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Welcome to [Torchwood]: Miracle (abandon all hope ye who enter) Day (Beware Spoilers)

aerynkellyaerynkelly nothing to see here, move alongRegistered User regular
edited August 2011 in Debate and/or Discourse
In case you're not aware, Torchwood is a spin-off series from Doctor Who. If you're a Who fan, you should definitely also be a Torchwood fan. The show looked doomed at the end of its last season
killing off most the cast, yeah that's great for a series longevity!
but...

The Miracle Day is upon us - anyone else out there watching? I need opinions people! :-D

So nice to see Jack back in action - I'm hoping they have time in this short 10 episode span to tell us what Jack got up to when he took off, but I have a feeling the episodes will be too action packed to really fit that in.
Anyone notice the Exit signs are green? Think there's something to that?

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  • Zilla360Zilla360 21st Century. |She/Her| Trans* Woman In Aviators Firing A Bazooka. ⚛️Registered User regular
    Enjoying it so far, though I have a laundry list of things that are terrible about it. (Spoilers).
    I think it's mostly because of the absolute dearth of semi-decent sci-fi dramas at the moment that I'll keep watching.

    Bill Pullman is a great actor doing his best in a terribly thought-out role.

    Also this needs to be in the OP:

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    :P

  • aerynkellyaerynkelly nothing to see here, move along Registered User regular
    Zilla360 wrote:

    Also this needs to be in the OP:
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    :P

    haha didn't see that when I watched, awesome. and added.

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  • aerynkellyaerynkelly nothing to see here, move along Registered User regular
    Zilla360 wrote:
    Enjoying it so far, though I have a laundry list of things that are terrible about it. (Spoilers).

    I agree about the PR lady, that was just weird showing up with the docs, and the whole scene after just screamed "I am critical to the plot later but right now this was the best they could do to work me into the story". Just weird.

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  • BlazeFireBlazeFire Registered User regular
    She is giving off the "she is more than she appears and knows more than she is saying" vibe. I think it was supposed to be weird and to be a bit forced.

  • SniperGuySniperGuy SniperGuyGaming Registered User regular
    edited July 2011
    Haha oh Jack. You and gay bars.

    edit: ahahaha my super conservative boss is gonna LOVE this latest episode.

    Also, the soulless are creepy as fuck.

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  • Zilla360Zilla360 21st Century. |She/Her| Trans* Woman In Aviators Firing A Bazooka. ⚛️Registered User regular
    A mortal man has mortal needs... "WOO! SEX BREAK EPISODE!"

  • aerynkellyaerynkelly nothing to see here, move along Registered User regular
    ...and now we know why this is on Starz and not regular cable.

    The soulless are interesting (and yes, creepy as fuck!) - I wonder if they are going to become an enemy of sorts later.

    Phicorp...dun dun dun! No surprise there that the big baddy is a pharmaceutical company.

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  • TofystedethTofystedeth Registered User regular
    I just started watching Who again a few weeks ago. I'd seen a few episodes with my parents many years ago as a kid, but never was able to keep up with it. I'm about 10 episodes in to after Tennant Who showed up, and I was like, wait... Torchwood? Isn't there a show by that name? Also I was pretty stoked to see Captain Jack heading up the team. I'm only about 6 eps in so far cause I started a couple days ago, but do we ever find out how he got off the space station and back to our present, and do the Dr and Rose show up?

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  • aerynkellyaerynkelly nothing to see here, move along Registered User regular
    You're about 6 eps into what, season 1 of Torchwood? Your questions do get answered...if I say more than that, it'd be spoilers, and you really should just watch and enjoy :) Miracle Day is (sorta) season 4 of Torchwood.

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  • Bionic MonkeyBionic Monkey Registered User, ClubPA regular
    He used his vortex manipulator, but overshot into the 1800's, and took the long-route to present day.

    The Doctor and Rose don't show up on Torchwood, but Jack will come back occasionally to Doctor Who, so keep watching.

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  • DaxonDaxon Registered User regular
    Sex scene from nowhere.

    Wut wut?

