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How to get someone to like the greatest show of all time?

Fizban140Fizban140 Registered User, __BANNED USERS regular
edited February 2011 in Help / Advice Forum
So my brother has seen the first three episodes of Arrested Development and he just doesn't want to watch anymore, he doesn't like the characters and he doesn't think the jokes are funny. I just don't understand how any slightly intelligent person could refrain from bursts of laughter while watching this show. It gets much better in the later seasons but I can't convince him to watch anymore at all.

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  • LailLail Surrey, B.C.Registered User regular
    edited February 2011
    You have three options here:

    1) Ask him politely to give it another try
    2) Pay him to watch some more
    3) Realize people have different tastes in what they find entertaining

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  • BoomShakeBoomShake The Engineer Columbia, MDRegistered User regular
    edited February 2011
    You could try explaining to him that a lot of the humor, once the series gets going, comes from recurring inside jokes, which he won't experience or understand from a few episodes.

    But don't push it too hard. Not everyone is going to like it. That's life.

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  • Fizban140Fizban140 Registered User, __BANNED USERS regular
    edited February 2011
    I tried explaining the jokes and the layers but he just doesn't like to think about it, I might try paying him though but only if he agrees to say that it is the best show whenever asked.

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  • ceresceres When the last moon is cast over the last star of morning And the future has past without even a last desperate warningRegistered User, Moderator mod
    edited February 2011
    I enjoyed it up until about five episodes in, right up until I realized that basically every single character is a terrible, terrible person, and then I didn't care anymore because I don't need to watch another show about people being terrible. So I can kind of understand where he's coming from.

    I love lots of shows that I think are very intelligent that very intelligent people I know find boring. It just happens, and the more you badger him about it the less likely he is to want to sit down to it ever again on principle.

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  • SpoitSpoit *twitch twitch* Registered User regular
    edited February 2011
    The only way I was able to get my parents to watch community was to sit there and watch it with them.

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  • IrukaIruka Registered User, Moderator mod
    edited February 2011
    Forcing people to watch stuff can be hard. I know I avoid movies, no matter how good they may be, because I simply dont want to sit down for the 90 minutes and give it a chance.

    Hyping it will just make me want to see it less. If your bro is like me, I would be as casual as possible with the suggesting.

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  • VisionOfClarityVisionOfClarity Registered User regular
    edited February 2011
    ceres wrote: »
    I enjoyed it up until about five episodes in, right up until I realized that basically every single character is a terrible, terrible person, and then I didn't care anymore because I don't need to watch another show about people being terrible. So I can kind of understand where he's coming from.

    I love lots of shows that I think are very intelligent that very intelligent people I know find boring. It just happens, and the more you badger him about it the less likely he is to want to sit down to it ever again on principle.

    You made it 3 episodes further than I did!

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  • MKRMKR Registered User regular
    edited February 2011
    Liking something can't be coerced. At best they'll fake it to get you to quit bothering them.

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  • TychoCelchuuuTychoCelchuuu PIGEON Registered User regular
    edited February 2011
    You could show him Firefly.

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  • japanjapan Registered User regular
    edited February 2011
    I'm really not sure what your motivation is here. People either like things or they don't, you can't really talk someone into liking something.

    If it really does improve with later episodes, try convincing him to watch those.

    (for the record I don't think Arrested Development is very funny)

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  • MKRMKR Registered User regular
    edited February 2011
    For example, I didn't like Firefly. But I don't fault people for liking it because I know people like different things.

    We live on a very diverse planet.

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  • Baron DirigibleBaron Dirigible Registered User regular
    edited February 2011
    Yeah, I'm not such a big fan of AD either. I heard great things, I watched the first two episodes, I went back to watching my paint dry. That said: I did see most of a later episode a few years back at a friend's house, and found it really funny. Maybe show him one of the better episodes from a later season. Maybe he'll find bits of it funny and care enough to actually watch the rest so he can understand the injokes. Maybe he won't. Whatever. I think it's a better strategy than expecting him to waste hours of his time watching a show he doesn't find funny on the grounds that it totally gets better, man! You need to have this background knowledge to appreciate an offhand quip in S6E05!

