They were addressed to synagogues in Chicago.
I wonder if they can check who was looking up the tracking information on the packages for delivery confirmation, since I'm assuming that's how they would've known to make the call to detonate it.
I hope terrorists aren't targeting the Spertus Institute. That place is too pretty to be blown up.
Plus, ah, its a cargo plane. Yes, it'd suck if it went down, but the loss of life would be relatively minimal.
well if it was just explosives maybe, but if they had piggybacked some biomaterial or radiological material onto it, that could make things pretty bad especially if it went off in the air over land
If biological or radiological attacks are made anywhere with even the least bit of competence then we're pretty fucked. While the damage will be bad the reaction will be horrific.
I can't imagine a biological substance actually surviving a mid-air explosion and fall in any sort of infection-capable conduction. Look at the anthrax attacks in 2001- that was pretty much an ideal hit, and the actual damage was minimal. Most people don't even remember it.
Ditto radiological. It has the advantage of not dying, but it'd be too dispersed to really do anything.
The only deaths that would occur from a 'dirty bomb' going off (or, rather, the only non-explosion related deaths that happen because, you know, it's a bomb) would be those from the panic and hysteria that ensued thanks to the resulting media coverage rather than from any of the actual radioactive elements.
The only deaths that would occur from a 'dirty bomb' going off (or, rather, the only non-explosion related deaths that happen because, you know, it's a bomb) would be those from the panic and hysteria that ensued thanks to the resulting media coverage rather than from any of the actual radioactive elements.
Correct me if I'm wrong because I'm not fully versed in dirty bombs.
But from what I know the risk of a dirty bomb is from radioactive materials, not a hard radiation because its not a nuclear device, its just a conventional device spreading stuff like radiological medical waste or what ever high radiation source they can grab.
so the serious threat would only be to those outside at the time of detonation, and mostly because of inhalation of particles, You would get a dose of rads from being covered in the dust but thats much easier to decontaminate than your lungs.
People in side would be mostly safe as long as they did not panic and rush to the streets. would have to wait for decontamination of the area, or be evacuated in such a way that could prevent exposure to the fine dust particle fallout
is this all mostly correct?
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We need to research ecology before we can have workers scrub radiation, though.
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But we are so close to finishing Giant Death Robots, we would lose so many beakers if we switched to ecology now...
The Japan Post Office announced November 12 that from November 17 it would indefinitely stop accepting mail parcels to the United States weighing more than 453 grams. The Post Office has at this time given no indication of how long this suspension will last only saying that it is “for the time being.” This suspension includes all regular international airmail parcels, as well as EMS. The Japan Post Office (JPO) has cut Japan off from the US entirely, at least as far as airmail parcels over a pound in weight go. The reason the JPO gives for this action is that following attempts to send explosives through air cargo from Yemen to the US, American security measures for air cargo have become increasingly severe. America and Guam are included in this provision, raising the strong possibility that Christmas and year end parcels will not be able to be sent from Japan to the US, which is likely to cause massive confusion.
This sounds totally bizarre. As more news articles come in for this it should give a better picture as to the reasons behind it.
The Japan Post Office announced November 12 that from November 17 it would indefinitely stop accepting mail parcels to the United States weighing more than 453 grams. The Post Office has at this time given no indication of how long this suspension will last only saying that it is “for the time being.” This suspension includes all regular international airmail parcels, as well as EMS. The Japan Post Office (JPO) has cut Japan off from the US entirely, at least as far as airmail parcels over a pound in weight go. The reason the JPO gives for this action is that following attempts to send explosives through air cargo from Yemen to the US, American security measures for air cargo have become increasingly severe. America and Guam are included in this provision, raising the strong possibility that Christmas and year end parcels will not be able to be sent from Japan to the US, which is likely to cause massive confusion.
This sounds totally bizarre. As more news articles come in for this it should give a better picture as to the reasons behind it.
"Dear terrorists: Please make sure your bomb-containing packages are 15.9 ounces or less this holiday season. The Japanese Post Office thanks you!"
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The Japan Post Office announced November 12 that from November 17 it would indefinitely stop accepting mail parcels to the United States weighing more than 453 grams. The Post Office has at this time given no indication of how long this suspension will last only saying that it is “for the time being.” This suspension includes all regular international airmail parcels, as well as EMS. The Japan Post Office (JPO) has cut Japan off from the US entirely, at least as far as airmail parcels over a pound in weight go. The reason the JPO gives for this action is that following attempts to send explosives through air cargo from Yemen to the US, American security measures for air cargo have become increasingly severe. America and Guam are included in this provision, raising the strong possibility that Christmas and year end parcels will not be able to be sent from Japan to the US, which is likely to cause massive confusion.
This sounds totally bizarre. As more news articles come in for this it should give a better picture as to the reasons behind it.
"Dear terrorists: Please make sure your bomb-containing packages are 15.9 ounces or less this holiday season. The Japanese Post Office thanks you!"
According to Wiki, 80 grams of PETN (how much the underwear bomber had) is enough to level a house.
The Japan Post Office announced November 12 that from November 17 it would indefinitely stop accepting mail parcels to the United States weighing more than 453 grams. The Post Office has at this time given no indication of how long this suspension will last only saying that it is “for the time being.” This suspension includes all regular international airmail parcels, as well as EMS. The Japan Post Office (JPO) has cut Japan off from the US entirely, at least as far as airmail parcels over a pound in weight go. The reason the JPO gives for this action is that following attempts to send explosives through air cargo from Yemen to the US, American security measures for air cargo have become increasingly severe. America and Guam are included in this provision, raising the strong possibility that Christmas and year end parcels will not be able to be sent from Japan to the US, which is likely to cause massive confusion.
This sounds totally bizarre. As more news articles come in for this it should give a better picture as to the reasons behind it.
"Dear terrorists: Please make sure your bomb-containing packages are 15.9 ounces or less this holiday season. The Japanese Post Office thanks you!"
According to Wiki, 80 grams of PETN (how much the underwear bomber had) is enough to level a house.
A Japanese house, perhaps. The blast radius would barely make it to the 3rd Living Room in a McMansion. :P
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AQ actually intentionally targets hits or attempted hits around election or big days of a target country. Terrorists can read calendars, too.
I hope terrorists aren't targeting the Spertus Institute. That place is too pretty to be blown up.
If biological or radiological attacks are made anywhere with even the least bit of competence then we're pretty fucked. While the damage will be bad the reaction will be horrific.
Ditto radiological. It has the advantage of not dying, but it'd be too dispersed to really do anything.
Correct me if I'm wrong because I'm not fully versed in dirty bombs.
But from what I know the risk of a dirty bomb is from radioactive materials, not a hard radiation because its not a nuclear device, its just a conventional device spreading stuff like radiological medical waste or what ever high radiation source they can grab.
so the serious threat would only be to those outside at the time of detonation, and mostly because of inhalation of particles, You would get a dose of rads from being covered in the dust but thats much easier to decontaminate than your lungs.
People in side would be mostly safe as long as they did not panic and rush to the streets. would have to wait for decontamination of the area, or be evacuated in such a way that could prevent exposure to the fine dust particle fallout
is this all mostly correct?
http://www.majiroxnews.com/2010/11/13/japan-post-to-stop-parcels-to-us/
This sounds totally bizarre. As more news articles come in for this it should give a better picture as to the reasons behind it.
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According to Wiki, 80 grams of PETN (how much the underwear bomber had) is enough to level a house.
A Japanese house, perhaps. The blast radius would barely make it to the 3rd Living Room in a McMansion. :P
They've been having such a rough year, too
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