You have a one in six chance of rolling a 2 when you throw a six sided die
And guess what? The next time you roll the die, you also have a one in six chance of rolling a 2
I know some dudes that think that if you roll a d20 twenty times you will get a 20
I tried to explain why they're retarded
and then they brought up that they got good grades in prob and stat and I cried blood an passed out
haha have you seen those people that store "preloaded" dice?
the idea is they roll a dice a lot and if it gets low numbers, they store it away so that the next time they roll it, it rolls higher
hah
This is dice superstition. nearly all players of table top rpgs have it in some form or another, whether they admit to it or not.
I have an example of which on my phone's camera which showcases my own brand. I cannot, for the life of me, get it from there to my computer anymore. the software won't work.
basically, I smashed an horrendously under-performing dice with a hammer, and placed it's remains in the center of a ring of other dice of it's type. To give an example of the price for failure, you see.
Actually they said if the machines function PROPERLY the odds of killing you are 1 in 30 million.
Point is, you have to weigh the risks. The risks of doing the scanning vs not doing it and presumably getting blown up by an underwear bomb. Because that's what these scanners are designed to prevent. They aren't to prevent a 9/11 style attack because they put LOCKS on all the cockpit doors to prevent that...
So what are the odds of getting killed by a (sucessful this time) underwear bomb? Because statistically, so far, that chance is ZERO.
But let's say someone gets smart and builds one that works. The last time a bomb sucessfully blew up a plane in the US, was when?? I don't even remember one. There was TWA flight 800 in 1996, but they finally concluded there was no evidence of it being a bomb... but lets assume it was. 230 people were killed on that plane, in 14 years, 800 million people flying a year for 14 years, that's 11.2 BILLION people. 230 killed, so you have (roughly) a 1 in 48.7 million chance of getting blown up by a bomb on a plane.
vs 1 in 30 million of getting killed by the xray machines designed to prevent it.
Those don't sound like great odds, I'm just sayin.... if you're a betting man.
(always bet on black)
You have a one in six chance of rolling a 2 when you throw a six sided die
And guess what? The next time you roll the die, you also have a one in six chance of rolling a 2
I know some dudes that think that if you roll a d20 twenty times you will get a 20
I tried to explain why they're retarded
and then they brought up that they got good grades in prob and stat and I cried blood an passed out
haha have you seen those people that store "preloaded" dice?
the idea is they roll a dice a lot and if it gets low numbers, they store it away so that the next time they roll it, it rolls higher
hah
This is dice superstition. nearly all players of table top rpgs have it in some form or another, whether they admit to it or not.
I have an example of which on my phone's camera which showcases my own brand. I cannot, for the life of me, get it from there to my computer anymore. the software won't work.
basically, I smashed an horrendously under-performing dice with a hammer, and placed it's remains in the center of a ring of other dice of it's type. To give an example of the price for failure, you see.
Yeah everyone knows that new dice roll badly for example.
Also when palying organise your dice so that they all show the desirable number. That way you will train them into rolling that number more.
You have a one in six chance of rolling a 2 when you throw a six sided die
And guess what? The next time you roll the die, you also have a one in six chance of rolling a 2
I know some dudes that think that if you roll a d20 twenty times you will get a 20
I tried to explain why they're retarded
and then they brought up that they got good grades in prob and stat and I cried blood an passed out
haha have you seen those people that store "preloaded" dice?
the idea is they roll a dice a lot and if it gets low numbers, they store it away so that the next time they roll it, it rolls higher
hah
This is dice superstition. nearly all players of table top rpgs have it in some form or another, whether they admit to it or not.
I have an example of which on my phone's camera which showcases my own brand. I cannot, for the life of me, get it from there to my computer anymore. the software won't work.
basically, I smashed an horrendously under-performing dice with a hammer, and placed it's remains in the center of a ring of other dice of it's type. To give an example of the price for failure, you see.
Yeah everyone knows that new dice roll badly for example.
Also when palying organise your dice so that they all show the desirable number. That way you will train them into rolling that number more.
Gotta discipline your dice.
I used to place them desirable number-face down. Because I realized that I pick them straight up and then roll them. I've observed this to result in better rolls than not, though as with anything it is still mostly unpredictable.
as for the smash and show technique I displayed earlier, that's primarily for the effect of personal catharsis.
jwalk I don't understand what you are saying. Is it, as a betting man, you are not going to fly anymore because there is a 1 in 30 million chance you could get cancer
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The real solution is only hire models to be TSA agents.
