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The Decline of Manliness in Contemporary Society
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Cut the holier than thou nonsense guys. We can't all be Ghandi.
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I don't believe anyone in this thread has stated violence can never be involved in any situation.
There is a significant difference between giving in during a moment of strong emotion and declaring it's a personal failing not to attack people who say things you personally don't like.
Is that Yaoi in your avatar. It's some you would say isn't it?
Either way, if we ever get a chance to meet up I'll totally tell you that is a dumb position.
Unless you're, like, armed.
All those people generally internalize the same lessons. Getting your ass kicked sucks, it's better to kick ass than not, and it's better to be inside an ass-kicking group than out.
Jail doesn't scare a lot of people, as they aren't thinking that far ahead or don't see themselves as in the wrong. Sometimes a punch in the face (espcially from someone unexpected) can get someone to better consider the consequences of their actions. Of course, sometimes that particular method can backfire into more violence, so...
I don't know anyone who's that big of a jerk. And most of the people I know would agree that there are circumstances when someone does deserve to be slapped at the very least. And anyone who doesn't would just disagree, and not be condescending about it.
It is actually a bit difficult to define "manly" now that I think about it. If pressed I would generally just say it is virtues like courage, strength, stoicism and loyalty, mixed in with social presence and leadership.
But really all of those things can be expressed by women also, especially in modern times.
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During the 19th century, there was concern that men were become more feminine as they moved away from rural life styles and with the rise of intellectualism. There were a few sort of movements towards this and many essays written about it, such as the christian masculinity. This is one explanation of the rise of sports in America, including the legalization of boxing. There was also a rise of novels in the early 20th century, like the Adventures of Frank Meriwell by Burt Standish which popularized the idea of achieving masculinity through sports, (and a boy scout type lifestyle).
Basically the idea of a threat is there, so there have been strong pushes towards more "masculine" activities and approval of these activities.
Arch,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t_goGR39m2k
What? There is a huge difference between disagreement and calling someone dumb or an idiot for disagreeing with you. The latter is a personal attack and not something I'm cool with.
So, the car was still and parked, and rather than remove yourself from the situation, you attacked him?
Then do the adult thing and either ignore them or leave. Or Hell, tell them they're being hurtful.
It was in the middle of nowhere, and yeah I "attacked" him if you call a light hit an attack.
I call them out on it, yeah. Is this a discussion now? I don't even know how this started. What the guy in the car was saying was a million times worse than someone just calling someone an idiot for disagreeing, for the record.
Arch,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t_goGR39m2k
You didn't call them out, you attacked them. You could have just told them to fuck off and ignored them but you couldn't live up to the apparently too difficult standard of not caring.
I'll agree jail doesn't scare a lot of people, but I doubt those people are scared of being punched in the face.
just not seeing it. I admit I can't prove what I'm saying at all.
The whole idea of "manliness" is just a load of crap, anyways.
If a boy played around in the kitchen and became a great cook, does that make him less of a man than one who spends his time watching sports and working out? Not really.
Besides, the whole concept is just plain outdated, like gender roles. Men and women shouldn't have to worry about living up to some mythical standard that has been set in stone, they should live thier lives and just be themselves. This whole "guys must be strong and tough and never show emotion" stuff just needs to go away.
I can has cheezburger, yes?
I didn't attack them, what? I attacked the guy in the car who was talking shit about me endlessly, not disagreeing with an opinion and only calling me an idiot.
And cut the fucking condescension. Yeah, I care about what people say, get over it.
You...may want to re-check the thread. There is plenty of condescension going on.
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You get to complain about people calling you 'dumb.' You just called people who don't believe in violence a bunch of pussies. Now you're bitching that they're acting condescending to you? Please.
Or the folks approaching the situation as if they'd act like a magical Ghandi in any aggravating situation no matter what and therefore feel free to condemn anyone who acted differently..
I called the guy a pussy, for more reasons outside of what I mentioned. People who don't believe in violence aren't necessarily pussies, I just disagree with them.
You don't like what this guy is doing. You asked him how he makes his PB&J, and he said with honey, which is neither PB or J, and needs straightening out.
You hit him, and the tree of options branches!
Possibility 1A: As your fist hits his face, he gains understanding. He now knows that words have meaning, and that he should call his PB & honey sandwich what it isn't, like some asshole. He understands this and you have gained an understanding, because you punched him in the face. This is great. Mission accomplished.
Possiblity 1B: He is afraid of you, doesn't like to fight, etc, and doesn't hit you back, and...
Possibility 2: He does not like that you punched him in the face, and he is going to punch you back in your face, because you punched him in his face. Now you're in a fight (woooo!). I know, I know, you're a super badass and all, but let's make this fair and just assume you have a 50% of coming out on top (but we both know you're way too badass to lose).
Possibility 3: You're getting jumped later, possibly with with PB&Honey's friends. Go back to 2 and start over!
Or you could not hit people.
I'm leaving out plenty of scenarios and options I'm sure, but the story will always involve much acrimony, sore bodies, and the police.
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"You could have just told them to fuck off and ignored them but you couldn't live up to the apparently too difficult standard of not caring."
Aside from you using some kind of example which didn't even exist, you said I can't live up to an easy standard. Cut the BS.