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Welcome to [Torchwood]: Miracle (abandon all hope ye who enter) Day (Beware Spoilers)
aerynkellynothing to see here, move alongRegistered Userregular
In case you're not aware, Torchwood is a spin-off series from Doctor Who. If you're a Who fan, you should definitely also be a Torchwood fan. The show looked doomed at the end of its last season
killing off most the cast, yeah that's great for a series longevity!
but...
The Miracle Day is upon us - anyone else out there watching? I need opinions people! :-D
So nice to see Jack back in action - I'm hoping they have time in this short 10 episode span to tell us what Jack got up to when he took off, but I have a feeling the episodes will be too action packed to really fit that in.
Anyone notice the Exit signs are green? Think there's something to that?
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Enjoying it so far, though I have a laundry list of things that are terrible about it. (Spoilers).
I think it's mostly because of the absolute dearth of semi-decent sci-fi dramas at the moment that I'll keep watching.
Bill Pullman is a great actor doing his best in a terribly thought-out role.
I agree about the PR lady, that was just weird showing up with the docs, and the whole scene after just screamed "I am critical to the plot later but right now this was the best they could do to work me into the story". Just weird.
She is giving off the "she is more than she appears and knows more than she is saying" vibe. I think it was supposed to be weird and to be a bit forced.
I just started watching Who again a few weeks ago. I'd seen a few episodes with my parents many years ago as a kid, but never was able to keep up with it. I'm about 10 episodes in to after Tennant Who showed up, and I was like, wait... Torchwood? Isn't there a show by that name? Also I was pretty stoked to see Captain Jack heading up the team. I'm only about 6 eps in so far cause I started a couple days ago, but do we ever find out how he got off the space station and back to our present, and do the Dr and Rose show up?
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aerynkellynothing to see here, move alongRegistered Userregular
You're about 6 eps into what, season 1 of Torchwood? Your questions do get answered...if I say more than that, it'd be spoilers, and you really should just watch and enjoy Miracle Day is (sorta) season 4 of Torchwood.
Haven't written the Episode 3 one yet, but I will say - this episode had maybe 20 minutes of semi-decent Torchwood stuff in it. Which is more than the 2 previous episodes had combined. I still get the feeling that this show was concieved as a 5-parter, and then they got Starz onboard, and they just stretched it out to fit their broadcast schedule. The Phicorp discovery feels like it would have been the perfect cliffhanger ending to Episode 1, and instead, it comes at about 20 minutes into Episode 3.
The Danes character only JUST NOW got interesting.
aerynkellynothing to see here, move alongRegistered Userregular
They gave a ton of hints tonight about who is behind the Miracle Day - at first I thought it was one thing, but Jack wasn't involved with them so now I'm not sure. Definitely a better episode though.
I'm not enjoying this half as much as I'd hoped. The execution is so irritatingly sloppy.
Even the editing is bad. Example: As Oswald approaches the hospital entrance, we see reporters watch him from no less than 100 feet away behind barriers. Then, after he has gone inside and is standing in the middle of a large room full of people, we repeatedly cut back to those same reporters (still outside, still behind the barricades) jumping up and down, calling "Oswald!" to get his attention, reacting with ooh's and ah's to the things he is saying (sans microphone) and doing (which they clearly cannot see) inside the building.
I'm not enjoying this half as much as I'd hoped. The execution is so irritatingly sloppy.
Even the editing is bad. Example: As Oswald approaches the hospital entrance, we see reporters watch him from no less than 100 feet away behind barriers. Then, after he has gone inside and is standing in the middle of a large room full of people, we repeatedly cut back to those same reporters (still outside, still behind the barricades) jumping up and down, calling "Oswald!" to get his attention, reacting with ooh's and ah's to the things he is saying (sans microphone) and doing (which they clearly cannot see) inside the building.
I think the idea there was they could see him through the windows and could tell that he was speechifying and they were trying to get him to come out to do an interview
This isnt so bad I won't watch it, after all Barrowman is entertaining even in schlock, but it could really use with Matt Smith popping in and futzing with things to jazz it up a bit
I saw Children of Earth for the first time last night. I assume most of you doubt Miracle Day will ever get anywhere near as good as CoE?
Four episodes in.
