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    IncenjucarIncenjucar VChatter Seattle, WARegistered User regular
    edited November 2010
    I love how CNN, even when reality doesn't match their narrative, just phrase it so it matches.

    "Republicans have taken the House. And even though they haven't taken the Senate, it's MORE Republican than it was!"

    Fucking morons.

    Your first mistake was watching televised "news".

    Really, that's part of why we're in this mess to begin with.

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    ToxTox I kill threads he/himRegistered User regular
    edited November 2010
    Fox news is referring to Murkowski as "Write-in"

    Like....that's what they're calling her.

    "So, Write-in is probably going to win this election?"

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    Clint EastwoodClint Eastwood My baby's in there someplace She crawled right inRegistered User regular
    edited November 2010
    I live in missouri's 7th district, where Roy Blunt was previously our congressional representative.

    As far as local issues go this whole night has sucked for me, until now. Proposition B, an anti-puppy mill measure, was losing all night but managed to barely pass in the end. I was about ready to drink myself into a stupor over that one.

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    Captain CarrotCaptain Carrot Alexandria, VARegistered User regular
    edited November 2010
    Tox wrote: »
    Well, if we're reallllly lucky, we might get more term limits. That could be a good thing.

    They might go for it, since, iirc, a constitutional amendment establishing congressional term limits would not apply to the congress that passes it, so those who are in office when it passes are exempt.

    Again, I think that's right, I could be wrong, been a while since I researched it.

    Not necessarily. Amendments affecting elected officials don't usually take effect until the next election, but they could just as easily vote to limit their own terms, effective immediately.

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    CouscousCouscous Registered User regular
    edited November 2010
    They could be stupid enough to give the President even more power.

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    ToxTox I kill threads he/himRegistered User regular
    edited November 2010
    Tox wrote: »
    Well, if we're reallllly lucky, we might get more term limits. That could be a good thing.

    They might go for it, since, iirc, a constitutional amendment establishing congressional term limits would not apply to the congress that passes it, so those who are in office when it passes are exempt.

    Again, I think that's right, I could be wrong, been a while since I researched it.

    Not necessarily. Amendments affecting elected officials don't usually take effect until the next election, but they could just as easily vote to limit their own terms, effective immediately.

    Well, they could also "vote" by not running for re-election.

    But that would require principles.

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    Fred Savage Power GloveFred Savage Power Glove Registered User regular
    edited November 2010
    Tox wrote: »
    Fox news is referring to Murkowski as "Write-in"

    Like....that's what they're calling her.

    "So, Write-in is probably going to win this election?"

    That's what she is right now. They aren't seeing what was written in, simply that the write in candidate was the candidate chosen on the particular ballots.

    If it appears that write in was the majority (which it will) they'll start the long, agonizing legal process of counting it. You'll see court battles over which spellings of Murkowski are allowed.

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    Fred Savage Power GloveFred Savage Power Glove Registered User regular
    edited November 2010
    Fuck this pundit on NPR that just said the Democrats have lost the center. He then went on to explain that the turnout was older and more conservative than the electorate in 2008.

    Really dude? You don't think one has anything to do with the other?

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    HozHoz Cool Cat Registered User regular
    edited November 2010
    I like the way Jerry Brown's voice sounds. I think that's what won him the election.

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    enlightenedbumenlightenedbum Registered User regular
    edited November 2010
    Suriko wrote: »
    Glyph? You around dude?

    Wasn't there a cock on the line for a Republican supermajority? Hmmmmmm?

    It's... not. They need to win 90 some seats to get the relevant supermajority in the House.

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    CouscousCouscous Registered User regular
    edited November 2010
    That's what she is right now. They aren't seeing what was written in, simply that the write in candidate was the candidate chosen on the particular ballots.
    There is no need for Fox to go along with a fiction that the vast majority of those write ins are not necessarily for Murkowski.

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    enlightenedbumenlightenedbum Registered User regular
    edited November 2010
    Punditry is stupid, you should ignore all of it.

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    zilozilo Registered User regular
    edited November 2010
    Thanatos wrote: »
    Carly Fiorina is on now, saying it is too close to call and it isn't over yet.
    I wish she would win. I mean, she won't, but she'd be a one-term senator, and it would get Boxer the fuck out of that seat.

    What's so bad about Boxer? Bad enough to sit through a full term of Fiorina, I mean- "smug and kind of annoying" doesn't quite make it worth my vote.

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    SurikoSuriko AustraliaRegistered User regular
    edited November 2010
    Suriko wrote: »
    Glyph? You around dude?

    Wasn't there a cock on the line for a Republican supermajority? Hmmmmmm?

    It's... not. They need to win 90 some seats to get the relevant supermajority in the House.

    That's my point. He was adamant that the Republicans would take the Senate and win a supermajority in the House.