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  • Fatboy RobertsFatboy Roberts Registered User regular
    I've been recapping this for NerdPuddle.com

    Ep 1. Ep. 2

    Haven't written the Episode 3 one yet, but I will say - this episode had maybe 20 minutes of semi-decent Torchwood stuff in it. Which is more than the 2 previous episodes had combined. I still get the feeling that this show was concieved as a 5-parter, and then they got Starz onboard, and they just stretched it out to fit their broadcast schedule. The Phicorp discovery feels like it would have been the perfect cliffhanger ending to Episode 1, and instead, it comes at about 20 minutes into Episode 3.

    The Danes character only JUST NOW got interesting.

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  • aerynkellyaerynkelly nothing to see here, move along Registered User regular
    They gave a ton of hints tonight about who is behind the Miracle Day - at first I thought it was one thing, but Jack wasn't involved with them so now I'm not sure. Definitely a better episode though.

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  • DasUberEdwardDasUberEdward Registered User regular
    I am sort of glad I didn't get too invested into this show after hearing some reviews.

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  • SchrodingerSchrodinger Registered User regular
    Wow, blondie is like ungodly stupid.

  • ArbitraryDescriptorArbitraryDescriptor Registered User regular
    edited July 2011
    I'm not enjoying this half as much as I'd hoped. The execution is so irritatingly sloppy.

    Even the editing is bad. Example: As Oswald approaches the hospital entrance, we see reporters watch him from no less than 100 feet away behind barriers. Then, after he has gone inside and is standing in the middle of a large room full of people, we repeatedly cut back to those same reporters (still outside, still behind the barricades) jumping up and down, calling "Oswald!" to get his attention, reacting with ooh's and ah's to the things he is saying (sans microphone) and doing (which they clearly cannot see) inside the building.

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  • aerynkellyaerynkelly nothing to see here, move along Registered User regular
    I'm not enjoying this half as much as I'd hoped. The execution is so irritatingly sloppy.

    Even the editing is bad. Example: As Oswald approaches the hospital entrance, we see reporters watch him from no less than 100 feet away behind barriers. Then, after he has gone inside and is standing in the middle of a large room full of people, we repeatedly cut back to those same reporters (still outside, still behind the barricades) jumping up and down, calling "Oswald!" to get his attention, reacting with ooh's and ah's to the things he is saying (sans microphone) and doing (which they clearly cannot see) inside the building.

    I think the idea there was they could see him through the windows and could tell that he was speechifying and they were trying to get him to come out to do an interview

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  • SniperGuySniperGuy SniperGuyGaming Registered User regular
    I'm still enjoying this. I liked Jack's light to metal scratches speech quite a bit in this last episode. Also,
    Do you make everyone around you gay?
    That's the plan.

  • Zilla360Zilla360 21st Century. |She/Her| Trans* Woman In Aviators Firing A Bazooka. ⚛️Registered User regular
    Rex was being a total dick to Esther. No wonder his dad hates him.

  • override367override367 ALL minions Registered User regular
    This isnt so bad I won't watch it, after all Barrowman is entertaining even in schlock, but it could really use with Matt Smith popping in and futzing with things to jazz it up a bit

  • The WolfmanThe Wolfman Registered User regular
    edited July 2011
    Zilla360 wrote:
    Rex was being a total dick to Esther. No wonder his dad hates him.
    To be fair... that goddamn silly goose totally deserved it. Seriously, what the fuck?

    But yeah, it's not unwatchable, but so far it is below average. Best part though was totally:
    The look on Jack and Gwen's face when Rex shot the guy right before he was about to spill everything. In the throat.

    Oh, and yes, the following absolutely needs to happen in the final episode:
    *Wheee huhhhhh Weee huhhhhh Toooonk*
    *Squeeeeek*

    The Doctor: Ah, good ol' Planet Earth. Always nice to pop in and....
    *puts finger in the air, then licks it*
    WHAT THE FUCK DID YOU DO?

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  • Hexmage-PAHexmage-PA Registered User regular
    I saw Children of Earth for the first time last night. I assume most of you doubt Miracle Day will ever get anywhere near as good as CoE?

  • DaxonDaxon Registered User regular
    Hexmage-PA wrote:
    I saw Children of Earth for the first time last night. I assume most of you doubt Miracle Day will ever get anywhere near as good as CoE?

