In the Ranger's defense, we don't really know what Nash is capable of. Sure, he was the best player in Columbus, but he was the best player in Columbus. He could surprise people and end up growing as a player now that he has a decent team around him.
I know precisely jackshit about labor contracts and collective bargaining, but this seems all kinds of messed up to me.
Can anyone tell me if NHL ownership has any kind of revenue sharing? My understanding is that Toronto is the only franchise to not lose money in any given season. It seems to me that having all the franchises having to pay out on the same economic model, but take money in in radically different economic situations doesn't make a lot of sense. Is there anything that helps put different teams on the same footing so as to make it so they can all afford to hire talent, build fanbases, and have a chance of success instead of having someone move every couple of years? Because when teams are losing money (and moving/selling/threatening to fold), then they do things like try to lock players out to force new CBAs on them.
Or am I way off base on this?
Somebody learn me please, because I am too lazy and stupid to look it up myself.
Actually, as I mentioned before, I do have a friend who is a lawyer for the NHLPA. I bet I could ask her. But I don't know if I'd get an unbiased answer. I also don't know if she'd be allowed to answer.
Toronto isn't the only franchise to not lose money. Look at the all the teams before the cap was introduced that were signing people to giant contracts(Like the Rangers signing Bobby Holik to a 9 mil/year contract). A lot of the stuff for the new CBA is the players vs. the owners and the rich team owners vs. small team owners. The Flyers offering Weber that massive offer sheet this summer that forced Nashville to potentially bet the team on one player is a good example of some of the issues with this CBA. Basically, if there's a lockout it's Ed Snider's fault.
Nah. The NHL's owners are a bunch of massive fucktards who can't help poisoning their own league by handing out giant stupid contracts and then getting pissy about their revenues.
Boro -- I wasn't saying only Toronto is making money. I was saying only Toronto ALWAYS makes money. Everyone else, as is my understanding, but maybe I'm wrong, will lose money for a year or two after a bad season or a few bad contracts or whatever. Toronto always turns a profit. Since, like... WWII? Again, my understanding, it may not be accurate.
Can anyone tell me if NHL ownership has any kind of revenue sharing?
Chromodom, the NHL has no revenue sharing or luxury tax, and probably won't any time soon, because the commissioner seems to only work for the big-market teams.
That said, I may be more biased than your NHLPA employee friend.
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Reports of my head being anywhere other than up my ass are greatly exaggerated. Je suis le derp.
She says there is revenue sharing, but not like you would normally think of as revenue sharing. I am currently trying to ask her what that means.
It is hard because she got off on a rant about this latest negotiation (which is understandable on her part), but doesn't really answer my questions.
The NHL has had revenue sharing since the last lock out. Top 10 teams pay in and the bottom fifteen are eligible to pull from it if needed with qualifiers based on attendance and revenue growth. Teams in major media markets(2.5 mil+ people) aren't allowed to pull from it so teams like the Devils, Islanders, Kings, and Blackhawks aren't eligible to pull from it.
From what I understand a big part of this negotiation is trying to settle on what exactly hockey related revenue is defined as and then how to split it.
Now there's an answer! Thank you!
It's not revenue sharing like I would want to set up, but it's something. Actually, the more I think about it, it seems more and more stupid. Owners are stupid. Of course, players and player reps are stupid. And we're stupid for watching and caring about it.
Ok, my friend posted this on her FB page. It's from the NHLPA, so I can't vouch for the objectivity of it, and I don't see any sources being cited. Basically take it for what it is: a release from a labo(u)r union during a negotiation.
Now there's an answer! Thank you!
It's not revenue sharing like I would want to set up, but it's something. Actually, the more I think about it, it seems more and more stupid. Owners are stupid. Of course, players and player reps are stupid. And we're stupid for watching and caring about it.
FUCK EVERYBODY!
Sorry, I just needed to get that off my chest.
Aww... I don't think you're stupid for caring about the obstruction standing between you and sweet, sweet hockey goodness.
Then again, I've already proved I don't really know what I'm talking about.
Donald Fehr is a bulldog, albeit one who thinks its fine and dandy for players to roid themselves up, but whatever.
