Also, my gut reaction is that kuhl would be too crafty to pull such a flashy move, but it's obviously a better vote than spectre. I mean, spectre could even turn out to be mafia but right now the vote on him doesn't make any sense. !kuhlmeye
Such a flashy move? It's not a move at all.
If kuhlmeye was mafia, he would have known that both frontrunners were going to die no matter what the vote count. Why would he publicly expose himself under those conditions? It makes no sense, unless we're assuming that the mafia is full of idiots working at cross-purposes without communicating with one another.
TehSpectre: Claimed he was the Vig and that he killed B:L. Voted semi-seriously for Egos.
Are you fucking serious? It was a joke on both occasions. Are you an idiot?
To be fair his post really just came across as a way to get a day 1 vote in. At least that was how I read it...
You read wrong. i am a detective, and also a big game hunter. I also do children's parties, bar mitzvahs and divorce celebrations. Have a business card.
*blows bubbles out of a children's bubble-pipe.*
I meant TehSpectre's votepost on me. Not yours. Just to clear things up.
"olol why would I be this agressive out of the gate on day two when none of my mafia brethren were in touble of getting voted out? I am obviously not mafia because what a dumb strategy"
Look. Anyone can be mafia regardless of what they do.
Also, my gut reaction is that kuhl would be too crafty to pull such a flashy move, but it's obviously a better vote than spectre. I mean, spectre could even turn out to be mafia but right now the vote on him doesn't make any sense. !kuhlmeye
Such a flashy move? It's not a move at all.
If kuhlmeye was mafia, he would have known that both frontrunners were going to die no matter what the vote count. Why would he publicly expose himself under those conditions? It makes no sense, unless we're assuming that the mafia is full of idiots working at cross-purposes without communicating with one another.
Unless I am really reading the mechanics incorrectly, creating the tie gave the mafia an extra kill last night. In the case of a straight vote, the mafia could kill the two leaders, and land the vote on third place, with three people dead. With the tie, rather than a coinflip or the "first to tie" rule, they created, essentially, two unblockable kills.
So that is actually a pretty good move for them, considering they got two pretty vocal villagers on day one.
When I am mafia and I want a bandwagon to shift to someone else? I stay quiet most of the day.
That is because otherwise someone will yell at you and say you are being too defensive O_o
Something I think people learn regardless..
edit: well I suppose to be fair there are levels, but generally speaking people will go "he is being defensive" regardless...unless it's like a one liner perhaps...
Also, my gut reaction is that kuhl would be too crafty to pull such a flashy move, but it's obviously a better vote than spectre. I mean, spectre could even turn out to be mafia but right now the vote on him doesn't make any sense. !kuhlmeye
Such a flashy move? It's not a move at all.
If kuhlmeye was mafia, he would have known that both frontrunners were going to die no matter what the vote count. Why would he publicly expose himself under those conditions? It makes no sense, unless we're assuming that the mafia is full of idiots working at cross-purposes without communicating with one another.
Unless I am really reading the mechanics incorrectly, creating the tie gave the mafia an extra kill last night. In the case of a straight vote, the mafia could kill the two leaders, and land the vote on third place, with three people dead. With the tie, rather than a coinflip or the "first to tie" rule, they created, essentially, two unblockable kills.
So that is actually a pretty good move for them, considering they got two pretty vocal villagers on day one.
I mean, right?
I don't think this is correct. The tie between Warban and Stever777 was irrelevant, because the mafia killed both of them and dropped the vote onto the third place tie between Kime and B:L. Even without a tie, both Stever and Warban would have died, and the vote would still have trickled onto the third place tie.
Wait, are you assuming that Kuhl created the third-place tie? Kuhlmeye's vote created a tie between Warban and Stever777, not the tie between B:L and Kime. His vote created an irrelevant tie.
Also, my gut reaction is that kuhl would be too crafty to pull such a flashy move, but it's obviously a better vote than spectre. I mean, spectre could even turn out to be mafia but right now the vote on him doesn't make any sense. !kuhlmeye
Such a flashy move? It's not a move at all.
If kuhlmeye was mafia, he would have known that both frontrunners were going to die no matter what the vote count. Why would he publicly expose himself under those conditions? It makes no sense, unless we're assuming that the mafia is full of idiots working at cross-purposes without communicating with one another.
Unless I am really reading the mechanics incorrectly, creating the tie gave the mafia an extra kill last night. In the case of a straight vote, the mafia could kill the two leaders, and land the vote on third place, with three people dead. With the tie, rather than a coinflip or the "first to tie" rule, they created, essentially, two unblockable kills.
So that is actually a pretty good move for them, considering they got two pretty vocal villagers on day one.
I mean, right?