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    Fred Savage Power GloveFred Savage Power Glove Registered User regular
    edited November 2010
    Couscous wrote: »
    That's what she is right now. They aren't seeing what was written in, simply that the write in candidate was the candidate chosen on the particular ballots.
    There is no need for Fox to go along with a fiction that the vast majority of those write ins are not necessarily for Murkowski.

    While in this instance, we all know what candidate was written in, I'm just fine with them referring to the write in candidate as such from a journalistic standpoint. There is a long legal battle ahead, similar to what we saw in Minnesota with Norm Coleman refusing to give up against Al Franken.

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    DalbozDalboz Resident Puppy Eater Right behind you...Registered User regular
    edited November 2010
    Couscous wrote: »
    They could be stupid enough to give the President even more power.

    It wouldn't be the first time. It was the Republican Congress that gave Clinton the line-item veto.
    Hoz wrote: »
    I like the way Jerry Brown's voice sounds. I think that's what won him the election.

    I think was that people just got wise to the fact that she was doing nothing but throwing money at the office and trying to buy it. When people are hurting, they don't like seeing someone fling millions of dollars around to gain power over them. I really don't think there was that much love for Brown in this state, but was more disgust with Whitman. Her wealth actually hurt her.

    Anyway, she just officially conceded.

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    Fred Savage Power GloveFred Savage Power Glove Registered User regular
    edited November 2010
    Suriko wrote: »
    Suriko wrote: »
    Glyph? You around dude?

    Wasn't there a cock on the line for a Republican supermajority? Hmmmmmm?

    It's... not. They need to win 90 some seats to get the relevant supermajority in the House.

    That's my point. He was adamant that the Republicans would take the Senate and win a supermajority in the House.

    Someone couldn't read polls and is quite the fool.

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    DraperDraper __BANNED USERS regular
    edited November 2010
    Random question, but what exactly is the best (least worst) television politics news channel? And what's the best website?

    And a funny story to go along with that. I once told my ultra-conservative fox news watching Dad that The daily show is just as valid a news source as Orielly factor, and he got furious.

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    Captain CarrotCaptain Carrot Alexandria, VARegistered User regular
    edited November 2010
    Couscous wrote: »
    That's what she is right now. They aren't seeing what was written in, simply that the write in candidate was the candidate chosen on the particular ballots.
    There is no need for Fox to go along with a fiction that the vast majority of those write ins are not necessarily for Murkowski.

    I think enough of them will be for someone else, combined with those that misspelled her name, for Miller to take the seat. In about six months.

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    DalbozDalboz Resident Puppy Eater Right behind you...Registered User regular
    edited November 2010
    zilo wrote: »
    Thanatos wrote: »
    Carly Fiorina is on now, saying it is too close to call and it isn't over yet.
    I wish she would win. I mean, she won't, but she'd be a one-term senator, and it would get Boxer the fuck out of that seat.

    What's so bad about Boxer? Bad enough to sit through a full term of Fiorina, I mean- "smug and kind of annoying" doesn't quite make it worth my vote.

    If she behaved in the Senate the way she did as head of HP, she probably wouldn't make it through one term and have to resign in disgrace again.

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    ToxTox I kill threads he/himRegistered User regular
    edited November 2010
    Draper wrote: »
    Random question, but what exactly is the best (least worst) television politics news channel? And what's the best website?

    And a funny story to go along with that. I once told my ultra-conservative fox news watching Dad that The daily show is just as valid a news source as Orielly factor, and he got furious.

    I like Fox, because you always know where they stand.

    MSNBC is pretty good, largely for the same reason. I know where they stand, so I know how to filter what I hear.

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    Fred Savage Power GloveFred Savage Power Glove Registered User regular
    edited November 2010
    Couscous wrote: »
    That's what she is right now. They aren't seeing what was written in, simply that the write in candidate was the candidate chosen on the particular ballots.
    There is no need for Fox to go along with a fiction that the vast majority of those write ins are not necessarily for Murkowski.

    I think enough of them will be for someone else, combined with those that misspelled her name, for Miller to take the seat. In about six months.

    There are already widespread reports that whoever controls elections in Alaska will make concessions for common misspellings of her name, a la Merkowski, Murkowsky etc. I fully expect a court battle from the Miller camp over which misspellings are allowed.

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    Fred Savage Power GloveFred Savage Power Glove Registered User regular
    edited November 2010
    Draper wrote: »
    Random question, but what exactly is the best (least worst) television politics news channel? And what's the best website?

    And a funny story to go along with that. I once told my ultra-conservative fox news watching Dad that The daily show is just as valid a news source as Orielly factor, and he got furious.

    NPR. Seriously.