I just continue to hope this situation torpedoes Bettman.
fehr was the absolute best hire the nhlpa could have made and that first offer he made to the nhl was a thing of genius.
gary bettman is the only reason the Edmonton Oilers are still here in Edmonton and no one here seems to remember that fact. for this fact alone i can never hate the man.
I've never understood why everyone makes Bettman out to be this monolithic power within the NHL. Yes he has a lot of sway and influence, but so do the owners over him. I still boo him and everything because it's a bunch of fun, but he's not the Machiavelli of hockey.
I've never understood why everyone makes Bettman out to be this monolithic power within the NHL. Yes he has a lot of sway and influence, but so do the owners over him. I still boo him and everything because it's a bunch of fun, but he's not the Machiavelli of hockey.
Because the owners like him and more often than not he sides with them
Look at the debacle that is the Coyotes. There were tons of companies and people looking to bring them to Canada. He sides with the City of Gendale and helps work out a deal where the team stays
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I don't make him out to be super powerful...he's just a weasel and a dick and the face of everything that hurts NHL fans.
He's the Stephen Harper of hockey. He can't do everything on his own but that doesn't mean he isn't the driving force behind it all.
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I've never understood why everyone makes Bettman out to be this monolithic power within the NHL. Yes he has a lot of sway and influence, but so do the owners over him. I still boo him and everything because it's a bunch of fun, but he's not the Machiavelli of hockey.
Because the owners like him and more often than not he sides with them
Look at the debacle that is the Coyotes. There were tons of companies and people looking to bring them to Canada. He sides with the City of Gendale and helps work out a deal where the team stays
that's weird that he would side with his employers. bettman is not a mediator between players and owners, he is an employee of the nhl owners.
i think people are failing to see that this problem is as much a fault of the players as it is the owners. both sides have shown exceptional greed and lack of foresight.
the players refusal to even consider backing down from 57% is baffling. the deal the players received was probably too much in their favor in 2005 while the owners undermine themselves by signing longterm deals past the 5 years the nhl is saying needs to be the limit.
I like the irony of the owners all being united behind the idea of locking out the players, and one of their major issues is that they all exploited contract lengths to circumvent the salary cap they fought for because they can't trust each other not to try and steal free agents by offering them bigger contracts. I'm not saying both sides aren't at fault, but that really sounds like "okay, guys, we thought a salary cap would stop us from being idiots with our money but it turns out we found another way to blow lots of money on players that's actually worse and we need you to accept more salary restrictions so that we don't have to actually be responsible with our money".
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A message to our fans
The following message to fans was issued by the National Hockey League on Sunday:
Despite the expiration of the Collective Bargaining Agreement, the National Hockey League has been, and remains, committed to negotiating around the clock to reach a new CBA that is fair to the Players and to the 30 NHL teams.
Thanks to the conditions fostered by seven seasons under the previous CBA, competitive balance has created arguably the most meaningful regular season in pro sports; a different team has won the Stanley Cup every year; fans and sponsors have agreed the game is at its best, and the League has generated remarkable growth and momentum. While our last CBA negotiation resulted in a seismic change in the League's economic system, and produced corresponding on-ice benefits, our current negotiation is focused on a fairer and more sustainable division of revenues with the Players -- as well as other necessary adjustments consistent with the objectives of the economic system we developed jointly with the NHL Players' Association seven years ago. Those adjustments are attainable through sensible, focused negotiation -- not through rhetoric.
This is a time of year for all attention to be focused on the ice, not on a meeting room. The League, the Clubs and the Players all have a stake in resolving our bargaining issues appropriately and getting the puck dropped as soon as possible. We owe it to each other, to the game and, most of all, to the fans.
Developing a fairer CBA, yet Bettman said the last one was "too fair."
Committed to negotiating around the clock, yet the league declined to meet with the players association over the weekend.
I agree completely with what Angry said. Nobody involved is really showing that a compromise is on their mind.
I think that the lockout will eventually end, but I don't see it happening until both sides realize that a compromise is the best solution and that they're both acting like petty children. Which I don't see happening anytime soon.
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Now, if only we had someone who scored goals!