I don't think this is correct. The tie between Warban and Stever777 was irrelevant, because the mafia killed both of them and dropped the vote onto the third place tie between Kime and B:L. Even without a tie, both Stever and Warban would have died, and the vote would still have trickled onto the third place tie.
Wait, are you assuming that Kuhl created the third-place tie? Kuhlmeye's vote created a tie between Warban and Stever777, not the tie between B:L and Kime. His vote created an irrelevant tie.
I was under the impression that the initial tie itself trickled down. In that, warban and steever tied, their tie vote trickled to the next two in the line
Also, my gut reaction is that kuhl would be too crafty to pull such a flashy move, but it's obviously a better vote than spectre. I mean, spectre could even turn out to be mafia but right now the vote on him doesn't make any sense. !kuhlmeye
Such a flashy move? It's not a move at all.
If kuhlmeye was mafia, he would have known that both frontrunners were going to die no matter what the vote count. Why would he publicly expose himself under those conditions? It makes no sense, unless we're assuming that the mafia is full of idiots working at cross-purposes without communicating with one another.
Unless I am really reading the mechanics incorrectly, creating the tie gave the mafia an extra kill last night. In the case of a straight vote, the mafia could kill the two leaders, and land the vote on third place, with three people dead. With the tie, rather than a coinflip or the "first to tie" rule, they created, essentially, two unblockable kills.
So that is actually a pretty good move for them, considering they got two pretty vocal villagers on day one.
I mean, right?
I don't think this is correct. The tie between Warban and Stever777 was irrelevant, because the mafia killed both of them and dropped the vote onto the third place tie between Kime and B:L. Even without a tie, both Stever and Warban would have died, and the vote would still have trickled onto the third place tie.
Wait, are you assuming that Kuhl created the third-place tie? Kuhlmeye's vote created a tie between Warban and Stever777, not the tie between B:L and Kime. His vote created an irrelevant tie.
I was under the impression that the initial tie itself trickled down. In that, warban and steever tied, their tie vote trickled to the next two in the line
I don't believe so. The vote killed Kime and B:L because they were tied for most votes after Warban and Steever. If Kime had led B:L in votes, he alone would have died to the vote regardless of the tied status of the first place bandwagons. At least, that's how I understand the mechanics.
Here's the thing, I completely understand why I am getting votes. In fact, I probably deserve them. I have also given the mafia a pretty clear wagon to jump onto, so if I do end up dying tonight, take a look at people just sheeping onto me once my name is green in the narration.
Here's the thing, I completely understand why I am getting votes. In fact, I probably deserve them. I have also given the mafia a pretty clear wagon to jump onto, so if I do end up dying tonight, take a look at people just sheeping onto me once my name is green in the narration.
Yeah, if the mafia was going to kill the top two folks to make the vote trickle onto a lower tied bandwagon, then if that is what happened I'd want to look at some of the folks on the lower tied bandwagon since the top two votes tying doesn't seem to be what was pivotal.
Since no one bothered to count up the votes from before and time them I guess I will. What a pain, stupid vote trickling.
This really should go without saying now, but after last night's events I just want to be safe:
If you're a guard, and you don't have anyone important to guard yet, you really should guard the person winning the vote to stop vote trickle shenanigans.
That, or at least set up a tiered roster of votes for a bunch of people, or something.
Yeah, if the mafia was going to kill the top two folks to make the vote trickle onto a lower tied bandwagon, then if that is what happened I'd want to look at some of the folks on the lower tied bandwagon since the top two votes tying doesn't seem to be what was pivotal.
Since no one bothered to count up the votes from before and time them I guess I will. What a pain, stupid vote trickling.
If I'm reading it right though, the reason there was a 3rd place tie was b/c B:L took his vote off of Drez to vote stever. Which would be pretty suspicious, except B:L died good. Interesting to me, though, is that kuhlmeye was in the running for that 3rd place zone.
IMO, we should be looking at those other kime/drez voters if !kuhlmeye turns up red tonight.
I think you missed some of the retractions in there for the tertiary vote targets, pablo. Here's mine for the ones who got offed, correct me if I'm wrong:
kuhlmeye could be mafia and those were some shameless shenanigans, but I'm not feeling it as much as some other folks. I'm sort of curious what sort of strategy, if any, the mafia took towards spreading out their votes yesterday. If they tried to spread it as much as possible between various villagers, then witch doctor and jaysonfour on the B:L bandwagon are the most suspicious going by conditional probability that we know that stever and kime were villagers, but the mafia may have anticipated that and stayed off the B:L bandwagon entirely. Some of the other assorted votes might matter two, since I noticed a lot of switching around raiden.
Anyways, I'll !vote Jaysonfour for now, and change it if I think of someone better.