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  • ceresceres When the last moon is cast over the last star of morning And the future has past without even a last desperate warningRegistered User, Moderator mod
    edited February 2011
    ceres wrote: »
    I enjoyed it up until about five episodes in, right up until I realized that basically every single character is a terrible, terrible person, and then I didn't care anymore because I don't need to watch another show about people being terrible. So I can kind of understand where he's coming from.

    I love lots of shows that I think are very intelligent that very intelligent people I know find boring. It just happens, and the more you badger him about it the less likely he is to want to sit down to it ever again on principle.

    You made it 3 episodes further than I did!

    I'd argue here that the brother is perhaps more than slightly intelligent and that's why he doesn't think it's funny.

    I'd just let it go. Find something else to enjoy with him.

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  • VisionOfClarityVisionOfClarity Registered User regular
    edited February 2011
    ceres wrote: »
    ceres wrote: »
    I enjoyed it up until about five episodes in, right up until I realized that basically every single character is a terrible, terrible person, and then I didn't care anymore because I don't need to watch another show about people being terrible. So I can kind of understand where he's coming from.

    I love lots of shows that I think are very intelligent that very intelligent people I know find boring. It just happens, and the more you badger him about it the less likely he is to want to sit down to it ever again on principle.

    You made it 3 episodes further than I did!

    I'd argue here that the brother is perhaps more than slightly intelligent and that's why he doesn't think it's funny.

    I'd just let it go. Find something else to enjoy with him.

    And if you know that the show is better in later episodes then have the first one you show him be a really, really good episode so that he's interested in watching more.

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  • Kate of LokysKate of Lokys Registered User regular
    edited February 2011
    Everything's funnier with alcohol! Pixels has been watching the entire series run of That 70s Show on Netflix, and let me tell you, after a few B-52s, that shit is hilarious.

    On a related note, you could always try one of the many Arrested Development drinking games kicking around the internet. If you really think that understanding the in-jokes is crucial to enjoying Arrested Development, what better way to draw attention to them than with booze?

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  • KalTorakKalTorak One way or another, they all end up in the Undercity.Registered User regular
    edited February 2011
    In my experience in trying to make people like things, if the things themselves don't make people like them, there's very little you can do. Making people watch shows or movies or talking about how great they are often just makes people resist more. I'd just back off - actively pursuing it isn't going to help your case. Either he'll come around on his own (and part of enjoying a lot of things is the sense of discovery you get from finding out how good something is), or he won't. There isn't a lot you can do to encourage the former.

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  • HevachHevach Registered User regular
    edited February 2011
    And if you know that the show is better in later episodes then have the first one you show him be a really, really good episode so that he's interested in watching more.

    This, seriously. "It gets better, trust me," isn't a hook. If you want to get somebody hooked on a series, you roll out a few exemplary episodes for them.

    And if that doesn't work, be prepared to either drop it or be dragged into an argument forcing you to objectively evaluate just how much of the best show ever it is. Because your post reminds me very much of my college roommate trying to sell me on Dragonball Z. The first three episodes didn't do it, the "Best episode ever seriously even if you don't like the rest this is awesome" didn't do it, and it was three months before he shut up about it.

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  • ImprovoloneImprovolone Registered User regular
    edited February 2011
    You could start by showing him Frasier instead of some other show first.

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  • Feels Good ManFeels Good Man Registered User regular
    edited February 2011
    Arrested Development is probably the best TV series of all time, but it starts really slow and has real character development

    it's understandable if people don't like the first few episodes, the pilot is probably the worst episode of the entire series


    show him the one where the japanese investors come over and witness a fight between a gigantic mole and a jetpack man. if he doesn't like that, fuck em

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  • GodfatherGodfather Registered User regular
    edited February 2011
    Iruka wrote: »
    Hyping it will just make me want to see it less. If your bro is like me, I would be as casual as possible with the suggesting.

    This. A thousand times this.

    I passed on shows like Avatar and AD because I had to put up with this nonsense. It's great if they like it, but they don't have to remind me every five minutes.

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  • KalTorakKalTorak One way or another, they all end up in the Undercity.Registered User regular
    edited February 2011
    In fact when one of my friends was selling me on Firefly (which had been hyped a lot by fans, obv), he started me on "War Stories," not the Pilot. When I was getting my gf into The Office (US), I started with the Olympic episode from Season 2. I had to start 30 Rock on Season 2 before I started enjoying it.

    TV shows often take a few episodes or a rocky first season before they find their voice.

