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Hands off my balls, TSA Agent (scat swapping thread)

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    DruhimDruhim Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited November 2010
    The other point is that he's completely misunderstanding how that probability scales against other risks. He hasn't got a fucking clue how to analyze the statistics of various risks against each other. Reminds me of when Carl Sagan wrote about people believing in the healing waters of Lourdes.
    Carl Sagan wrote:
    The spontaneous remission rates of all cancers... is estimated to be something between 1 in 10,000 and 1 in 100,000. If no more than 5% of those who come to Lourdes were there to treat their cancers, there should have been something between 50 and 500 'miraculous' cures of cancer alone. Since only 3 of the attested [by the Roman Catholic Church] 65 cures are of cancer, the rate of spontaneous remission at Lourdes seems to be lower than if the victims had just stayed at home.

    jwalk is the type of person who out of ignorance would look simply at the number of people that went into remission after visiting Lourdes without asking the very important question about the background rate of spontaneous remission from cancer. He's too damn clueless to understand the relevance of other data.

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    PiptheFairPiptheFair Frequently not in boats. Registered User regular
    edited November 2010
    jwalk wrote: »
    chances are 1 in 30 million yes.

    so if 30 million people are scanned CHANCES ARE 1 will get fatal cancer.

    that's their own figures.

    so if 800 million are scanned

    800 / 30 = 26.666 people will die

    every year.

    ok sure 26 people will also get struck by lighting (actually about 60 do in the US alone)

    I get it, it's a small number

    but is it worth it, just to make some douchbags rich?

    Depends, do I get rich? If not then... um... nah skip it.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aG4erp40TUs

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    UsagiUsagi Nah Registered User regular
    edited November 2010
    You have a one in six chance of rolling a 2 when you throw a six sided die

    And guess what? The next time you roll the die, you also have a one in six chance of rolling a 2

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    RaneadosRaneados police apologist you shouldn't have been there, obviouslyRegistered User regular
    edited November 2010
    jwalk wrote: »
    that's their own figures.
    jwalk wrote: »
    that's their own figures.
    jwalk wrote: »
    that's their own figures.

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    PiptheFairPiptheFair Frequently not in boats. Registered User regular
    edited November 2010
    Usagi wrote: »
    You have a one in six chance of rolling a 2 when you throw a six sided die

    And guess what? The next time you roll the die, you also have a one in six chance of rolling a 2

    I know some dudes that think that if you roll a d20 twenty times you will get a 20

    I tried to explain why they're retarded

    and then they brought up that they got good grades in prob and stat and I cried blood an passed out

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    DarmakDarmak RAGE vympyvvhyc vyctyvyRegistered User regular
    edited November 2010
    I don't know if I could deal with the patdown. I'll take my 1 in 30 million chances of developing fatal cancer from the machine's radiation (I am probably exposed to more radiation daily at my job anyway), because the moment people start touching my sides, stomach, and legs I start giggling and laughing uncontrollably and I feel really dumb.

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    RaneadosRaneados police apologist you shouldn't have been there, obviouslyRegistered User regular
    edited November 2010
    PiptheFair wrote: »
    Usagi wrote: »
    You have a one in six chance of rolling a 2 when you throw a six sided die

    And guess what? The next time you roll the die, you also have a one in six chance of rolling a 2

    I know some dudes that think that if you roll a d20 twenty times you will get a 20

    I tried to explain why they're retarded

    and then they brought up that they got good grades in prob and stat and I cried blood an passed out


    haha have you seen those people that store "preloaded" dice?

    the idea is they roll a dice a lot and if it gets low numbers, they store it away so that the next time they roll it, it rolls higher

    hah

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    PiptheFairPiptheFair Frequently not in boats. Registered User regular
    edited November 2010
    Raneados wrote: »
    PiptheFair wrote: »
    Usagi wrote: »
    You have a one in six chance of rolling a 2 when you throw a six sided die

    And guess what? The next time you roll the die, you also have a one in six chance of rolling a 2

    I know some dudes that think that if you roll a d20 twenty times you will get a 20