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jwalk I don't understand what you are saying. Is it, as a betting man, you are not going to fly anymore because there is a 1 in 30 million chance you could get cancer
1 in 30M every time you fly, and FATAL cancer, they don't even say how many will "only" get some form of non-fatal cancer ...
But no I'll just opt out and get a free hand-job instead.
Point is, are the risks worth it? Even if they are small? Keep in mind no plane has ever been blown up by an underwear bomb, and the 9/11 style attacks are not designed to be prevented by these machines.
Not to mention all the other ways of getting a bomb on the plane that these scanners can't detect...
Do they even do anything? AT ALL?
Meanwhile they flat out tell you, right to your face, that 1 in 30 million people will get fatal cancer from the machines. Is that worth it?
Of course if you are getting paid a lot of money selling the machines your answer is probably "yes", you know like the man who recommended them when he was director of the TSA and then also got paid by the company who makes them... total coincidence of course..
jwalk you clearly do not understand the difference between 1 in 30 million scanned will get fatal cancer and a 1 in 30 million chance that someone scanned will contract fatal cancer.
There is nothing inherently wrong with not knowing this! It is something many people are unaware of.
However.
You should be aware of is that there is a difference. Now you may not understand the difference and it may not suit your arguments, but it is there, and you are ignorant of that difference. Accept that you are wrong (Pro-tip: You are wrong).
No, no, the obvious answer is for jwalk to just keep repeating himself. If he keeps saying the same thing it makes him right, right?
if he says it 30 million times, it will be right
(he thinks)
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you are also forgetting that the planes on 9/11 were not carrying bombs. they were overtaken by terrorists with weapons. weapons that were passed through inferior scanning techniques. the whole point is ahhhhh screw this.
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I wonder how many people are like me and just don't wanna fly ever because of the security
I mean I have psychological issues though and the whole idea of taking off my shoes and being investigated like that makes me violently mad in a way I can only control with sedation so
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i don't mind it so much
oddly enough the only thing that really bothers me about it is the idea that bombardier will eventually be a pilot and someone other than me will start feeling him up every time he flies commercially
i think
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i don't really understand the point of screening pilots
oh shit pilot has a knife he might take control of the plane away from... himself?
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When did airport security get to the point when essentially strip-searching everybody became "reasonable"?
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americans became more attractive during the period from 1999 to 2007
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i don't really understand the point of screening pilots
oh shit pilot has a knife he might take control of the plane away from... himself?
I'm sure there is no reason for it, but I suppose one could make the argument that if the pilot was some kind of terrorist the co-pilot could maybe stop him unless he had a knife.
I fly maybe once a year anyway so I don't really give a shit about any of this
This is pretty much my view.
Also i'm of the opinion that while i'd rather not be subjected to loads of security checks and abuse from overzealous security, its the lesser of two evils.
The other bigger evil is me dieing in a terror attack.
Also i almost submitted this post without realizing i had misspelled bigger, with the letter to the right of b on my keyboard instead of b. Boy would that have been awkward.
Yes, it isn't as extreme as a physical strip-search. But there really doesn't seem to be that much difference between the two.
Also, why do we only debate the downsides of this? Are we assuming that the security gains from these measures are certainly important and effective?
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couldn't I just club him in the back of the head or slit his throat with the tools that have to be in the cockpit anyway
fuck have none of you seen that episode of Macguyver
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This is dice superstition. nearly all players of table top rpgs have it in some form or another, whether they admit to it or not.
I have an example of which on my phone's camera which showcases my own brand. I cannot, for the life of me, get it from there to my computer anymore. the software won't work.
basically, I smashed an horrendously under-performing dice with a hammer, and placed it's remains in the center of a ring of other dice of it's type. To give an example of the price for failure, you see.
Point is, you have to weigh the risks. The risks of doing the scanning vs not doing it and presumably getting blown up by an underwear bomb. Because that's what these scanners are designed to prevent. They aren't to prevent a 9/11 style attack because they put LOCKS on all the cockpit doors to prevent that...
So what are the odds of getting killed by a (sucessful this time) underwear bomb? Because statistically, so far, that chance is ZERO.