    Four episodes in.

    Miracle Day is still crap.

    The only character I can stand is Gwen. Everyone else is just shit, even Jack Harkness.

  • BethrynBethryn Unhappiness is Mandatory Registered User regular
    Original Torchwood series is sci-fi trying to be gritty take on Doctor Who style of monsters and boundary-pushing.
    Then Children of Earth is basically pretty run-of-the-mill political drama... with Doctor Who style monsters playing the role of terrorists.
    And now Miracle Day is more or less a tiny bit of dramamentary coupled with Spooks... and maybe with Doctor Who style monsters.

    I really can't say there's much difference in quality between all of them really. In almost all cases, they've been carried by specific actors or actresses, since they're pretty much always based on weak storylines and not-as-deep-as-they-hoped commentary.

    ...and of course, as always, Kill Hitler.
  • TeaSpoonTeaSpoon Registered User regular
    Daxon wrote:
    Hexmage-PA wrote:
    I saw Children of Earth for the first time last night. I assume most of you doubt Miracle Day will ever get anywhere near as good as CoE?

    Four episodes in.

    Miracle Day is still crap.

    The only character I can stand is Gwen. Everyone else is just shit, even Jack Harkness.

    Eh? Every character annoys me, but Gwen is the only one I actively hate. Stop whining, Gwen! STOP WHINING RIGHT NOW!

    Mekhi Phifer (Matheson) needs to stop chewing the scenery. The entire Torchwood team consists of pretty bad actors, but Phifer twitches with every word. He can't stay still when he talks. He's like a bobblehead doll during an earthquake.

    Also, there was this one scene where Bill Pullman is talking a room of abandoned patients.

    Bill Pullman: I'm the only one who's thinking about you! Here's a blanket! Blankets make everything better!
    Old Guy: Hey, aren't you the guy who raped and killed this teenage girl!
    Bill Pullman: Yes, that did happen, but now I'm standing by you!
    Old Guy: Okay then! Thank you!

    That's what I got from that scene. Every sentence ends with an exclamation mark, which I feel is center to the Torchwood experience. If I got a few details wrong, it's because I was also going through TVTropes entries at the time. In my defense, I think multitasking is a great way to watch mediocre television. It allows you to skip the parts you dislike and only pay attention to the better parts. It's how I managed to enjoy Stargate Universe. The show I watched had no Chloe, TJ, or Scott.

  • TeaSpoonTeaSpoon Registered User regular
    Bethryn wrote:
    Original Torchwood series is sci-fi trying to be gritty take on Doctor Who style of monsters and boundary-pushing.

    Haha, no. Torchwood wanted to be gritty and adult, but it felt like it was written by a group of eleven year old boys. It's actually really sad, if you think about it. The writers were asked to make Doctor Who more mature and all they came back with was "BOOBIES!" And because they wanted to push the envelope, the entire cast was bisexual or gay (or omnisexual) and managed to have sex most episodes with characters of no import. What annoys me the most is how thematically insignificant the sex-thing was. There was no point to it except to shout, "Look at how edgy and adult we are!"

    I heard it got better in later episodes, but I had given up on the series at that point.

    Also, I should mention, Torchwood had bad acting, poor directing, and shitty writing, but the bar is set so low that I'm willing to give Torchwood some leeway in this.

  • BethrynBethryn Unhappiness is Mandatory Registered User regular
    So it was sci-fi, trying to be gritty, using Doctor Who style of monsters, pushing "boundaries". ;p

    I didn't say it was all that good. Although there were some pretty good episodes to be honest.

    Small Worls, Countrycide, Out of Time and Captain Jack Harkness from Season 1 for example.

    ...and of course, as always, Kill Hitler.
  • DaxonDaxon Registered User regular
    TeaSpoon wrote:
    Daxon wrote:
    Hexmage-PA wrote:
    I saw Children of Earth for the first time last night. I assume most of you doubt Miracle Day will ever get anywhere near as good as CoE?

    Four episodes in.

    Miracle Day is still crap.

    The only character I can stand is Gwen. Everyone else is just shit, even Jack Harkness.

    Eh? Every character annoys me, but Gwen is the only one I actively hate. Stop whining, Gwen! STOP WHINING RIGHT NOW!