    I tried to explain why they're retarded

    and then they brought up that they got good grades in prob and stat and I cried blood an passed out


    haha have you seen those people that store "preloaded" dice?

    the idea is they roll a dice a lot and if it gets low numbers, they store it away so that the next time they roll it, it rolls higher

    hah

    yes

    I have met those people

    and

    I want to die

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    UsagiUsagi Nah Registered User regular
    edited November 2010
    Raneados wrote: »
    PiptheFair wrote: »
    Usagi wrote: »
    You have a one in six chance of rolling a 2 when you throw a six sided die

    And guess what? The next time you roll the die, you also have a one in six chance of rolling a 2

    I know some dudes that think that if you roll a d20 twenty times you will get a 20

    I tried to explain why they're retarded

    and then they brought up that they got good grades in prob and stat and I cried blood an passed out


    haha have you seen those people that store "preloaded" dice?

    the idea is they roll a dice a lot and if it gets low numbers, they store it away so that the next time they roll it, it rolls higher

    hah

    Yesssss

    These are the people that grow up and drag their oxygen tanks and cartons of cigarettes around the casino slot floor, hunting for the "right" machine

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    RaneadosRaneados police apologist you shouldn't have been there, obviouslyRegistered User regular
    edited November 2010
    people are fun

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    VerdigrisVerdigris Registered User regular
    edited November 2010
    In 2008, there were 238 fatal workplace injuries for the hospitality and leisure industry. Are those deaths worth it just so the rest of us can take a little vacation?

    WAKE UP, SHEEPLE!

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    The GeekThe Geek Oh-Two Crew, Omeganaut Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited November 2010
    I need to stop going into the tarot thread. It's just making me angry.

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    EndEnd Registered User regular
    edited November 2010
    Raneados wrote: »
    PiptheFair wrote: »
    Usagi wrote: »
    You have a one in six chance of rolling a 2 when you throw a six sided die

    And guess what? The next time you roll the die, you also have a one in six chance of rolling a 2

    I know some dudes that think that if you roll a d20 twenty times you will get a 20

    I tried to explain why they're retarded

    and then they brought up that they got good grades in prob and stat and I cried blood an passed out


    haha have you seen those people that store "preloaded" dice?

    the idea is they roll a dice a lot and if it gets low numbers, they store it away so that the next time they roll it, it rolls higher

    hah

    what

    it ...dice don't work that way

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    UsagiUsagi Nah Registered User regular
    edited November 2010
    Oh jesus there's a tarot thread?

    I just saw it was cj iwakura and avoided it

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    RaneadosRaneados police apologist you shouldn't have been there, obviouslyRegistered User regular
    edited November 2010
    End wrote: »
    it ...dice don't work that way

    tell that to the millions of people that think they do





    and re the tarot thread:
    aw it's just a fun thread you uptight poops

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    PiptheFairPiptheFair Frequently not in boats. Registered User regular
    edited November 2010
    The Geek wrote: »
    I need to stop going into the tarot thread. It's just making me angry.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hig74yhS3SA

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    L|amaL|ama Registered User regular
    edited November 2010
    what's funny is I remember cj getting antsy at me for posting satanic metal

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    RaneadosRaneados police apologist you shouldn't have been there, obviouslyRegistered User regular
    edited November 2010
    yess neil tyson

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    jwalkjwalk Registered User regular
    edited November 2010
    Raneados wrote: »
    jwalk wrote: »
    that's their own figures.
    jwalk wrote: »
    that's their own figures.
    jwalk wrote: »
    that's their own figures.

    well, it is.

    No really, tell me how many people will get cancer from these machines, what is "acceptible losses"?

    WAIT before you answer, the person that gets cancer is someone YOU KNOW. Oooooh

    But seriously, how many of your family members are you willing to give cancer hmmm? Let's break down the numbers here.

    For me I can say ZERO I want ZERO of my family or friends to die of cancer from these machines.

    I'm just sayin... you decide for yourself though, don't wanna speak for anyone else ...

