The new forums will be named Coin Return (based on the most recent vote)! You can check on the status and timeline of the transition to the new forums here.
We now return to our regularly scheduled PA Forums. Please let me (Hahnsoo1) know if something isn't working. The Holiday Forum will remain up until January 10, 2025.

[Mini] - WoD of Darkness Game Over! Vampire Victory!

145791015

Posts

  • garroad_rangarroad_ran Registered User regular
    edited April 2011
    Why are you calling him the vig? Calling a kill hours before vote close proves absolutely nothing.

    garroad_ran on
  • FiarynFiaryn Omnicidal Madman Registered User regular
    edited April 2011
    3clipse wrote: »
    Fiaryn, why are you trying to vote out the vig?

    why

    BECAUSE I DIDN'T READ THE PART OF THE OP THAT STATES THIS IS MORE OF A TRADITIONAL GAME AND THOUGHT IT WAS A DUAL MAFIA CLUSTERFUCK :<

    Fiaryn on
    Soul Silver FC: 1935 3141 6240
    White FC: 0819 3350 1787
  • 3cl1ps33cl1ps3 I will build a labyrinth to house the cheese Registered User regular
    edited April 2011
    What possible reason would there be for the vig to follow through on that kill call?

    garroad_ran is trying too hard to get the vig killed.

    3cl1ps3 on
  • Sir FabulousSir Fabulous Malevolent Squid God Registered User regular
    edited April 2011
    Ringo does that kind of thing all the time. Personally, I wouldn't put any stock in it. Unless he comes back and personally confirms it.

    Sir Fabulous on
    pickup-sig.php?name=Orthanc

    Switch Friend Code: SW-1406-1275-7906
  • PhyphorPhyphor Building Planet Busters Tasting FruitRegistered User regular
    edited April 2011
    Actually, I don't think I've seen Ringo successfully call a kill before

    Phyphor on
  • real_pochaccoreal_pochacco Registered User regular
    edited April 2011
    Ringo does that kind of thing all the time. Personally, I wouldn't put any stock in it. Unless he comes back and personally confirms it.

    All right, regardless, the actual vig would have no incentive to call Ringo's shot. I mean, what the fuck people, is there something I'm missing here?

    real_pochacco on
  • real_pochaccoreal_pochacco Registered User regular
    edited April 2011
    Phyphor wrote: »
    Actually, I don't think I've seen Ringo successfully call a kill before

    The good vig would have every incentive to not call Ringo's shot, because it would reveal he was lying. The only reason I can think of for the vig to call Ringo's shot, on second thought, would be to throw the mafia off the scent. But that doesn't seem worth the confusion among the village it would cause and the chance that Ringo actually was mafia or something like that.

    real_pochacco on
  • FiarynFiaryn Omnicidal Madman Registered User regular
    edited April 2011
    Ringo does that kind of thing all the time. Personally, I wouldn't put any stock in it. Unless he comes back and personally confirms it.

    All right, regardless, the actual vig would have no incentive to call Ringo's shot. I mean, what the fuck people, is there something I'm missing here?

    WHAT YOU'RE FUCKING MISSING IS THAT WHILE THERE'S NO PARTICULAR REASON TO VOTE OUT RINGO, THERE'S ALSO NO PARTICULAR REASON TO ASSUME THE VIGS KILL COINCIDED WITH RINGOS CALL FOR NO PARTICULAR REASON. MAYBE HE JUST HAD ZERO FUCKS TO GIVE ABOUT RINGOS BOASTING. WHO KNOWS.

    THE POINT IS THAT GIVEN RINGOS HISTORY THERE'S REASON TO BELIEVE HE AIN'T SHIT. HAVE YOU CONSIDERED THAT THE VIG DIDN'T EVEN READ RINGOS BULLSHIT?