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  • John MatrixJohn Matrix Registered User regular
    edited February 2011
    Ugh, his is a tough one. The first time I watched the first two episodes I gave up and didn't think it was funny. My wife had me watch it a few years later and I was hooked from episode two or three when buster said: "It's a bird! It walked on my pillow!"

    I was in tears after that. I think he just needs to watch it until he finds his "holy shit I can't breathe" moment.

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  • BlindZenDriverBlindZenDriver Registered User regular
    edited February 2011
    I thought this thread would be about Top Gear (UK) :-)

    Never mind the point is, as others here have mentioned, that not everyone will share your taste (be it in shows, candy, wine...). Still we must all do our best to help others see the true light and one way is then to highlight some of the best episodes. Like if I were to learn someone to appreciate Top Gear (UK) I'd shown them the show were they have a race to the North Pole between a car and a dog sled, or perhaps the show where they go in search for the best driving road in the World or perhaps the show were they have a race between a Bugatti Veyron and a plane going from Italy to England... :-)


    Now go watch Top Gear: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z_2D2xuflyQ

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  • flowerhoneyflowerhoney Registered User regular
    edited February 2011
    An ex of mine was crazy about AD, he thought it was the greatest show ever (kinda like you OP) but I just didnt get it. We tried watching some early episodes and some later episodes together but I just didnt get it.
    I feel the same way about Always Sunny in Philadelphia and Seinfeld, the characters are just so mean! They all have funny moments, but I couldn't bear watching a full episode...

    He just thinks its boring, he probably just needs some encouragement to keep watching until it gets good (thats how I felt about Lost) but if he doesnt like the way the characters act then its probably a lost cause

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  • AdusAdus Registered User regular
    edited February 2011
    I didn't care for AD at all. At all. It's not even that the characters are mean because I love It's Always Sunny. I don't know. None of the jokes stuck to me.

    I know for fans of the show it seems impossible that someone could dislike it, but it's possible. I know I'm sort of just repeating above posts, but I guess I'm just trying to emphasize the point that you can't make someone like something.

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  • Fizban140Fizban140 Registered User, __BANNED USERS regular
    edited February 2011
    I really don't think you are suppose to be able to relate to the characters in Arrested Development, they are just super rich people destroying their lives through selfishness, arrogance and ignorance, and it is funny the whole way through.

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  • ceresceres When the last moon is cast over the last star of morning And the future has past without even a last desperate warningRegistered User, Moderator mod
    edited February 2011
    Yeah, except that's not even the slightest bit funny to me. It's just sad. I didn't get more than a chuckle out of the 2-3 hours I spent on it, just increasingly disgusted by everyone involved. It might not be funny to your brother either for a similar reason. At some point you may have to accept that you two have different senses of humor.

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  • Fizban140Fizban140 Registered User, __BANNED USERS regular
    edited February 2011
    :(

    I guess some people just get emotionally attached to characters/shows, I just see it as a platform for jokes and such...and see how all the ideas come together on the show.

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  • flowerhoneyflowerhoney Registered User regular
    edited February 2011
    Some people just dont like shows about assholes

    its okay

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  • Fizban140Fizban140 Registered User, __BANNED USERS regular
    edited February 2011
    That is the thing I don't get though, he loves It's Always Sunny...he says they aren't assholes just idiots. I don't understand that though, It's Always Sunny follows some of the biggest assholes in television (exluding drama, fuck off Sopranos) and everyone loves that show.

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  • ceresceres When the last moon is cast over the last star of morning And the future has past without even a last desperate warningRegistered User, Moderator mod
    edited February 2011
    I don't love that show, either. But then I'm a strange one, and I don't enjoy watching idiots or the ignorant any more than I enjoy watching assholes.

    It kind of sounds like a combination of him hating the characters and being bored with it.

    Why does this bother you so much? Does it mean something to you? Can't you just find something else to share with him?

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  • flowerhoneyflowerhoney Registered User regular
    edited February 2011
    uhhhhhh yeah okay thats pretty weird

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  • NappuccinoNappuccino Surveyor of Things and Stuff Registered User regular
    edited February 2011
    I never really felt that the characters in AD were that mean... probably because the show has such a light-comic tone the whole way through. It seems like a living cartoon so its much easier to not take anything seriously and just enjoy the inspired gags.