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    Beef AvengerBeef Avenger Registered User regular
    edited November 2010
    nobody tell jwalk about the odds of a car crash

    or cancer

    or anything else

    i don't think he could handle it

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    DruhimDruhim Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited November 2010
    Verdigris wrote: »
    In 2008, there were 238 fatal workplace injuries for the hospitality and leisure industry. Are those deaths worth it just so the rest of us can take a little vacation?

    WAKE UP, SHEEPLE!

    :^:

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    UsagiUsagi Nah Registered User regular
    edited November 2010
    Great googly moogly I give up jwalk

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    L|amaL|ama Registered User regular
    edited November 2010
    well with 1 in 30 million odds, I guess I have a 1 in 3 million chance of a close family member dying

    yeah I'm alright with that

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    The GeekThe Geek Oh-Two Crew, Omeganaut Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited November 2010
    jwalk wrote: »
    Raneados wrote: »
    jwalk wrote: »
    that's their own figures.
    jwalk wrote: »
    that's their own figures.
    jwalk wrote: »
    that's their own figures.

    well, it is.

    No really, tell me how many people will get cancer from these machines, what is "acceptible losses"?

    WAIT before you answer, the person that gets cancer is someone YOU KNOW. Oooooh

    But seriously, how many of your family members are you willing to give cancer hmmm? Let's break down the numbers here.

    For me I can say ZERO I want ZERO of my family or friends to die of cancer from these machines.

    I'm just sayin... you decide for yourself though, don't wanna speak for anyone else ...

    No one is saying that it is an acceptable loss. This is not the issue.

    The issue is your understanding of probabilities.

    "1 in 30 million chance to die" does not mean "For every 30 million people, one is guaranteed to die".

    To go back to Usagi's example: You roll a d6. You have a 1 in 6 chance to roll a 3. That doesn't mean if you roll it six times, you are guaranteed to get a 3.

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    Centipede DamascusCentipede Damascus Registered User regular
    edited November 2010
    someone find me the odds of a tanning booth giving you skin cancer

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    VerdigrisVerdigris Registered User regular
    edited November 2010
    Twenty million kids are eaten by bats every second.

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    DruhimDruhim Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited November 2010
    jwalk wrote: »
    Raneados wrote: »
    jwalk wrote: »
    that's their own figures.
    jwalk wrote: »
    that's their own figures.
    jwalk wrote: »
    that's their own figures.

    well, it is.

    No really, tell me how many people will get cancer from these machines, what is "acceptible losses"?

    WAIT before you answer, the person that gets cancer is someone YOU KNOW. Oooooh

    But seriously, how many of your family members are you willing to give cancer hmmm? Let's break down the numbers here.

    For me I can say ZERO I want ZERO of my family or friends to die of cancer from these machines.

    I'm just sayin... you decide for yourself though, don't wanna speak for anyone else ...

    When EVERYONE else is telling you that you don't know what the fuck you're talking about, you might want to do yourself a favor and shut the fuck up. Or just keep ranting like a moron.

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    RaneadosRaneados police apologist you shouldn't have been there, obviouslyRegistered User regular
    edited November 2010
    jwalk wrote: »
    Raneados wrote: »
    jwalk wrote: »
    that's their own figures.
    jwalk wrote: »
    that's their own figures.
    jwalk wrote: »
    that's their own figures.

    well, it is.

    No really, tell me how many people will get cancer from these machines, what is "acceptible losses"?

    WAIT before you answer, the person that gets cancer is someone YOU KNOW. Oooooh

    But seriously, how many of your family members are you willing to give cancer hmmm? Let's break down the numbers here.

    For me I can say ZERO I want ZERO of my family or friends to die of cancer from these machines.

    I'm just sayin... you decide for yourself though, don't wanna speak for anyone else ...

    first: tying it to a personal level makes you petty, you're ignoring the facts and you're fearmongering

    second, things that give you cancer: EVERYTHING

    this isn't to say that increased risk is okay, but it is completely foolish to act like you're acting

    unless you're FREAKING OUT over people being outside for a few hours without a hat, you're being a hypocrite. They're getting a dose of radiation that has a one in whatver million chance of giving them cancer. You could certainly stop yourself and those you love from going out in the sun. have them wear layers. But you're not

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    jwalkjwalk Registered User regular
    edited November 2010
    again I get it, you can get HIT BY A BUS TOO OOOH!!