Miracle Day is still crap.
The only character I can stand is Gwen. Everyone else is just shit, even Jack Harkness.
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BethrynUnhappiness is MandatoryRegistered Userregular
Original Torchwood series is sci-fi trying to be gritty take on Doctor Who style of monsters and boundary-pushing.
Then Children of Earth is basically pretty run-of-the-mill political drama... with Doctor Who style monsters playing the role of terrorists.
And now Miracle Day is more or less a tiny bit of dramamentary coupled with Spooks... and maybe with Doctor Who style monsters.
I really can't say there's much difference in quality between all of them really. In almost all cases, they've been carried by specific actors or actresses, since they're pretty much always based on weak storylines and not-as-deep-as-they-hoped commentary.
I saw Children of Earth for the first time last night. I assume most of you doubt Miracle Day will ever get anywhere near as good as CoE?
Four episodes in.
Miracle Day is still crap.
The only character I can stand is Gwen. Everyone else is just shit, even Jack Harkness.
Eh? Every character annoys me, but Gwen is the only one I actively hate. Stop whining, Gwen! STOP WHINING RIGHT NOW!
Mekhi Phifer (Matheson) needs to stop chewing the scenery. The entire Torchwood team consists of pretty bad actors, but Phifer twitches with every word. He can't stay still when he talks. He's like a bobblehead doll during an earthquake.
Also, there was this one scene where Bill Pullman is talking a room of abandoned patients.
Bill Pullman: I'm the only one who's thinking about you! Here's a blanket! Blankets make everything better!
Old Guy: Hey, aren't you the guy who raped and killed this teenage girl!
Bill Pullman: Yes, that did happen, but now I'm standing by you!
Old Guy: Okay then! Thank you!
That's what I got from that scene. Every sentence ends with an exclamation mark, which I feel is center to the Torchwood experience. If I got a few details wrong, it's because I was also going through TVTropes entries at the time. In my defense, I think multitasking is a great way to watch mediocre television. It allows you to skip the parts you dislike and only pay attention to the better parts. It's how I managed to enjoy Stargate Universe. The show I watched had no Chloe, TJ, or Scott.
Original Torchwood series is sci-fi trying to be gritty take on Doctor Who style of monsters and boundary-pushing.
Haha, no. Torchwood wanted to be gritty and adult, but it felt like it was written by a group of eleven year old boys. It's actually really sad, if you think about it. The writers were asked to make Doctor Who more mature and all they came back with was "BOOBIES!" And because they wanted to push the envelope, the entire cast was bisexual or gay (or omnisexual) and managed to have sex most episodes with characters of no import. What annoys me the most is how thematically insignificant the sex-thing was. There was no point to it except to shout, "Look at how edgy and adult we are!"
I heard it got better in later episodes, but I had given up on the series at that point.
Also, I should mention, Torchwood had bad acting, poor directing, and shitty writing, but the bar is set so low that I'm willing to give Torchwood some leeway in this.
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BethrynUnhappiness is MandatoryRegistered Userregular
So it was sci-fi, trying to be gritty, using Doctor Who style of monsters, pushing "boundaries". ;p
I didn't say it was all that good. Although there were some pretty good episodes to be honest.
Small Worls, Countrycide, Out of Time and Captain Jack Harkness from Season 1 for example.
I saw Children of Earth for the first time last night. I assume most of you doubt Miracle Day will ever get anywhere near as good as CoE?
Four episodes in.
Miracle Day is still crap.
The only character I can stand is Gwen. Everyone else is just shit, even Jack Harkness.
Eh? Every character annoys me, but Gwen is the only one I actively hate. Stop whining, Gwen! STOP WHINING RIGHT NOW!
What on earth is she whining about? I haven't noticed anything.
Better than CAPTAIN ANGER who's only feature is BEING THE ANGRY BLACK MAN WHO IS ANGRY AND WANTS TO BEAT UP PEOPLE AND IS ANGRY BECAUSE OTHER PEOPLE ARE BETTER THAN HIM AT EVERYTHING ANGER ANGER ANGER.
I'm not enjoying this half as much as I'd hoped. The execution is so irritatingly sloppy.