    You guys are making it sound like its the british version of the the office.

    edit: but all is neither here nor there. If you really want your bro to give the show another shot, just wait a couple weeks or more, sit down and start watching it and invite him to hang out.

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  • EggyToastEggyToast Jersey CityRegistered User regular
    edited February 2011
    ceres wrote: »
    I don't love that show, either. But then I'm a strange one, and I don't enjoy watching idiots or the ignorant any more than I enjoy watching assholes.

    It kind of sounds like a combination of him hating the characters and being bored with it.

    Why does this bother you so much? Does it mean something to you? Can't you just find something else to share with him?

    I'm in the same boat you are, Ceres, and it's definitely not an uncommon feeling. For example, hopping into movies, I found Meet The Parents and Something About Mary to be depressing, not funny, despite not being about mean people and supposedly having funny jokes? It turned me off of all Ben Stiller stuff.

    Comedy that centers around a character's ignorance (as in, they are unaware of something and shit happens anyway) doesn't appeal to me. I mean, it's not that every situation needs to be "a thinker," and a scene where someone pulls a prank on someone or something "unintentional" happens and is funny is still funny, and I enjoy it. I just don't get into it when it's the entire premise.

    I've been tempted to watch AD but it's never given me a reason to get me to watch. I have a friend with very similar tastes to myself and she said she watched a few episodes but it didn't do anything for her, so I'm pretty skeptical.

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  • LadyMLadyM Registered User regular
    edited February 2011
    I don't understand why this is such a big deal to you, OP. My sister's crazy about Pride & Prejudice (she has a bunch of different shows/mini-series of it), but she doesn't care that I'm not into it. And I don't care that my sister isn't into How I Met Your Mother. Let it goooo.

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  • EdcrabEdcrab Actually a hack Registered User regular
    edited February 2011
    Huh, looks like people have already said all the sensible stuff. There's a good chance it's just not for him; by all means try and lure him in by suggesting he watch some golden episodes, but don't be surprised if you just end up irritating your brother and getting no further.

    And it's got nothing to do with intelligence, just taste. I utterly despise a few critically acclaimed UK comedies/dramedies/whatever but by no means would I imply that anyone who enjoys them must be lacking in the brain department.

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  • Modern ManModern Man Registered User regular
    edited February 2011
    Fizban140 wrote: »
    I really don't think you are suppose to be able to relate to the characters in Arrested Development, they are just super rich people destroying their lives through selfishness, arrogance and ignorance, and it is funny the whole way through.
    I don't think it's very surprising that many people would be turned off by a show with that type of tone. I can't stand Arrested Development and Seinfeld for those reasons.

    Arrested Development is a love it or hate it show. I don't think you can get your brother into it if he finds the tone of the show to be unattractive.

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  • oldsakoldsak Registered User regular
    edited February 2011
    My girlfriend didn't like AD until I sat down and watched it with her.

    I told her she probably didn't think it was funny originally because there isn't any canned or audience laughter.

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  • Fizban140Fizban140 Registered User, __BANNED USERS regular
    edited February 2011
    ceres wrote: »
    I don't love that show, either. But then I'm a strange one, and I don't enjoy watching idiots or the ignorant any more than I enjoy watching assholes.

    It kind of sounds like a combination of him hating the characters and being bored with it.

    Why does this bother you so much? Does it mean something to you? Can't you just find something else to share with him?

    He is my twin brother and we have quite similar interests so I just don't think he is giving it a chance.

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  • ceresceres When the last moon is cast over the last star of morning And the future has past without even a last desperate warningRegistered User, Moderator mod
    edited February 2011
    Fizban140 wrote: »
    ceres wrote: »
    I don't love that show, either. But then I'm a strange one, and I don't enjoy watching idiots or the ignorant any more than I enjoy watching assholes.

    It kind of sounds like a combination of him hating the characters and being bored with it.

    Why does this bother you so much? Does it mean something to you? Can't you just find something else to share with him?

    He is my twin brother and we have quite similar interests so I just don't think he is giving it a chance.

    Okay, but again, why do you care so much? He probably feels like he did give it a chance after a few episodes, but even if he didn't, who cares? He doesn't want to watch a TV show, there will be other things. It just feels from the tone of your posts like you feel this is something that requires action, but it really isn't.

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