I might check out tonight's episode - but I think I'm done. I wrote the recap for Episode 4 a couple days ago and I just don't see this thing getting any better, and in fact, it almost seems as if they're going to start gunning for the opportunity to make Children of Earth seem retroactively WORSE.
Look. Someone has to do it. At least to the halfway mark.
For the good of humanity, we cannot let this monstrosity go undocumented.
One of the many things that bothered me about the gay sex scene was, "Oh, we don't have to use condoms, because we can't die."
Yeah, because losing your entire immune system to AIDS is absolutely awesome and has no consequences whatsoever other than death. Also, we can safely assume that Miracle Day is permanent, and that you won't find yourself mortal again at any point in time in the future.
Goddamn, Dr. Lady is stupid. She knows that she's working to investigate a massive conspiracy, and she decides that it's a good idea to tell the guy that he's going to be prosecuted and jailed?
Ok now I am definitely done with this show. Good fucking christ that was all over the place.
EDIT: I should expand on this - RTD has no god damn character consistency. This episode started off veering about wildly, and then kept at it pretty much throughout. Evidently they've given up on establishing "miracle" ground rules since they've been happily changing them up left right and center (i.e. how come Oswald Danes appears to suffer absolutely no ill-effects from the lethal injection whatsoever, whereas other people don't seem to actually be conscious but are "not dead"?)
All of the Torchwood staff seem to act like idiots, with the notable issue being that they irrelevantly committed all their staff to operational activities leaving the run-down apartment full of high-tech and alien computer hardware unguarded.
And I just cannot give a fuck about the incineration reveal. I mean, actually it seems very practical: if people are so dead as to be unconscious, then turning them into ash seems like the ideal solution to actually rendering them completely dead. Maybe we should explore this quandry further, but no wait, there's a real risk it would undermine pretty much everything about the premise if they did, so instead we're going to have a tiresome psycho plot in the Overflow camp with the ridiculous number of campy male characters.
EDIT 2: In fact, I think I've spotted the thing which I absolutely loathe in just about everything the man has created - he has no clue. He did not do the research. Everything he writes is really just a series of ridiculous stereotypes that he's trying to transcribe into a plot - police, detective investigation, covert ops, the media, politicians, the military, "people", the legal system - they all act, in his productions, exactly like people's derisive generalizations say they should.
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Hahaha, this episode was so bad.
Gwen and Rhys take her dad back to the Camp of Evil, because that's a good fucking idea.
Rex wanders around a high security pen with a video camera, and the guards obviously all face outward. Not to mention this is the area where the Vera or whatever her name was is dumped by public housing guy and incompetent newbie officer (who lets himself get disarmed by public housing guy???), so muck only knows how Rex a) misses Vera getting dumped into the tiny square the ovens are kept in and b) eludes detection.
The Jack Pose is used like five times (hint: it wasn't all that great in the original series), and Dane's weird decision to follow him continues to be weird.
And we learn absolutely nothing new. Like, at least the last episode dropped hints with things like "what you gave them a long time ago Jack", but not only do we see almost nothing of what was on that server besides the overflow camps, but the grand reveal is incineration.
So far, the plot and character development - much like Children of Earth - could've been fitted into half the episodes. Actually, no, a third in this case.
My god, this thing is a trainwreck. The only reason I keep watching is to see how bad it will get.
I feel bad for telling my dad he should watch it when he asked me about it (before it started).
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China said no to the Overflow Camps if I recall correctly.
Honestly though, the motivation for whatever is behind this is so weird.
You turn the whole world immortal, and you plan for what's going to happen. You know diseases will spread and population will boom. So you segregate the ill, and effectively kill the "dead" via fire. So what do you gain?
Immortality for yourself? Maybe, but you have to be damned careful about accidents and illnesses, and since you still age (which is interesting since Jack aged very slowly if at all; the transition from Jack to the Face of Boe was always vague and occurred over the period of a few million years iirc), what do you gain out of it anyway?
Money? Woohoo, you're pharmaceutical companies and governments; you already had that.
Power? Well, given the governments are already in on it, I'd say they probably had power enough.
Control over who lives and who dies? For what purpose? Were they worried about the inevitable population boom? There are plenty of solutions that don't involve moronic crap like this.
I was hoping it'd be some sort of alien that thrives on 'the essence of life' or something, keeping everyone alive to feast more on the energy, but who knows? The writing seems intent on keeping any sort of relevant information regarding the reason as far away as possible while distracting us with some of the least interesting character 'development' of Torchwood thus far.
And the only even remote hint of the paranormal being involved was that warehouse. I wasn't even sure if Rex actually meant something like the TARDIS when he said it was "bigger on the inside" or if they just didn't have any idea of the warehouse's scale when they went in.
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I wasn't even sure if Rex actually meant something like the TARDIS when he said it was "bigger on the inside" or if they just didn't have any idea of the warehouse's scale when they went in.
I have to say that the overflow camps and "the final solution" isn't that shocking to me. You have people that are brain dead(or close to it), never going to get better and no way to cure them? I say fire up the crematorium and turn them into dust.
Its not that shocking to a society that has had debates about doctor assisted suicide and "dignity of death". Imortality without eternal youth, means that eventualy everyone of us will turn into cancer ridden, stroke induced vegetables in the end anyways. We would still be dead, we would just still be breathing and taking up space. Giving us a nice dose of morphine and firing up the old crematorium would be a blessing.