    Fiaryn on
    Soul Silver FC: 1935 3141 6240
    White FC: 0819 3350 1787
  • romanqwertyromanqwerty Registered User regular
    edited April 2011
    Fiaryn wrote: »
    3clipse wrote: »
    Fiaryn, why are you trying to vote out the vig?

    why

    BECAUSE I DIDN'T READ THE PART OF THE OP THAT STATES THIS IS MORE OF A TRADITIONAL GAME AND THOUGHT IT WAS A DUAL MAFIA CLUSTERFUCK :<

    Its not?

    Pretty sure my PM says that I need the werewolves gone just as much as I need the vampires gone so I don't know why people are assuming that the werewolves are good.

    Colours mean shit all people. There's been countless games where the traditional colour scheme has no meaning on actual game mechanics.

    However, what is telling is the sheer amount of kills and the lack of any non-werewolf/vampire ones. To me, that atleast means that we can't be expected to fight both of them and either they need to kill eachother (likely) or one of them is on our team.

    Also Capfalcon is mafia, merely by virtue of me being awesome at picking out mafia day 1. I'm not actually a seer and if I was, how would I call him out that early anyway?

    Lastly, I wouldn't mind hearing if ringo is actually some sort of vig rather than just some rube being framed by the werewolves.

    romanqwerty on
  • 3cl1ps33cl1ps3 I will build a labyrinth to house the cheese Registered User regular
    edited April 2011
    It did say "Vampires go home," not "Vampires are defeated."

    Which is odd wording.

    3cl1ps3 on
  • Ghostly ClockworkGhostly Clockwork Registered User regular
    edited April 2011
    OoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOo

    Not my precious insides! I need those!

    OoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOo

    Ghostly Clockwork on
    FTC: honk.
    FTC: HONK.

    HLRpxno.png
    PAX Prime 2014 Resistance Tournament Winner
  • Sir FabulousSir Fabulous Malevolent Squid God Registered User regular
    edited April 2011
    Huh. It could just be happenstance. The vig was targeting whomever and couldn't change it after Ringo's "reveal".

    All I'm saying is, wait for some confirmation before jumping to conclusions.

    Sir Fabulous on
    pickup-sig.php?name=Orthanc

    Switch Friend Code: SW-1406-1275-7906
  • romanqwertyromanqwerty Registered User regular
    edited April 2011
    Phyphor wrote: »
    Actually, I don't think I've seen Ringo successfully call a kill before

    The good vig would have every incentive to not call Ringo's shot, because it would reveal he was lying. The only reason I can think of for the vig to call Ringo's shot, on second thought, would be to throw the mafia off the scent. But that doesn't seem worth the confusion among the village it would cause and the chance that Ringo actually was mafia or something like that.

    Err what?

    Ringo calls kills all the time. He fucked up and called one early.

    The vig could easily see that and think " i know, i'll hit alegis so that the village/mafia think Ringo is the vig".

    OR

    He could have just fucked up.


    I think the former is more likely as in the case of the latter, he could change his kill.

    romanqwerty on
  • real_pochaccoreal_pochacco Registered User regular
    edited April 2011
    Huh. It could just be happenstance. The vig was targeting whomever and couldn't change it after Ringo's "reveal".

    All I'm saying is, wait for some confirmation before jumping to conclusions.

    Yes, there is a 1 in 30 chance of that happening (or whatever).

    I'm not saying that Ringo is definitely the vig, what I am saying is that he is mostly likely the vig and that people auto-voting for him need to stfu.

    Also:
    The OP wrote:
    This is mostly a standard phalla, with no really odd powers. There is a mafia, out to dominate, control, and feed off humanity. The majority of players will be your average, run of the mill human beings, just trying to get by. They are not interested in being dominated, controlled, and fed off. Thankfully, there is also a group of individuals who are also not to keen on that happening. There are no conversions, thralls, or millers.

    real_pochacco on
  • Sir FabulousSir Fabulous Malevolent Squid God Registered User regular
    edited April 2011
    Personally, I think that the Werewolves leave once they deal with the vampires. That's why the vampires need to be eliminated, while the Werewolves simply need to leave us alone.

