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The Nature Of Evil

Calamity JaneCalamity Jane That Wrong LoveRegistered User regular
edited January 2011 in Social Entropy++
Let's forget that the Nazis existed. (If you don't know who the Nazis are, they were from that first person shooter called World War Two. There were significant upgrades and the addition of newer weapons and better vehicles left many saying the sequel was a vast improvement.)

Some folks say evil is more of a word than anything tangible or real, and is a holdover of mysticism and the belief in a soul. As many of those people that exist in the science community, there are just as many in that same community that believe that love is a tangible thing. Using no emperical evidence whatsoever, I posit that if love is real, evil is real too.

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Cats like Dr. Philip Zombardo believe it's systemic and is tied to power and priviledge.

His famous Stanford Prison experiment gave a bunch of volunteer college students a situation wherein they became prison guards and prisoners respectively. Not only were the findings surprising, but he felt given his power to control the situation, he let it get out of hand.

War, sometimes a dude gotta war. Some people believe the nature of war brings out horrible things in people they'd never do otherwise. Cats in power have others do their bidding, and the observer can relate the atrocities of conflict to their approximation of evil.

Is evil in the eye of the beholder? Is there a baseline for evil we can use where nobody says Hitler?

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  • StaleghotiStaleghoti Registered User regular
    edited December 2010
    Satan = Freedom

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    Dear satan I wish for this or maybe some of this....oh and I'm a medium or a large.
  • Donovan PuppyfuckerDonovan Puppyfucker A dagger in the dark is worth a thousand swords in the morningRegistered User regular
    edited December 2010
    Some people are bad folks?

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  • MonkeyfeetMonkeyfeet Registered User regular
    edited December 2010
    Child rapists are pretty bad. I guess they can be our starting baseline

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  • WeaverWeaver Breakfast Witch Hashus BrowniusRegistered User regular
    edited December 2010
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  • Calamity JaneCalamity Jane That Wrong Love Registered User regular
    edited December 2010
    child rapists are people that might've been molested as kids

    people seem to forget that shit in the rush to demonize the molestor (which i can understand)

    what's worse is there's not much in the way of effective treatment

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  • SaintSaint Registered User regular
    edited December 2010
    Except pedophiles aren't exactly evil, simply fucked up in the head, since their specific fetish was developed during a time of their innocence,only really becoming a problem as they aged.

    EDIT: Yeah, they were probably molested as children.

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  • MonkeyfeetMonkeyfeet Registered User regular
    edited December 2010
    Anjin-San wrote: »
    child rapists are people that might've been molested as kids

    people seem to forget that shit in the rush to demonize the molestor (which i can understand)

    what's worse is there's not much in the way of effective treatment

    alright fine. The act of child rape in the abstract then

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  • SaintSaint Registered User regular
    edited December 2010
    Anjin-San wrote: »
    child rapists are people that might've been molested as kids

    people seem to forget that shit in the rush to demonize the molestor (which i can understand)

    what's worse is there's not much in the way of effective treatment

    Exactly. Until some psycologist out there discovers a way to purge someone of their subconsious fetishes, the only way to stop these sad, sick people is prison or close monitoring

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  • QuothQuoth the Raven Miami, FL FOR REALRegistered User regular
    edited December 2010
    according to granny weatherwax, evil is when you start treating people as things

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  • Calamity JaneCalamity Jane That Wrong Love Registered User regular
    edited December 2010
    what the hell does that even mean

    the act itself, sure. yeah. it's out of societal norms and is sexual abuse. no argument for that

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  • VoproSTEINVoproSTEIN howdyRegistered User regular
    edited December 2010
    The Internet is pretty evil

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  • LiiyaLiiya Registered User regular
    edited December 2010
    Quoth wrote: »
    according to granny weatherwax, evil is when you start treating people as things

    Granny is never wrong.

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  • BahamutZEROBahamutZERO Registered User regular
    edited December 2010
    are we saying then that one should "hate the game, and not the player"?

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  • skettiosskettios Enchanted ForestRegistered User regular
    edited December 2010
    Quoth wrote: »
    according to granny weatherwax, evil is when you start treating people as things

    I think I can get behind this.

    Liiya wrote: »
    Quoth wrote: »
    according to granny weatherwax, evil is when you start treating people as things

    Granny is never wrong.

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  • Calamity JaneCalamity Jane That Wrong Love Registered User regular
    edited December 2010
    it is evil, but the bitch here is intent

    a child rapist intends to do that bad thing, but is divorced from the mindset to not do that bad thing, or knows the act is an evil act yet knows no other way. either because of abuse, or lack of control mentally

    i'm not saying outright that someone's doomed to be like that, and they're absolved of wrongdoing but people sometimes forget shit is not always in someone's sphere of control

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  • Muse Among MenMuse Among Men Suburban Bunny Princess? Its time for a new shtick Registered User regular
    edited December 2010
    Child molesters are at least more repugnant than pedophiles, because being a pedophile doesn't mean acting upon those desires.

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  • MonkeyfeetMonkeyfeet Registered User regular
    edited December 2010
    I think being raped as a child perpetuates suffering, yes

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  • MysstMysst King Monkey of Hedonism IslandRegistered User regular
    edited December 2010
    Liiya wrote: »
    Quoth wrote: »
    according to granny weatherwax, evil is when you start treating people as things

    Granny ain't never wrong.