    What on earth is she whining about? I haven't noticed anything.

    Better than CAPTAIN ANGER who's only feature is BEING THE ANGRY BLACK MAN WHO IS ANGRY AND WANTS TO BEAT UP PEOPLE AND IS ANGRY BECAUSE OTHER PEOPLE ARE BETTER THAN HIM AT EVERYTHING ANGER ANGER ANGER.

  • ArbitraryDescriptorArbitraryDescriptor Registered User regular
    aerynkelly wrote:
    I'm not enjoying this half as much as I'd hoped. The execution is so irritatingly sloppy.

    Even the editing is bad. Example: As Oswald approaches the hospital entrance, we see reporters watch him from no less than 100 feet away behind barriers. Then, after he has gone inside and is standing in the middle of a large room full of people, we repeatedly cut back to those same reporters (still outside, still behind the barricades) jumping up and down, calling "Oswald!" to get his attention, reacting with ooh's and ah's to the things he is saying (sans microphone) and doing (which they clearly cannot see) inside the building.

    I think the idea there was they could see him through the windows and could tell that he was speechifying and they were trying to get him to come out to do an interview

    All they had to do was shoot 10 seconds of footage of reporters not 100' feet away and cut to it with the exiting audio track. I get that the idea was that they were much closer to the action, but what they chose to show us did not seem to match that reality. I call that sloppy.

  • Bionic MonkeyBionic Monkey Registered User, ClubPA regular
    Zilla360 wrote:
    Rex was being a total dick to Esther. No wonder his dad hates him.

    Seriously.
    After that scene in the car, I'm actively hoping for his death when they get all this reversed.

    Esther screwed up, and now two of your team are in danger. Do you:

    A) Hurry in to the building and try to protect your team mates

    or

    B) Stay in the car and scream at Esther until both of your team have been knocked unconscious, and are being held at gun point.

    Rat fucker needs to die.

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  • The WolfmanThe Wolfman Registered User regular
    While I don't want to defend everything that Rex does so far, the guy does have ground beef where his heart is, and is in constant pain because of it. I'd probably be kind of a prick too if that were me.

    I'd cut the guy a little slack because of that. Not all though. Just a little.

    "The sausage of Green Earth explodes with flavor like the cannon of culinary delight."
  • JonBobJonBob Registered User regular
    He was a prick before that, though. In the brief time we saw him prior to the accident, he was gloating because somebody got cancer and he got a promotion out of the deal.

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  • BlazeFireBlazeFire Registered User regular
    Rex also did the same fucked up thing Esther did; he went to visit his dad. Did I miss something or how do the characters know it was her that was followed and not him? As the audience we were shown the guy in black taking pictures of Esther but also of Gwen but the characters don't know any of that.

  • spool32spool32 Contrary Library Registered User, Transition Team regular
    So, I watched half of the first season of Torchwood but the continual theme of the characters being horrified to realize that death was the end and there was nothing awaiting them just depressed the hell out of me. Did they continue to bang that drum throughout?

  • JonBobJonBob Registered User regular
    spool32 wrote:
    So, I watched half of the first season of Torchwood but the continual theme of the characters being horrified to realize that death was the end and there was nothing awaiting them just depressed the hell out of me. Did they continue to bang that drum throughout?
    They build on that, actually. It is a bit more complicated than "nothing," for certain.

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  • aerynkellyaerynkelly nothing to see here, move along Registered User regular
    BlazeFire wrote:
    Rex also did the same fucked up thing Esther did; he went to visit his dad. Did I miss something or how do the characters know it was her that was followed and not him? As the audience we were shown the guy in black taking pictures of Esther but also of Gwen but the characters don't know any of that.

    I think Rex would have jumped to that conclusion regardless - I actually wish it had been him who was followed instead of Esther. Rex is definitely my least favorite character.

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  • Fatboy RobertsFatboy Roberts Registered User regular
    I might check out tonight's episode - but I think I'm done. I wrote the recap for Episode 4 a couple days ago and I just don't see this thing getting any better, and in fact, it almost seems as if they're going to start gunning for the opportunity to make Children of Earth seem retroactively WORSE.

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