But let's say someone gets smart and builds one that works. The last time a bomb sucessfully blew up a plane in the US, was when?? I don't even remember one. There was TWA flight 800 in 1996, but they finally concluded there was no evidence of it being a bomb... but lets assume it was. 230 people were killed on that plane, in 14 years, 800 million people flying a year for 14 years, that's 11.2 BILLION people. 230 killed, so you have (roughly) a 1 in 48.7 million chance of getting blown up by a bomb on a plane.
vs 1 in 30 million of getting killed by the xray machines designed to prevent it.
Those don't sound like great odds, I'm just sayin.... if you're a betting man.
(always bet on black)
Yeah everyone knows that new dice roll badly for example.
Also when palying organise your dice so that they all show the desirable number. That way you will train them into rolling that number more.
Gotta discipline your dice.
I am vomiting everywhere
PSN: Robo_Wizard1
I used to place them desirable number-face down. Because I realized that I pick them straight up and then roll them. I've observed this to result in better rolls than not, though as with anything it is still mostly unpredictable.
as for the smash and show technique I displayed earlier, that's primarily for the effect of personal catharsis.
Works wonders, man.
What spring does with the cherry trees.
1 in 30M every time you fly, and FATAL cancer, they don't even say how many will "only" get some form of non-fatal cancer ...
But no I'll just opt out and get a free hand-job instead.
Point is, are the risks worth it? Even if they are small? Keep in mind no plane has ever been blown up by an underwear bomb, and the 9/11 style attacks are not designed to be prevented by these machines.
Not to mention all the other ways of getting a bomb on the plane that these scanners can't detect...
Do they even do anything? AT ALL?
Meanwhile they flat out tell you, right to your face, that 1 in 30 million people will get fatal cancer from the machines. Is that worth it?
Of course if you are getting paid a lot of money selling the machines your answer is probably "yes", you know like the man who recommended them when he was director of the TSA and then also got paid by the company who makes them... total coincidence of course..
Probability and reality are two different things
There is nothing inherently wrong with not knowing this! It is something many people are unaware of.
However.
You should be aware of is that there is a difference. Now you may not understand the difference and it may not suit your arguments, but it is there, and you are ignorant of that difference. Accept that you are wrong (Pro-tip: You are wrong).
and they are already in uniform
holy shit this owns
if he says it 30 million times, it will be right
(he thinks)
"Think of it as Evolution in Action"
1 in 2 million chance of dying falling out of bed
IS THIS ACCEPTABLE RISK?!
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you and caulk bite are on fire
It just confuses me!
It should be noted that arguing with jwalk does not mean agreeing with the security measures
some stupid is just so bad it has to be shot down whatever ones opinions
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I mean I have psychological issues though and the whole idea of taking off my shoes and being investigated like that makes me violently mad in a way I can only control with sedation so
However, the ring will never leave your finger, and you will be unable to ever describe to another living person what you see.
oddly enough the only thing that really bothers me about it is the idea that bombardier will eventually be a pilot and someone other than me will start feeling him up every time he flies commercially
i think
oh shit pilot has a knife he might take control of the plane away from... himself?
However, the ring will never leave your finger, and you will be unable to ever describe to another living person what you see.
I don't mean you guys.
This is just my knee-jerk reaction to all the opinions on the matter I've been exposed to in asking people.
really?
http://www.gallup.com/poll/125018/Air-Travelers-Body-Scans-Stride.aspx
When did airport security get to the point when essentially strip-searching everybody became "reasonable"?
However, the ring will never leave your finger, and you will be unable to ever describe to another living person what you see.
I'm sure there is no reason for it, but I suppose one could make the argument that if the pilot was some kind of terrorist the co-pilot could maybe stop him unless he had a knife.
But that is a silly argument so yeah...
yeah, that's not hyperbolic at all
This is pretty much my view.
Also i'm of the opinion that while i'd rather not be subjected to loads of security checks and abuse from overzealous security, its the lesser of two evils.
The other bigger evil is me dieing in a terror attack.
Also i almost submitted this post without realizing i had misspelled bigger, with the letter to the right of b on my keyboard instead of b. Boy would that have been awkward.
Also, why do we only debate the downsides of this? Are we assuming that the security gains from these measures are certainly important and effective?
fuck have none of you seen that episode of Macguyver
However, the ring will never leave your finger, and you will be unable to ever describe to another living person what you see.