    I know I'm going to sound like an NPR slappy a lot around here but it's the closest you're going to get to a neutral stance, especially in the political realm. Their website mirrors a lot of their audio content in transcription and actual story form.

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    ToxTox I kill threads he/himRegistered User regular
    edited November 2010
    Draper wrote: »
    Random question, but what exactly is the best (least worst) television politics news channel? And what's the best website?

    And a funny story to go along with that. I once told my ultra-conservative fox news watching Dad that The daily show is just as valid a news source as Orielly factor, and he got furious.

    NPR. Seriously.

    I know I'm going to sound like an NPR slappy a lot around here but it's the closest you're going to get to a neutral stance, especially in the political realm. Their website mirrors a lot of their audio content in transcription and actual story form.

    Oh, yeah, listen to him, not me. Fuck what I said.

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    rndmherorndmhero Registered User regular
    edited November 2010
    Draper wrote: »
    Random question, but what exactly is the best (least worst) television politics news channel? And what's the best website?

    And a funny story to go along with that. I once told my ultra-conservative fox news watching Dad that The daily show is just as valid a news source as Orielly factor, and he got furious.

    NPR. Seriously.

    I know I'm going to sound like an NPR slappy a lot around here but it's the closest you're going to get to a neutral stance, especially in the political realm. Their website mirrors a lot of their audio content in transcription and actual story form.

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    enlightenedbumenlightenedbum Registered User regular
    edited November 2010
    Draper wrote: »
    Random question, but what exactly is the best (least worst) television politics news channel? And what's the best website?

    And a funny story to go along with that. I once told my ultra-conservative fox news watching Dad that The daily show is just as valid a news source as Orielly factor, and he got furious.

    Comedy Central. The D&D forums. Respectively.

    Oh, you think I'm kidding.

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    ClevingerClevinger Registered User regular
    edited November 2010
    Draper wrote: »
    Random question, but what exactly is the best (least worst) television politics news channel? And what's the best website?

    And a funny story to go along with that. I once told my ultra-conservative fox news watching Dad that The daily show is just as valid a news source as Orielly factor, and he got furious.

    PBS or BBC News, I think. The rest are just different shades of awful.

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    Fred Savage Power GloveFred Savage Power Glove Registered User regular
    edited November 2010
    I know NPR isn't a television news outlet but honestly, none of them are good. Fox News is conservative, MSNBC is liberal and CNN just passes of tweets, Facebook status updates and iReports off as news in a desperate claw at ratings like they had during the Gulf War.

    Television news is based off eyeballs; it's their job to get people to watch. NPR has no such objective.

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    HozHoz Cool Cat Registered User regular
    edited November 2010
    Dalboz wrote: »
    Hoz wrote: »
    I like the way Jerry Brown's voice sounds. I think that's what won him the election.

    I think was that people just got wise to the fact that she was doing nothing but throwing money at the office and trying to buy it. When people are hurting, they don't like seeing someone fling millions of dollars around to gain power over them. I really don't think there was that much love for Brown in this state, but was more disgust with Whitman. Her wealth actually hurt her.

    Anyway, she just officially conceded.
    Yeah, I'm from California. I think Whitman's money stuffing was a big issue. Whenever I talked to people about the election it was easy to get them to turn on her by just pointing out how much she spent on the election compared to Brown.

    Also Brown just seems like a nice old man now. It's hard to see him as some deranged hippy (Governor Moonbeam) or a calculating hack.

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    Undead ScottsmanUndead Scottsman Registered User regular
    edited November 2010
    Tox wrote: »
    Fox news is referring to Murkowski as "Write-in"

    Like....that's what they're calling her.

    "So, Write-in is probably going to win this election?"

    Write-in covers all of the write-in candidates, even ones who aren't Murkowski. We won't find out who the Write-Ins are actually for (though we can certainlly guess) until the fucking 16th. :P

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    enlightenedbumenlightenedbum Registered User regular
    edited November 2010
    Hoz wrote: »
    Dalboz wrote: »
    Hoz wrote: »
    I like the way Jerry Brown's voice sounds. I think that's what won him the election.

    I think was that people just got wise to the fact that she was doing nothing but throwing money at the office and trying to buy it. When people are hurting, they don't like seeing someone fling millions of dollars around to gain power over them. I really don't think there was that much love for Brown in this state, but was more disgust with Whitman. Her wealth actually hurt her.

    Anyway, she just officially conceded.
    Yeah, I'm from California. I think Whitman's money stuffing was a big issue. Whenever I talked to people about the election it was easy to get them to turn on her by just pointing out how much she spent on the election compared to Brown.

    Also Brown just seems like a nice old man now. It's hard to see him as some deranged hippy (Governor Moonbeam) or a calculating hack.

    This raises a point that's annoyed me for months. I know the answer but it's still so very stupid.