I'm actually pretty stoked, as I skipped 12. Did the goalie fights and increased contact additions work out last year?
Steam
Can anyone tell me if NHL ownership has any kind of revenue sharing? My understanding is that Toronto is the only franchise to not lose money in any given season. It seems to me that having all the franchises having to pay out on the same economic model, but take money in in radically different economic situations doesn't make a lot of sense. Is there anything that helps put different teams on the same footing so as to make it so they can all afford to hire talent, build fanbases, and have a chance of success instead of having someone move every couple of years? Because when teams are losing money (and moving/selling/threatening to fold), then they do things like try to lock players out to force new CBAs on them.
Or am I way off base on this?
Somebody learn me please, because I am too lazy and stupid to look it up myself.
Actually, as I mentioned before, I do have a friend who is a lawyer for the NHLPA. I bet I could ask her. But I don't know if I'd get an unbiased answer. I also don't know if she'd be allowed to answer.
ONE MAN'S OPINION
Chromodom, the NHL has no revenue sharing or luxury tax, and probably won't any time soon, because the commissioner seems to only work for the big-market teams.
That said, I may be more biased than your NHLPA employee friend.
*EDIT*
Reports of my head being anywhere other than up my ass are greatly exaggerated. Je suis le derp.
It is hard because she got off on a rant about this latest negotiation (which is understandable on her part), but doesn't really answer my questions.
From what I understand a big part of this negotiation is trying to settle on what exactly hockey related revenue is defined as and then how to split it.
It's not revenue sharing like I would want to set up, but it's something. Actually, the more I think about it, it seems more and more stupid. Owners are stupid. Of course, players and player reps are stupid. And we're stupid for watching and caring about it.
FUCK EVERYBODY!
Sorry, I just needed to get that off my chest.
EDIT: Heh, forgot the link! http://www.nhlpa.com/news/headlines/details/2012/09/04/setting-the-record-straight-cba-myths-vs.-facts
Aww... I don't think you're stupid for caring about the obstruction standing between you and sweet, sweet hockey goodness.
Then again, I've already proved I don't really know what I'm talking about.
I just continue to hope this situation torpedoes Bettman.
fehr was the absolute best hire the nhlpa could have made and that first offer he made to the nhl was a thing of genius.
gary bettman is the only reason the Edmonton Oilers are still here in Edmonton and no one here seems to remember that fact. for this fact alone i can never hate the man.
Because the owners like him and more often than not he sides with them
Look at the debacle that is the Coyotes. There were tons of companies and people looking to bring them to Canada. He sides with the City of Gendale and helps work out a deal where the team stays
He's the Stephen Harper of hockey. He can't do everything on his own but that doesn't mean he isn't the driving force behind it all.
that's weird that he would side with his employers. bettman is not a mediator between players and owners, he is an employee of the nhl owners.
i think people are failing to see that this problem is as much a fault of the players as it is the owners. both sides have shown exceptional greed and lack of foresight.
the players refusal to even consider backing down from 57% is baffling. the deal the players received was probably too much in their favor in 2005 while the owners undermine themselves by signing longterm deals past the 5 years the nhl is saying needs to be the limit.
(It was at UCLA again.)
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Steam
Need some stuff designed or printed? I can help with that.
neither side is offering counters to each others offers, they are merely amending their original offers that the other side scoffed at.
there hasn't been any real genuine effort to actually come to a middle ground as far as i can tell.
fuck em both.
Developing a fairer CBA, yet Bettman said the last one was "too fair."
Committed to negotiating around the clock, yet the league declined to meet with the players association over the weekend.
I agree completely with what Angry said. Nobody involved is really showing that a compromise is on their mind.
I think that the lockout will eventually end, but I don't see it happening until both sides realize that a compromise is the best solution and that they're both acting like petty children. Which I don't see happening anytime soon.
Steam
Yes, but I'd like to book my tickets before that.
I am not going to just hang out in Detroit for no reason.
Need some stuff designed or printed? I can help with that.
Let's go to some Giants games.
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am I right
But why?
Why do you think people go to Rogers Arena? to watch the Canucks?
ridiculous
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