Even the editing is bad. Example: As Oswald approaches the hospital entrance, we see reporters watch him from no less than 100 feet away behind barriers. Then, after he has gone inside and is standing in the middle of a large room full of people, we repeatedly cut back to those same reporters (still outside, still behind the barricades) jumping up and down, calling "Oswald!" to get his attention, reacting with ooh's and ah's to the things he is saying (sans microphone) and doing (which they clearly cannot see) inside the building.
I think the idea there was they could see him through the windows and could tell that he was speechifying and they were trying to get him to come out to do an interview
All they had to do was shoot 10 seconds of footage of reporters not 100' feet away and cut to it with the exiting audio track. I get that the idea was that they were much closer to the action, but what they chose to show us did not seem to match that reality. I call that sloppy.
While I don't want to defend everything that Rex does so far, the guy does have ground beef where his heart is, and is in constant pain because of it. I'd probably be kind of a prick too if that were me.
I'd cut the guy a little slack because of that. Not all though. Just a little.
"The sausage of Green Earth explodes with flavor like the cannon of culinary delight."
He was a prick before that, though. In the brief time we saw him prior to the accident, he was gloating because somebody got cancer and he got a promotion out of the deal.
Rex also did the same fucked up thing Esther did; he went to visit his dad. Did I miss something or how do the characters know it was her that was followed and not him? As the audience we were shown the guy in black taking pictures of Esther but also of Gwen but the characters don't know any of that.
So, I watched half of the first season of Torchwood but the continual theme of the characters being horrified to realize that death was the end and there was nothing awaiting them just depressed the hell out of me. Did they continue to bang that drum throughout?
So, I watched half of the first season of Torchwood but the continual theme of the characters being horrified to realize that death was the end and there was nothing awaiting them just depressed the hell out of me. Did they continue to bang that drum throughout?
They build on that, actually. It is a bit more complicated than "nothing," for certain.
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aerynkellynothing to see here, move alongRegistered Userregular
Rex also did the same fucked up thing Esther did; he went to visit his dad. Did I miss something or how do the characters know it was her that was followed and not him? As the audience we were shown the guy in black taking pictures of Esther but also of Gwen but the characters don't know any of that.
I think Rex would have jumped to that conclusion regardless - I actually wish it had been him who was followed instead of Esther. Rex is definitely my least favorite character.
I might check out tonight's episode - but I think I'm done. I wrote the recap for Episode 4 a couple days ago and I just don't see this thing getting any better, and in fact, it almost seems as if they're going to start gunning for the opportunity to make Children of Earth seem retroactively WORSE.
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I think it's mostly because of the absolute dearth of semi-decent sci-fi dramas at the moment that I'll keep watching.
Bill Pullman is a great actor doing his best in a terribly thought-out role.
Also this needs to be in the OP:
:P
haha didn't see that when I watched, awesome. and added.
I agree about the PR lady, that was just weird showing up with the docs, and the whole scene after just screamed "I am critical to the plot later but right now this was the best they could do to work me into the story". Just weird.
edit: ahahaha my super conservative boss is gonna LOVE this latest episode.
Also, the soulless are creepy as fuck.
The soulless are interesting (and yes, creepy as fuck!) - I wonder if they are going to become an enemy of sorts later.
Phicorp...dun dun dun! No surprise there that the big baddy is a pharmaceutical company.
The Doctor and Rose don't show up on Torchwood, but Jack will come back occasionally to Doctor Who, so keep watching.
Wut wut?
Ep 1. Ep. 2
Haven't written the Episode 3 one yet, but I will say - this episode had maybe 20 minutes of semi-decent Torchwood stuff in it. Which is more than the 2 previous episodes had combined. I still get the feeling that this show was concieved as a 5-parter, and then they got Starz onboard, and they just stretched it out to fit their broadcast schedule. The Phicorp discovery feels like it would have been the perfect cliffhanger ending to Episode 1, and instead, it comes at about 20 minutes into Episode 3.
The Danes character only JUST NOW got interesting.
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Even the editing is bad. Example: As Oswald approaches the hospital entrance, we see reporters watch him from no less than 100 feet away behind barriers. Then, after he has gone inside and is standing in the middle of a large room full of people, we repeatedly cut back to those same reporters (still outside, still behind the barricades) jumping up and down, calling "Oswald!" to get his attention, reacting with ooh's and ah's to the things he is saying (sans microphone) and doing (which they clearly cannot see) inside the building.
