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what? have you played KoTOR? Elebits? with all of the systems having some form of internal user-accessible memory storage, user creation is more than possible.
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Furthermore:
It's all relevant, because it was meant as a reply to:
Which is an absolutely retarded viewpoint to have.
Personally, I felt the boss fights would have been a lot more fun and challenging if I had to manually aim for weak points instead of lock onto them, but I was just giving a random lockon example.
Oh I'm sorry, I forgot the speed of a game dictated the quality, and that very few good PC-to-console FPS ports are good, which is entirely the fault of the input device and not the developer half-assing it.
I'm done being off-topic. If you want to continue discussing this we can do it somewhere else.
Thank you, I felt like I was in the fucking twilight zone for a second here.
where is the OOO's overhaul for the x-box version of Oblivion?
Are you implying that creative use of cover and stealth doesn't use skill?
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Yeah, it's a terrible year for PC gaming, all those muppets have who bought 8800s have nothing to look forward to*
*I mean, who wants to play Crysis, Hellgate London, Supreme Commander, The Crossing, Left4Dead, Grey Matter, A Vampyre Story, World in Conflict, Spore, S.T.A.L.K.E.R., Malestrom, C&C 3, Warhammer Online, Pirates of the Burning Sea, Dragon Age, Aquarica, Alien Swarm: Infested, Unreal 2007, Quake Wars: Enemy Territory, Bioshock, Assassins Creed, Stranglehold, Alan Wake, Jericho, Shadowrun, Portal, Team Fortress 2, Half-Life Episode 2, Kane and Lynch: Dead Men and a few others.
I should definitely throw away my PC*
*and buy a kickass one
If we were both on gamepads it would be fun. If we were both on KBM it would be fun. You can't mix them as yes, there is an accuracy difference. This however is designed into the games. The point is as a different interface the gamepad works fine if you remain open minded.
And now we segment and marginalize the games we don't like.
Its not about better. There is no objective better. I've already conceded that the mouse is more accurate, but thats not necessarily better.
I'm comparing you to an old man as you are letting your extremely thick preconceptions utterly destroy any ability to perceive alternatives.
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"Well I enjoy these fast-paced games and it is simply not possible on a console and jesus christ shut up about PC games being on the decline."
Again, it was all meant as a counter to Apoth's point of "olol shut up and buy a console it's better anyways"
You've articulated your points poorly.
Why?
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I've split the threads. It was a relevant point that spun into its own little whirlwind.
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Because some of us enjoy RTSs and MMOs and don't enjoy Tactical FPS and JRPG games?
No.
My point was that since Microsoft seems to be rather draconian with Vista that one could abandon Vista and buy a Mac, and still get most of the gaming they want out of a console.
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Which is why you buy the Mac. You need to be less angry at me and read my posts.
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I can get Medieval II: Total War, Civilization IV, and Warcraft III on a console?
I can get Oblivion, replete with mods (because vanilla Oblivion is, imo, terrible)?
I can get World of Warcraft, EVE Online, and now LOTR and WAR on a console?
I can get Neverwinter Nights, with the gigabytes and gigabytes of user-made content, on a console?
I can revisit old classics like System Shock, Deus Ex, Baldur's Gate II, and Fallout on a console?
The only games in my last post that can be played on a Mac are, um, War3 and World of Warcraft.
I'm pretty sure my point still stands.
Are you basically saying that games should be designed to a lesser accuracy? Why would I want that? Don't you understand that I actually like accuracy? Have you ever watched Team Fortress Done Extreme? CPMA by VoO? Excessive Cruelty? http://www.own-age.com/vids/? Any of the movies to come out of the FPS community? Those were done because of accuracy. I think they are amazing and you are saying to just redesign the games based on a lack of that?
If there is something you absolutely need. Yes. (see with my Mac version of World of Warcraft I don't even do that much)
Do you even understand my basic point is that given advances in consoles (mostly by Microsoft) and advances in Mac OS viability that Windows is no longer a critical hub of being a happy gamer? That I'm just suggesting there is a really viable alternative?