    Sir Fabulous on
    pickup-sig.php?name=Orthanc

    Switch Friend Code: SW-1406-1275-7906
  • FiarynFiaryn Omnicidal Madman Registered User regular
    edited April 2011
    Fiaryn wrote: »
    3clipse wrote: »
    Fiaryn, why are you trying to vote out the vig?

    why

    BECAUSE I DIDN'T READ THE PART OF THE OP THAT STATES THIS IS MORE OF A TRADITIONAL GAME AND THOUGHT IT WAS A DUAL MAFIA CLUSTERFUCK :<

    Its not?

    Pretty sure my PM says that I need the werewolves gone just as much as I need the vampires gone so I don't know why people are assuming that the werewolves are good.

    Colours mean shit all people. There's been countless games where the traditional colour scheme has no meaning on actual game mechanics.

    WOOP WOOP ALL ABOARD THE READING RAINBOW

    "There is a mafia, out to dominate, control, and feed off humanity. The majority of players will be your average, run of the mill human beings, just trying to get by. They are not interested in being dominated, controlled, and fed off. Thankfully, there is also a group of individuals who are also not to keen on that happening."

    A MAFIA, SINGULAR. A GROUP THAT ISN'T INTERESTED IN BEING DOMINATED, CONTROLLED, OR FED OFF OF. SSSSSSSINGULAR. THAT'S THE WOLFIES. THEY'RE ON OUR SIDE.

    Fiaryn on
    Soul Silver FC: 1935 3141 6240
    White FC: 0819 3350 1787
  • real_pochaccoreal_pochacco Registered User regular
    edited April 2011
    Phyphor wrote: »
    Actually, I don't think I've seen Ringo successfully call a kill before

    The good vig would have every incentive to not call Ringo's shot, because it would reveal he was lying. The only reason I can think of for the vig to call Ringo's shot, on second thought, would be to throw the mafia off the scent. But that doesn't seem worth the confusion among the village it would cause and the chance that Ringo actually was mafia or something like that.

    Err what?

    Ringo calls kills all the time. He fucked up and called one early.

    The vig could easily see that and think " i know, i'll hit alegis so that the village/mafia think Ringo is the vig".

    This just seems like terrible strategy on the vig's part, but ok.

    real_pochacco on
  • WhiteZinfandelWhiteZinfandel Your insides Let me show you themRegistered User regular
    edited April 2011
    People are strange. There's a decent chance Ringo actually is the lupine, but no way in hell am I entrusting a kill or information to those odds.

    E: Also I'm not convinced green text necessarily means village-aligned. The guy with frozen insides was killed by green text and that sounds neither werewolf-y nor good.

    WhiteZinfandel on
  • romanqwertyromanqwerty Registered User regular
    edited April 2011
    Yeah, you're starting to convince me. It just very strange choice of words in the win condition and i'm not sure I believe that it has no reason for being there.

    romanqwerty on
  • Sir FabulousSir Fabulous Malevolent Squid God Registered User regular
    edited April 2011
    I think we can all agree that until Ringo gets on and confirms either one way or another, about calling the kill, this conversation can only go in loops. Let's talk about other stuff.


    So... That Wyrm... He sounds pretty bad eh?

    Sir Fabulous on
    pickup-sig.php?name=Orthanc

    Switch Friend Code: SW-1406-1275-7906
  • 3cl1ps33cl1ps3 I will build a labyrinth to house the cheese Registered User regular
    edited April 2011
    Judging by the colors I think the Werewolves are friendlies.

    3cl1ps3 on
  • romanqwertyromanqwerty Registered User regular
    edited April 2011
    Phyphor wrote: »
    Actually, I don't think I've seen Ringo successfully call a kill before

    The good vig would have every incentive to not call Ringo's shot, because it would reveal he was lying. The only reason I can think of for the vig to call Ringo's shot, on second thought, would be to throw the mafia off the scent. But that doesn't seem worth the confusion among the village it would cause and the chance that Ringo actually was mafia or something like that.

    Err what?

    Ringo calls kills all the time. He fucked up and called one early.