I think the idea there was they could see him through the windows and could tell that he was speechifying and they were trying to get him to come out to do an interview
That's the plan.
But yeah, it's not unwatchable, but so far it is below average. Best part though was totally:
Oh, and yes, the following absolutely needs to happen in the final episode:
*Squeeeeek*
The Doctor: Ah, good ol' Planet Earth. Always nice to pop in and....
*puts finger in the air, then licks it*
WHAT THE FUCK DID YOU DO?
Four episodes in.
Miracle Day is still crap.
The only character I can stand is Gwen. Everyone else is just shit, even Jack Harkness.
Then Children of Earth is basically pretty run-of-the-mill political drama... with Doctor Who style monsters playing the role of terrorists.
And now Miracle Day is more or less a tiny bit of dramamentary coupled with Spooks... and maybe with Doctor Who style monsters.
I really can't say there's much difference in quality between all of them really. In almost all cases, they've been carried by specific actors or actresses, since they're pretty much always based on weak storylines and not-as-deep-as-they-hoped commentary.
Eh? Every character annoys me, but Gwen is the only one I actively hate. Stop whining, Gwen! STOP WHINING RIGHT NOW!
Mekhi Phifer (Matheson) needs to stop chewing the scenery. The entire Torchwood team consists of pretty bad actors, but Phifer twitches with every word. He can't stay still when he talks. He's like a bobblehead doll during an earthquake.
Also, there was this one scene where Bill Pullman is talking a room of abandoned patients.
Bill Pullman: I'm the only one who's thinking about you! Here's a blanket! Blankets make everything better!
Old Guy: Hey, aren't you the guy who raped and killed this teenage girl!
Bill Pullman: Yes, that did happen, but now I'm standing by you!
Old Guy: Okay then! Thank you!
That's what I got from that scene. Every sentence ends with an exclamation mark, which I feel is center to the Torchwood experience. If I got a few details wrong, it's because I was also going through TVTropes entries at the time. In my defense, I think multitasking is a great way to watch mediocre television. It allows you to skip the parts you dislike and only pay attention to the better parts. It's how I managed to enjoy Stargate Universe. The show I watched had no Chloe, TJ, or Scott.
Haha, no. Torchwood wanted to be gritty and adult, but it felt like it was written by a group of eleven year old boys. It's actually really sad, if you think about it. The writers were asked to make Doctor Who more mature and all they came back with was "BOOBIES!" And because they wanted to push the envelope, the entire cast was bisexual or gay (or omnisexual) and managed to have sex most episodes with characters of no import. What annoys me the most is how thematically insignificant the sex-thing was. There was no point to it except to shout, "Look at how edgy and adult we are!"
I heard it got better in later episodes, but I had given up on the series at that point.
Also, I should mention, Torchwood had bad acting, poor directing, and shitty writing, but the bar is set so low that I'm willing to give Torchwood some leeway in this.
I didn't say it was all that good. Although there were some pretty good episodes to be honest.
Small Worls, Countrycide, Out of Time and Captain Jack Harkness from Season 1 for example.
What on earth is she whining about? I haven't noticed anything.
Better than CAPTAIN ANGER who's only feature is BEING THE ANGRY BLACK MAN WHO IS ANGRY AND WANTS TO BEAT UP PEOPLE AND IS ANGRY BECAUSE OTHER PEOPLE ARE BETTER THAN HIM AT EVERYTHING ANGER ANGER ANGER.
All they had to do was shoot 10 seconds of footage of reporters not 100' feet away and cut to it with the exiting audio track. I get that the idea was that they were much closer to the action, but what they chose to show us did not seem to match that reality. I call that sloppy.
Seriously.
Esther screwed up, and now two of your team are in danger. Do you:
A) Hurry in to the building and try to protect your team mates
or
Stay in the car and scream at Esther until both of your team have been knocked unconscious, and are being held at gun point.
Rat fucker needs to die.
I'd cut the guy a little slack because of that. Not all though. Just a little.
I think Rex would have jumped to that conclusion regardless - I actually wish it had been him who was followed instead of Esther. Rex is definitely my least favorite character.
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