Why are you riding my ass like a pack mule because I'm proposing there is a viable alternative - one I've taken - if someone wants it?
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Actually, yes you can.
See...you play those on the Mac.
Which you have so you don't deal with Vista bullshit when you don't want to be gaming...
See..?
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Despite all the text you've typed I still have no idea what your point is.
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As for the whole console versus PC debate, my own personal stance is if it's on the PC, I'll probably get that version. You can argue all you want about keyboard and mouse versus gamepads, but the keyboard and mouse offer quicker movements and judgements in games. I don't see how that can be in question. Battlestations Midway plays fine on the 360, but I can give far quicker commands to my units with a mouse and keyboard.
And then you have modifications. I don't think I would enjoy playing vanilla Oblivion or other games without all the modifications I have installed. It adds replayability and fresh experiences. They can be used to add new features and content and storylines, and even fill in the blanks and "complete" a game that was once broken.
Of course, there are games I'd rather own on a console. I can't see playing Ace Combat or fighting games on the PC without requiring me to buy gamepads or joysticks. But to say PC gaming is decline or doomed is wrong.
C) I am riding your ass like a pack mule because I am listing reasons why I don't believe that there is a viable alternative to PC gaming for RTS and MMO geeks, and your only response is "why don't you just understand me!?
I'm saying games should be designed to be fun.
Obviously you are very elite as you are toting around acronyms I've never heard. You should not be surprised that my suggested alternative may not cater to people on the fringes of gaming, such as the elite, meaning you.
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a) You could if you wanted to. You don't have to if you don't. I'm suggesting an alternative. Different people doing different things was taken as a given, but if you really need it spelled out for you, well, there you go.
b) With Windows virtualization they all are.
c) You'll notice how the inclusion of Windows-based gaming has persisted through all iterations of my suggested alternative. Given that, what exactly is your point?
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Damn straight, and I'm not. I'm just hoping to help convince some other people to not upgrade either.
As has been said repeatedly many times already, Vista and XP have nearly identical EULAs. The difference is that Vista is actually enforcing some of it.. whether or not you want it to. It's actually limiting your experience if you don't have 100% trusted hardware.
With that reality, I will finally kick the Windows habit. I've been moving away from it for years.. but it didn't outright offend me so I kept it around the house. It's easier that way. Probably won't buy a Mac either.. their hardware is absurdly overpriced. Instead I'll run linux 100%, instead of just 50% like I am now.
All my games will be on consoles, for the forseeable future. That's where all the action is these days anyways. PC still gets some decent titles.. but no "killer apps" to make putting up with Vista worth it.
so you want me to get a mac so i can emulate windows when i want windows
whereas i want to just use windows all the time and skip the emulating step
that is why i am worried about windows vista
that is why i think your original point of "just ignore the problems in windows vista" is a poor idea
He enjoys it?
I thought people like him were above "having fun"
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So if I'm not him, which I'm not, why are you shocked that I'm having a different opinion?
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I'm not saying that every game should play like Resident Evil 4, but it's an excellent example of how limiting the player's ability to move actually increases the fun and depth of the game.
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If Vista is a problem, you can avoid Vista.
What is the problem with this suggestion?
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Instead of:
or
Anyways, avoiding Vista is easy - we just stick with XP.
Doesn't mean we can't be worried about it, though.
Beyond that, I'd bet apples to oranges that the most played 'game' on PC would be poker. Or Bejeweled? Two products you'd never, ever consider playing from your barcolounger.
For most people, I think it's really more about having a game that fits in well with what you use the machine for. Offices that are LAN'd together are going to enjoy playing an FPS here or there. And if you think of fantasy leagues as a kind of elaborate RPG, then there's your perfect PC game. You can play it at work, sinking in a few minutes at a time as a distraction from your boring job.
Also: keyboard chatting is, to my mind, totally preferable to voice chatting. And the industry hasn't totally put that together yet. I play baseketball on XBL and I never use my headset when I head to the lobby, because no one will talk to you. And it's awkward and weird to say "Hay Guys!" and have total silence in response.
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