    The vig could easily see that and think " i know, i'll hit alegis so that the village/mafia think Ringo is the vig".

    This just seems like terrible strategy on the vig's part, but ok.

    Lol really?

    If I was a vig i'd do it. Then the mafia would waste a kill on Ringo instead of a kill that could potentially hit a special.

    romanqwerty on
  • real_pochaccoreal_pochacco Registered User regular
    edited April 2011
    Phyphor wrote: »
    Actually, I don't think I've seen Ringo successfully call a kill before

    The good vig would have every incentive to not call Ringo's shot, because it would reveal he was lying. The only reason I can think of for the vig to call Ringo's shot, on second thought, would be to throw the mafia off the scent. But that doesn't seem worth the confusion among the village it would cause and the chance that Ringo actually was mafia or something like that.

    Err what?

    Ringo calls kills all the time. He fucked up and called one early.

    The vig could easily see that and think " i know, i'll hit alegis so that the village/mafia think Ringo is the vig".

    This just seems like terrible strategy on the vig's part, but ok.

    Lol really?

    If I was a vig i'd do it. Then the mafia would waste a kill on Ringo instead of a kill that could potentially hit a special.

    Alternatively, the village would spend the next day trying to figure out distracted trying to figure out wtf is with Ringo.

    I think that could be pretty risky, anyway, because if Ringo turned out to be mafia that would be awkward. But I guess then the actual vig would just step forward.

    I'm confused, though - does it matter what Ringo says when he comes in? If he claims to be the vig then either:

    A) He's decided to keep up the ruse for at least another day, having realized that the vig wants to hide out.
    B) He's actually the vig.

    Regardless of which is the case, it seems to me that the best play for him to do in either case is to claim he's the vig. Right?

    real_pochacco on
  • romanqwertyromanqwerty Registered User regular
    edited April 2011
    The problem isn't with Ringo, its whether or not the werewolves are village alligned, that's creating the clusterfuck.

    The best bet for us at the moment, is to just ignore it until we get more information and talk about who we think is mafia.

    3 possibilities i see.

    3clipse wrote: »
    Holy bodies batman.
    3clipse with mafia tourettes.

    and kuhlmeye or capfalcon with throwaway votes late in the day.

    romanqwerty on
  • 3cl1ps33cl1ps3 I will build a labyrinth to house the cheese Registered User regular
    edited April 2011
    I wish I were mafia.

    Then I'd get to have ANGST

    3cl1ps3 on
  • cj iwakuracj iwakura The Rhythm Regent Bears The Name FreedomRegistered User regular
    edited April 2011
    Chill of the windsaber?

    Insides frozen?


    Well, there's a Brujah in them Kindred, sounds like someone got Puissance Smashed.

    cj iwakura on
    z48g7weaopj2.png
  • garroad_rangarroad_ran Registered User regular
    edited April 2011
    Ok, ringo "calls his kill," supposedly having mistaken the vote close time.

    He is subsequently reminded of the correct vote close time, and doesn't change his kill?

    Once again: there is no reason to believe or suspect that ringo is the vig.



    3clipse wrote: »
    It did say "Vampires go home," not "Vampires are defeated."

    Which is odd wording.

    Sample Villager Role PM
    You are a normal person. You eat, sleep and try to live from day to day. You are largely ignorant of the creatures that walk among you. They are legends, fairy tales, nothing that a real honest adult would believe in. You are just trying to get by without being killed.
    You will achieve victory when the Vampires are eliminated and the Werewolves go home.

    garroad_ran on
  • Dunadan019Dunadan019 Registered User regular
    edited April 2011
    3clipse

    Dunadan019 on
  • immortal squishimmortal squish Registered User regular
    edited April 2011
    Okay, so far...

    ... the village is confused on whether Ringo's (joking?) kill call confirmed him as a werewolf vig...

    ... and the village is confused on whether werewolves should be killed as mafias or not...