    Democrats really should have made Citizens United the campaign issue.

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    tbloxhamtbloxham Registered User regular
    edited November 2010
    Draper wrote: »
    Random question, but what exactly is the best (least worst) television politics news channel? And what's the best website?

    And a funny story to go along with that. I once told my ultra-conservative fox news watching Dad that The daily show is just as valid a news source as Orielly factor, and he got furious.

    Comedy Central. The D&D forums. Respectively.

    Oh, you think I'm kidding.

    The daily show is a far more viable news source than the oreilly factor.

    Arghh, I'm just so angry about 19. If we could just have passed it it might just have saved our proverbial bacon on so many levels. The republicans would have been forced into a giant anti states rights fury at the federal level trying to block it, which would solidify Californian support across party lines and probably occupy months of fury from the GOP. And that's before all the lives it would have saved and the billions of dollars we'd have had to spend on projects in California.

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    OSUJumpManOSUJumpMan Registered User regular
    edited November 2010
    Clevinger wrote: »
    Draper wrote: »
    Random question, but what exactly is the best (least worst) television politics news channel? And what's the best website?

    And a funny story to go along with that. I once told my ultra-conservative fox news watching Dad that The daily show is just as valid a news source as Orielly factor, and he got furious.

    PBS or BBC News, I think. The rest are just different shades of awful.

    PBS is good, but not very expansive. BBC is great because really their only investment is that we don't obliterate the world one way or another.

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    Undead ScottsmanUndead Scottsman Registered User regular
    edited November 2010
    With 3/4ths of precincts reporting in, Miller has stolen a point from McAdams and is up to 35%, but "Write In" is holding steady at 40%

    In other news, Sean Parnell (Palin's former Lt. Gov and the guy who took over her job when she left) won handily with 58% vs democrat Ethan Berkowitz's 39%, and in an absolute SHOCKER Rep. Don Young retained his seat versus Crawford 68-32. :P

    I swear to god, when Don Young is dead and buried, he'll STILL win that house seat.

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    Fred Savage Power GloveFred Savage Power Glove Registered User regular
    edited November 2010
    Dalboz wrote: »
    Couscous wrote: »
    They could be stupid enough to give the President even more power.

    It wouldn't be the first time. It was the Republican Congress that gave Clinton the line-item veto.
    Hoz wrote: »
    I like the way Jerry Brown's voice sounds. I think that's what won him the election.

    I think was that people just got wise to the fact that she was doing nothing but throwing money at the office and trying to buy it. When people are hurting, they don't like seeing someone fling millions of dollars around to gain power over them. I really don't think there was that much love for Brown in this state, but was more disgust with Whitman. Her wealth actually hurt her.

    Anyway, she just officially conceded.

    This is exactly what lost Connecticut for Linda McMahon.

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    HacksawHacksaw J. Duggan Esq. Wrestler at LawRegistered User regular
    edited November 2010
    mcdermott wrote: »
    I just think it's hilarious that a former CEO who ran her company into the ground then floated away on a golden parachute thought it was a good time to run for office. That takes brass balls right there.

    Even funnier is that she almost won. Shows you just how consistent the thinking of the average voter is.
    Hacksaw wrote: »
    The electorate in this country has the attention span and imminent recall of a hummingbird. Not to mention the intelligence of a gardener snake.

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    ZedarZedar Registered User regular
    edited November 2010
    So 538 is projecting democrats to hold both Washington and Colorado, leaving them with 53 seats. That's pretty damn good after people were discussing the possibility of them losing the senate altogether not long ago.

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    Fred Savage Power GloveFred Savage Power Glove Registered User regular
    edited November 2010
    My local NPR station just flipped to BBC World Service at 7AM GMT. Their top story is, of course, the American midterms. They termed the Republicans' win a "landslide" and that Obama faces an uphill battle going forward trying to pass his laws. They mention the Tea Party as "Obama's ideological opposites" and as a major party of the story today.

    Not intended as commentary, just trying to put an international spin on these elections.

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    Fred Savage Power GloveFred Savage Power Glove Registered User regular
    edited November 2010
    Hacksaw wrote: »
    mcdermott wrote: »
    I just think it's hilarious that a former CEO who ran her company into the ground then floated away on a golden parachute thought it was a good time to run for office. That takes brass balls right there.

    Even funnier is that she almost won. Shows you just how consistent the thinking of the average voter is.
    Hacksaw wrote: »
    The electorate in this country has the attention span and imminent recall of a hummingbird. Not to mention the intelligence of a gardener snake.

    Fantastic political ad that didn't seem to hit until this weekend. This is something the Democrats should have been hitting hard since at least July.

    "I Remember"

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    _J__J_ Pedant Registered User, __BANNED USERS regular
    edited November 2010
    Did Angle do anything yet?

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