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Video Killed the Marine [Arizona Police Stupidity Thread]
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I wouldn't bring this to everyone's attention if I didn't feel it was important. Please take a look at what occured in Pima County, Arizona.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/05/25/jose-guerena-arizona-_n_867020.html
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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/05/25/jose-guerena-arizona-_n_867020.html
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Though, you might want to make the title a little more descriptive.
http://www.cato.org/raidmap/
The war on drugs and 9/11 gave small police forces big money for big, well equipped SWAT teams. But then, they have to "use it or lose it" in the classic governmental budgeting wisdom.
The real problem here is that you need a big police force to have the numbers to separate those who should be SWAT from those who shouldn't, and you need a big coverage area with lots of people to honestly justify having a SWAT team. Or, you hire every swinging dick who wants a real big popgun, and you use the SWAT team in grossly inappropriate scenarios in order to justify its existence.
Is this Arizona's best Indiana impression?
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Maybe it's just me, but if a group of strangers with guns breaks into my house, the last thing I'm thinking is 'it must be the police.' I imagine if two family members had been murdered during home invasions I'd feel that even more strongly.
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What I read was much worse.
The police came in all amped and ready to shoot without pause. It sounds like they didn't even announce they were the police so this guy thought he was going to have to defend himself. Then they lied about it to make it sound like he opened up on them.
Christ what a fucking cluster fuck.
I can't help but agree with this part of the article
Aren't SWAT teams plainly labeled tho? I thought they had big, white "SWAT" on their chests and back.
That's probably why he held his fire once they were in the house.
Why don't we just use stateside special forces like the British do, especially if they're intent on going in and shooting everything that moves?
EDIT: as Kyougu said, an actual military force would cause less collateral damage as well.
Wait, this is Arizona, are these Sheriff Joe's cronies?
Yeah, I'm really trying to find where they said they announced themselves. That's an important bit missing.
I don't think they ever said he opened fire on them, tho, just that he had a rifle in his hands.
Dude look at the map I linked. This isn't an Arizona, Indiana or even Nebraska thing. This is a US of A thing. Small county police departments are using their SWAT teams in lieu of regular officers, causing absurd levels of violence.
A SWAT team trains all day to bust down the door and quickly overwhelm whatever resistance they find inside. They train to open fire if they see a gun-like object. If you're a marijuana prescribing doctor, you'd better hope to high hell that you're not holding a hair dryer when the local PD busts down your bathroom door.
It's not mandatory to put it on the uniform. Do a quick google image search and you'll see there's no standard for identification on the uniform. Which there should be, I mean, it's a raid team, not an undercover group.
In an effort to reduce the chances of hostilities, the uniformed gang unit knocked on the door and asked anyone inside to come out.
Corporal Smith was fatally shot by bullets that came through the closed door.
I am a simple man, perhaps you could help me
One of these men is a soldier, one of them is a police officer
I am having trouble telling them apart
I wondered this as well. They fired 70 bullets? And hit him with 60? Dear god, what the hell? Was Sheriff Joe riding a tank outside waving his cowboy hat around?
Damn Arizona.
and is also holding a rifle with only one hand
Corporal Smith really should have stood to the side of the door, like everyone always does when they knock on suspect's doors.
Oh, wait, I forgot; this is America, that's exactly what it means.
But seriously, this is awful.
Because it is kind of stupid and pointless. But the moment you start asking the military to act as SWAT teams, you'll have the crazies coming out of the woodwork shouting about black helicopters and the NWO.
Your point is that it is better to open fire on an armed man defending his home that hasn't fired a shot at you is a better way to handle this?
If
A) I owned a gun
C) They did not announce who they were
I would have done the same thing. Though I don't think I would stand at the end of the hallway and give them opportunity to fire at me, either.
The fat one is the police officer.
Especially because the act Thanatos was talking about is entirely due to the traitor states after the Civil War bitching about soldiers being used as cops during the Restoration.
If you've been to the Primaries thread, the crazies are already out in full force, and have been since the President hasn't been white.
Using actual military personnel instead of wannabe Marines would work much better for this sort of thing, given that's exactly what our military has been doing over in Iraq and Afghanistan for the last few years.
This isn't an isolated occurrence. This was from a USA Today blog about an incident in MN with SWAT knocking down the door of a home after they messed up the address (USA Today link was expired but I remembered the story so I Googled it up):
One of these men is a soldier, one of them is a police officer
I am having trouble telling them apart
The soldier looks like a fucking professional and the police officer is the one that looks like a jackass in a costume.
Haven't these assholes played SWAT 4?
Was he waving a sword screaming "Get closer!!" while this was going on? Fuck me the US is scary sometimes.
Maybe it's time for the laws to be changed so that the military (or paramilitary if you prefer) police force can come from the state level so that county bumpkins lose their big guns and armored vehicle privileges.
We do?
I mean I know they were employed in doing so during the troubles, but I'm sure that nowadays we use CO19 (Swat analog), armed response units, and such for anything that falls under police juristiction.