    Okay, got it. Clear as mud. Thing is, why the hell would Ringo call a kill to confirm himswlf as a werewolf when either the vamps or the village (or both) would certainly murder him the next day.

    immortal squish on
    <3
  • romanqwertyromanqwerty Registered User regular
    edited April 2011
    Why hasn't anyone asked yet?

    Do the werewolves go home WHEN the vampires are eliminated?

    romanqwerty on
  • LucedesLucedes Registered User regular
    edited April 2011
    i think kuhlmeye's throwaway vote is maybe the worst, with the timing and the phrasing.

    3clipse is okay, but doesn't actually strike me as mafia.

    also: look at who isn't talking much. we WILL improve phalla meta! we will!

    Lucedes on
  • LucedesLucedes Registered User regular
    edited April 2011
    might as well ask this too: is going home different than being eliminated?

    Lucedes on
  • real_pochaccoreal_pochacco Registered User regular
    edited April 2011
    Okay, so far...

    ... the village is confused on whether Ringo's (joking?) kill call confiema him as a werewolf vig...

    ... and village is confused on whether werewolves should be killed as mafias or not...

    Okay, got it. Clear as mud. Thing is, why the hell would Ringo call a kill to confirm himswlf as a werewolf when either the vamps or the village (or both) would certainly murder him the next day.

    Well, the typical reason is so that the guard will guard them, or the seer will feed them info, etc.

    real_pochacco on
  • DrLoserForHireXDrLoserForHireX Philosopher King The AcademyRegistered User regular
    edited April 2011
    Why hasn't anyone asked yet?

    Do the werewolves go home WHEN the vampires are eliminated?

    When the threat of the vampires is eliminated, the werewolves will no longer stalk through the streets of Las Vegas, and the game will end with a village victory.

    DrLoserForHireX on
    "The only way to get rid of a temptation is to give into it." - Oscar Wilde
    "We believe in the people and their 'wisdom' as if there was some special secret entrance to knowledge that barred to anyone who had ever learned anything." - Friedrich Nietzsche
  • garroad_rangarroad_ran Registered User regular
    edited April 2011
    Lucedes wrote: »
    also: look at who isn't talking much. we WILL improve phalla meta! we will!

    I'm down for that! But there's definitely some threads worth investigating right now

    garroad_ran on
  • 3cl1ps33cl1ps3 I will build a labyrinth to house the cheese Registered User regular
    edited April 2011
    Alright cool, Werewolves are village aligned.

    Keep on keepin' on you big fuzzy cuddly dudes.

    3cl1ps3 on
  • romanqwertyromanqwerty Registered User regular
    edited April 2011
    That clears it up nicely. Werewolves are good.

    Don't kill Ringo. He can call another kill tonight (properly this time) if he want's to claim vig.

    romanqwerty on
  • cj iwakuracj iwakura The Rhythm Regent Bears The Name FreedomRegistered User regular
    edited April 2011
    Werewolves consider humans tainted by the Wyrm.

    I wouldn't be so quick to cuddle the garou yet.

    cj iwakura on
    z48g7weaopj2.png
  • romanqwertyromanqwerty Registered User regular
    edited April 2011
    Why hasn't anyone asked yet?

    Do the werewolves go home WHEN the vampires are eliminated?

    When the threat of the vampires is eliminated, the werewolves will no longer stalk through the streets of Las Vegas, and the game will end with a village victory.

    And a werewolf victory?

    romanqwerty on
  • DrLoserForHireXDrLoserForHireX Philosopher King The AcademyRegistered User regular
    edited April 2011
    Why hasn't anyone asked yet?

    Do the werewolves go home WHEN the vampires are eliminated?

    When the threat of the vampires is eliminated, the werewolves will no longer stalk through the streets of Las Vegas, and the game will end with a village victory.

    And a werewolf victory?

    Denied, werewolves know what their victory condition is.

    DrLoserForHireX on
    "The only way to get rid of a temptation is to give into it." - Oscar Wilde
    "We believe in the people and their 'wisdom' as if there was some special secret entrance to knowledge that barred to anyone who had ever learned anything." - Friedrich Nietzsche
Sign In or Register to comment.