    Ok sure, and you want to add more chances of death to that, no matter how small, for the off chance a TURRIST sneaks a bomb on your plane? Uhhh ok sure go ahead whatever, guess I will just take the train.

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    AneurhythmiaAneurhythmia Registered User regular
    edited November 2010
    Do you understand that an event with a 99.9% chance of occurring could realistically not happen at all?

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    The GeekThe Geek Oh-Two Crew, Omeganaut Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited November 2010
    Dru, settle down buddy. You have a tendency that if people don't agree with you or see your point after a couple of posts, you just start calling names.

    Chillax, dude.

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    Centipede DamascusCentipede Damascus Registered User regular
    edited November 2010
    Verdigris wrote: »
    Twenty million kids are eaten by bats every second.

    you know that you can see out of your windows, but do you realize that others can also see in?

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    UsagiUsagi Nah Registered User regular
    edited November 2010
    jwalk wrote: »
    again I get it, you can get HIT BY A BUS TOO OOOH!!

    Ok sure, and you want to add more chances of death to that, no matter how small, for the off chance a TURRIST sneaks a bomb on your plane? Uhhh ok sure go ahead whatever, guess I will just take the train.

    :/

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    DruhimDruhim Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited November 2010
    jwalk is the weakest link

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    Beef AvengerBeef Avenger Registered User regular
    edited November 2010
    Do you understand that an event with a 99.9% chance of occurring could realistically not happen at all?

    or in this case:

    99.9999967%

    edit: whoops misread

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    Grey GhostGrey Ghost Registered User regular
    edited November 2010
    Raneados wrote: »
    PiptheFair wrote: »
    Usagi wrote: »
    You have a one in six chance of rolling a 2 when you throw a six sided die

    And guess what? The next time you roll the die, you also have a one in six chance of rolling a 2

    I know some dudes that think that if you roll a d20 twenty times you will get a 20

    I tried to explain why they're retarded

    and then they brought up that they got good grades in prob and stat and I cried blood an passed out


    haha have you seen those people that store "preloaded" dice?

    the idea is they roll a dice a lot and if it gets low numbers, they store it away so that the next time they roll it, it rolls higher

    hah

    What

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    DarmakDarmak RAGE vympyvvhyc vyctyvyRegistered User regular
    edited November 2010
    jwalk wrote: »
    again I get it, you can get HIT BY A BUS TOO OOOH!!

    Ok sure, and you want to add more chances of death to that, no matter how small, for the off chance a TURRIST sneaks a bomb on your plane? Uhhh ok sure go ahead whatever, guess I will just take the train.

    I'm willing to take a 1 in 30 million chance to get cancer, that isn't even something worth considering.

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    The GeekThe Geek Oh-Two Crew, Omeganaut Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited November 2010
    I've already gotten cancer, so that means I'm safe from the machines.

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    ArtreusArtreus I'm a wizard And that looks fucked upRegistered User regular
    edited November 2010
    Jwalk. the 1 in a 30 million chances to get cancer.. their very own figures. Does not mean one out of every 30 million people get cancer. There is no "acceptable losses" going on. At all. That is not what the figures mean and that is not what is happening.

    Also druhim, you are being pretty unhelpful with all of your vitriol

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    RaneadosRaneados police apologist you shouldn't have been there, obviouslyRegistered User regular
    edited November 2010
    fact: you have a 1 in 30,000,000 chance of getting fatal cancer from a scanner in one time

    fact: you have a 1 in 10,000,000 chance of dying in any one plane crash if you pick one of the safer 25 airlines


    fact the odds of a civilization-ending asteroid hitting the earth in your lifetime are 1 in 12,500


    jwalk these are their own figures

    their own figures

    their own figures

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