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  • Calamity JaneCalamity Jane That Wrong Love Registered User regular
    edited December 2010
    this some fruedian shit

    why's it whenever someone says evil, ya'll think of someone fucking a kid

    i don't mean this in a condemning tone or maybe i totally do

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  • Donovan PuppyfuckerDonovan Puppyfucker A dagger in the dark is worth a thousand swords in the morningRegistered User regular
    edited December 2010
    skettios wrote: »
    Quoth wrote: »
    according to granny weatherwax, evil is when you start treating people as things

    I think I can get behind this.

    Liiya wrote: »
    Quoth wrote: »
    according to granny weatherwax, evil is when you start treating people as things

    Granny is never wrong.

    All this love for the witches makes me happy!

    True evil is Terry Pratchett developing Alzheimers. Why him, and not someone like Glenn Beck?

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  • QuothQuoth the Raven Miami, FL FOR REALRegistered User regular
    edited December 2010
    isn't that kant's imperative, by the by

    the not treating people as things idea

    or is it another philosopher whose name escapes me at present

    edit: i know his IMPERATIVE is basically the golden rule, i mean isn't that also one of his ideas

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  • skettiosskettios Enchanted ForestRegistered User regular
    edited December 2010
    skettios wrote: »
    Quoth wrote: »
    according to granny weatherwax, evil is when you start treating people as things

    I think I can get behind this.

    Liiya wrote: »
    Quoth wrote: »
    according to granny weatherwax, evil is when you start treating people as things

    Granny is never wrong.

    All this love for the witches makes me happy!

    True evil is Terry Pratchett developing Alzheimers. Why him, and not someone like Glenn Beck?

    I know, right? :(

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  • pots+panspots+pans Registered User regular
    edited December 2010
    My psychology teacher went to a conference led by Zimbardo. Apparently he was kind of a creep, hitting on girls 30 years younger than him. I like that Milgram experiment more I think

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  • Muse Among MenMuse Among Men Suburban Bunny Princess? Its time for a new shtick Registered User regular
    edited December 2010
    Saint wrote: »
    Anjin-San wrote: »
    child rapists are people that might've been molested as kids

    people seem to forget that shit in the rush to demonize the molestor (which i can understand)

    what's worse is there's not much in the way of effective treatment

    Exactly. Until some psycologist out there discovers a way to purge someone of their subconsious fetishes, the only way to stop these sad, sick people is prison or close monitoring

    I feel particularly bad for those pedophiles that never do anything. They can't lead normal, happy lives and I'm sure many of them would like to be normal but there is no way to fix them.

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  • Calamity JaneCalamity Jane That Wrong Love Registered User regular
    edited December 2010
    it opens a weirder door

    are certain mental illnesses necessarily one in the same as evil

    hate to put it in those terms but can malice always be tied to being fucked in the head

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  • MonkeyfeetMonkeyfeet Registered User regular
    edited December 2010
    Alright child molesters and Hitler are off the table. Evil doesn't exist

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  • QuothQuoth the Raven Miami, FL FOR REALRegistered User regular
    edited December 2010
    ah ok yes i am thinking of kant, phew
    With regard to morality, Kant argued that the source of the good lies not in anything outside the human subject, either in nature or given by God, but rather is only the good will itself. A good will is one that acts from duty in accordance with the universal moral law that the autonomous human being freely gives itself. This law obliges one to treat humanity – understood as rational agency, and represented through oneself as well as others – as an end in itself rather than (merely) as means to other ends the individual might hold.

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  • PiptheFairPiptheFair Frequently not in boats. Registered User regular
    edited December 2010
    fuck kant

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  • QuothQuoth the Raven Miami, FL FOR REALRegistered User regular
    edited December 2010
    PiptheFair wrote: »
    fuck kant

    only if you want him to fuck you back

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  • PiptheFairPiptheFair Frequently not in boats. Registered User regular
    edited December 2010
    I really, really hate kant

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  • QuothQuoth the Raven Miami, FL FOR REALRegistered User regular
    edited December 2010
    damn it pip my joke was really funny
    to me :(

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  • PiptheFairPiptheFair Frequently not in boats. Registered User regular
    edited December 2010
    like

    I can understand not using people as a means to an end

    but the dudes worldview was so narrow I can't really take anything he wrote seriously

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  • CorporateLogoCorporateLogo The toilet knows how I feelRegistered User regular
    edited December 2010
    His worldview kan't be as narrow as Hobbes

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  • PiptheFairPiptheFair Frequently not in boats. Registered User regular
    edited December 2010
    His worldview kan't be as narrow as Hobbes

    much more actually and I hate you

    also t anjin: you put stanford prison but did not include the milgram experiment or kohlberg's theory

    shame

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  • ProjeckProjeck Registered User regular
    edited December 2010
    anjin i found out who you look like
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  • StaleStale Registered User regular
    edited December 2010
    Stale on
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  • LiiyaLiiya Registered User regular
    edited December 2010

    All this love for the witches makes me happy!

    Quoth, Skettios and I are the witches, you see.

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  • ProjeckProjeck Registered User regular
    edited December 2010
    the dude looks more like anjin when you're lookin' straight at him but i mean

    the resemblance is there

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  • Calamity JaneCalamity Jane That Wrong Love Registered User regular
    edited December 2010
    Projeck wrote: »
    anjin i found out who you look like
    K3vSR.jpg

    also, wayne from waynes world considering the chin

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  • ProjeckProjeck Registered User regular
    edited December 2010
    you don't look a thing like mike myers

    don't give me that sass

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