Kuhlmeye tied up the vote and gave the mafia some trickle down kills, which also negated a guard that had been placed on B:L. Kuhlmeye deserves to be voted out as an example so that nobody ever does that again. (Also, so that we don't spend the next 3 days debating his mafianess before finally voting him out anyway.)
All that said, Simonwolf for second place in case of trickle. On a hunch.
Kuhlmeye tied up the vote and gave the mafia some trickle down kills, which also negated a guard that had been placed on B:L. Kuhlmeye deserves to be voted out as an example so that nobody ever does that again. (Also, so that we don't spend the next 3 days debating his mafianess before finally voting him out anyway.)
All that said, Simonwolf for second place in case of trickle. On a hunch.
Warban and stever were mafia killed anyway, which is what triggered the vote trickle, not me tying it. Just FYI.
What I'm saying (JT said it earlier) is, even if I had voted for stever, both stever and warban would still have been killed by the mafia, and BL and kime would still have died due to the tied vote for third.
Kuhlmeye tied up the vote and gave the mafia some trickle down kills, which also negated a guard that had been placed on B:L. Kuhlmeye deserves to be voted out as an example so that nobody ever does that again. (Also, so that we don't spend the next 3 days debating his mafianess before finally voting him out anyway.)
All that said, Simonwolf for second place in case of trickle. On a hunch.
I'm dubious of both your reasoning and your hunches. ++suspicion on Feckless rogue.
Too much stupid and sheeping today IMO, not enough digging. Won't give us much to work with tomorrow if we end up with more dead villagers.
Kuhlmeye tied up the vote and gave the mafia some trickle down kills, which also negated a guard that had been placed on B:L. Kuhlmeye deserves to be voted out as an example so that nobody ever does that again. (Also, so that we don't spend the next 3 days debating his mafianess before finally voting him out anyway.)
All that said, Simonwolf for second place in case of trickle. On a hunch.
I'm dubious of both your reasoning and your hunches. ++suspicion on Feckless rogue.
Too much stupid and sheeping today IMO, not enough digging. Won't give us much to work with tomorrow if we end up with more dead villagers.
Kuhlmeye tied up the vote and gave the mafia some trickle down kills, which also negated a guard that had been placed on B:L. Kuhlmeye deserves to be voted out as an example so that nobody ever does that again. (Also, so that we don't spend the next 3 days debating his mafianess before finally voting him out anyway.)
All that said, Simonwolf for second place in case of trickle. On a hunch.
This is not what happened, as I have explained multiple times today.
The mafia killed Stever and Warban, not Kuhlmeye's vote. Kuhlmeye's vote was completely irrelevant to how the day turned out. This is a stupid bandwagon and a waste of a day.
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Kuhlmeye tied up the vote and gave the mafia some trickle down kills, which also negated a guard that had been placed on B:L. Kuhlmeye deserves to be voted out as an example so that nobody ever does that again. (Also, so that we don't spend the next 3 days debating his mafianess before finally voting him out anyway.)
All that said, Simonwolf for second place in case of trickle. On a hunch.
I'm dubious of both your reasoning and your hunches. ++suspicion on Feckless rogue.
Too much stupid and sheeping today IMO, not enough digging. Won't give us much to work with tomorrow if we end up with more dead villagers.
Please, tell us what we should be looking into when analyzing the chaos of Day 1.
It is a stupid bandwagon, and in four more days someone will pipe up with "HEY WE SHOULD TIE THE VOTE" and debate will spark up all over again.
Today won't accomplish much. However, there aren't any great leads as of yet, and the mafia will continue to kill the top two vote-leaders since they have nothing to lose by doing so.
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Such a flashy move? It's not a move at all.
If kuhlmeye was mafia, he would have known that both frontrunners were going to die no matter what the vote count. Why would he publicly expose himself under those conditions? It makes no sense, unless we're assuming that the mafia is full of idiots working at cross-purposes without communicating with one another.
I meant TehSpectre's votepost on me. Not yours. Just to clear things up.
I've done it before in order to gain trust.
Sadly not for the vigis either.
And maybe you are pulling the "I'm a reliable villager, look elsewhere" move.
My vote stands.
but they're listening to every word I say
kuhlmeye
Or 21stCentury, as I have no idea what you're trying to do
"olol why would I be this agressive out of the gate on day two when none of my mafia brethren were in touble of getting voted out? I am obviously not mafia because what a dumb strategy"
Look. Anyone can be mafia regardless of what they do.
I ahve a gut feeling about kuhl. Simple as that.
When I am mafia and I want a bandwagon to shift to someone else? I stay quiet most of the day.
It works a good amount. If he is still winning the vote later tonight, he'll probably show back up.
Unless I am really reading the mechanics incorrectly, creating the tie gave the mafia an extra kill last night. In the case of a straight vote, the mafia could kill the two leaders, and land the vote on third place, with three people dead. With the tie, rather than a coinflip or the "first to tie" rule, they created, essentially, two unblockable kills.
So that is actually a pretty good move for them, considering they got two pretty vocal villagers on day one.
I mean, right?
That is because otherwise someone will yell at you and say you are being too defensive O_o
Something I think people learn regardless..
edit: well I suppose to be fair there are levels, but generally speaking people will go "he is being defensive" regardless...unless it's like a one liner perhaps...
I don't think this is correct. The tie between Warban and Stever777 was irrelevant, because the mafia killed both of them and dropped the vote onto the third place tie between Kime and B:L. Even without a tie, both Stever and Warban would have died, and the vote would still have trickled onto the third place tie.
Wait, are you assuming that Kuhl created the third-place tie? Kuhlmeye's vote created a tie between Warban and Stever777, not the tie between B:L and Kime. His vote created an irrelevant tie.
I was under the impression that the initial tie itself trickled down. In that, warban and steever tied, their tie vote trickled to the next two in the line
I don't believe so. The vote killed Kime and B:L because they were tied for most votes after Warban and Steever. If Kime had led B:L in votes, he alone would have died to the vote regardless of the tied status of the first place bandwagons. At least, that's how I understand the mechanics.
Plus, doesn't the rule say that he dies in 1-2 days anyway?
So then you're not a normal villager?
I hunger for his love and he hungers for inactive souls its a match made in heaven
I don't really like any of the front two runners, from my understanding the front two are pretty suspicious but nothing really out of line
but then again what do I know this is phalla after all
Since no one bothered to count up the votes from before and time them I guess I will. What a pain, stupid vote trickling.
If you're a guard, and you don't have anyone important to guard yet, you really should guard the person winning the vote to stop vote trickle shenanigans.
That, or at least set up a tiered roster of votes for a bunch of people, or something.
I've been trying to look at this too.
warban: 7 (Turkson, Phyphor, Baidol, Teucrian, simonwolf, Spoit, kuhlmeye)
kime: 4 (Drez, 101, Element Brian, Honk)
Drez: 4 (stever777, cj iwakura, 21stCentury, Asiina)
kuhlmeye: 3 (Farangu, TehSloth, DasUberEdward)
If I'm reading it right though, the reason there was a 3rd place tie was b/c B:L took his vote off of Drez to vote stever. Which would be pretty suspicious, except B:L died good. Interesting to me, though, is that kuhlmeye was in the running for that 3rd place zone.
IMO, we should be looking at those other kime/drez voters if !kuhlmeye turns up red tonight.
Warban - Turkson, phyphor, baidol, Teucrian, simonwolf, spoit, kulhmeye
stever777 - daniant, evilbob, pablo_price, oldmanken, B:L, lonelyahava, zandracon
kime - Drez, 101, element brian, honk
B:L - Witch doctor, kime, stever777, jaysonfour
kuhlmeye could be mafia and those were some shameless shenanigans, but I'm not feeling it as much as some other folks. I'm sort of curious what sort of strategy, if any, the mafia took towards spreading out their votes yesterday. If they tried to spread it as much as possible between various villagers, then witch doctor and jaysonfour on the B:L bandwagon are the most suspicious going by conditional probability that we know that stever and kime were villagers, but the mafia may have anticipated that and stayed off the B:L bandwagon entirely. Some of the other assorted votes might matter two, since I noticed a lot of switching around raiden.
Anyways, I'll !vote Jaysonfour for now, and change it if I think of someone better.
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All that said, Simonwolf for second place in case of trickle. On a hunch.
That being said, I will further solidify the lead of kuhlmeye.
Warban and stever were mafia killed anyway, which is what triggered the vote trickle, not me tying it. Just FYI.
Or mafia'd, to cause the vote to hit 3rd place again.
I'm dubious of both your reasoning and your hunches. ++suspicion on Feckless rogue.
Too much stupid and sheeping today IMO, not enough digging. Won't give us much to work with tomorrow if we end up with more dead villagers.
Which you will! :winky:
This is not what happened, as I have explained multiple times today.
The mafia killed Stever and Warban, not Kuhlmeye's vote. Kuhlmeye's vote was completely irrelevant to how the day turned out. This is a stupid bandwagon and a waste of a day.
Please, tell us what we should be looking into when analyzing the chaos of Day 1.
Today won't accomplish much. However, there aren't any great leads as of yet, and the mafia will continue to kill the top two vote-leaders since they have nothing to lose by doing so.