The only radical societal change I can see is there would be more treatment for cases like Rex and voluntary end of life suicide would be legal. That and we we would get rid of Morticans. If we got Jack style Imortality on the other hand... That would fuck things up.
What should be scary about miracle day is that there are people behind it and Miracle day is only one step in their master plan. Not the Miracle day itself. Like the scary part of Children of Earth wasn't the Aliens, but the goverments eagerness to bargain with them.
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Gwen's dad has a heart attack, and she goes around yelling for help, even though there's no chance he could die.
I mean, I suppose that it's possible that he would lose oxygen to the brain and suffer brain damage or something, but I doubt that's what the writer was thinking.
I'm not done with the show, but at this point I think all I'm watching it for is for more of the government and medical implications of the Miracle. I still find them interesting as hell. And hell, Strawman has a Point. Burning the people in perpetual comas makes a lot of sense. It only goes into "ooooh eeeevvvviiiiillll" when you include heart attack victims who are only unconscious.
Raise your hand if you saw what was going to happen to Doctor dumbshit 15 seconds before it happened.
Also, I got the impression at the end that Oswald might be illiterate. Thing is, they already said he was a schoolteacher, and I have no damn clue what such a revelation would have to do with the plot.
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I knew what the moduls where the moment they called them moduls instead of labratories or "special wards". Shit, I have been thinking about them using a crematorium since episode one.
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I was hoping the modules would take the victims underground to where the aliens were hiding so they could suck the life out of the dead people. 8(
Is it just me or could the doctor have been like "OTHER PEOPLE KNOW I'M HERE, THINK ABOUT THIS" to the soldier? I mean, "disappearing" someone who shows up for an inspection doesn't actually work, because now that person's missing and you're the last person anyone saw them talk to
You know I'm kind of pissed off about how good this could have been. The crematoriums make perfect fucking sense for people who are actually gone, like that woman who was the victim of domestic abuse and braindead.
But come the fuck on you're telling me that they're only doing barely cursory checks on people before throwing them in the frier? Really? Oh right nobody knows they get cremated, it's a big worldwide conspiracy even though there are thousands of these facilities employing millions of people in an age where everyone is carrying a camera.
Didn't RTD crap all over Stargate when they signed Robert Carlyle? Well uh, even the very worst spots of Universe was still better than this shit. I mean really, this is the worst show I've watched since Heroes. It's so, so bad.
Jack can upload a virus erasing Torchwood from the entire internet, but he can't upload the speech he gave to Oswald directly?
I mean, you can't even say "People wouldn't believe the statements unless it came from Oswald directly." Oswald is a child killer. Yeah, maybe some people take him to be a prophet, but what about the rest of the world?
I have really had to just shut my mind off to watch this, and even then some things slip through and make me go "What the hell?"
Something I don't think we have talked about is how this show has a really strange episodic format. Each episode is self-contained, but in a very messy way. There is always a clear time jump between episodes but the episodes end on near-cliffhangers. Very off-putting. It wouldn't surprise me next week to see the first scene and go "Wait, didn't we leave off with Rex and Esther in the camp watching the doctor being burned alive? Why are they back at their house planning the next move?"
And Oswald's storyline has not made any real sense at all.
have they completely abandoned the whole "jack is omni sexual, not really gay" thing?
would that be too complex for the average viewer so they just reduce it down to "jack is gay?"
I'm pretty sure RTD thinks that would be too complex for the average American.
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Definitely, definitely a crap episode. What is the point of the side story of Gwen's dad, I mean really, other than to send Gwen back to the UK. I really hope that ends up being "useful" in some way and she doesn't just come back to the US, because if she does, I'll lose it. I agree that the crematoriums make sense, though I'm not sure I understand why they felt the need to build special camps and hide them from satellites - why not use the crematoriums already built? I suppose this centralizes things, but still, why the cloak and dagger? It's already pretty much been mandated that this is martial law, no choice in the matter, so why not just be upfront with what you're doing? And yes, I caught that China said no to it - which seriously, given their population, I don't know how they could.
I would be interested in seeing Miracle Day in its entirety, with all the useless crap cut out and proper timeline structuring. As it's already been said, what a mess this is.
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I'm pretty sure RTD thinks that would be too complex for the average American.
I don't think it's that so much as that Jack just has a load of backstory that reintroducing to the audience would be too long and distract from The Real Plot (which is obviously too important to interrupt).
Definitely, definitely a crap episode. What is the point of the side story of Gwen's dad, I mean really, other than to send Gwen back to the UK. I really hope that ends up being "useful" in some way and she doesn't just come back to the US, because if she does, I'll lose it. I agree that the crematoriums make sense, though I'm not sure I understand why they felt the need to build special camps and hide them from satellites - why not use the crematoriums already built? I suppose this centralizes things, but still, why the cloak and dagger? It's already pretty much been mandated that this is martial law, no choice in the matter, so why not just be upfront with what you're doing? And yes, I caught that China said no to it - which seriously, given their population, I don't know how they could.
I would be interested in seeing Miracle Day in its entirety, with all the useless crap cut out and proper timeline structuring. As it's already been said, what a mess this is.
It is really, really annoying how they've fucked this up - given how good the premise is, as others have said. A big problem seems to be the insistence on making Miracle Day seem like some massive crisis, which it really isn't.
I'm gonna go ahead and guess that the aliens are really benevolent.
They're part of an enlightened group of aliens that go around and grant various species the gift of immortality, but initially as a test to find out whether or not they're suited for it.
Phicorp is just one alien faction that wants humanity to fail.
Ok now I am definitely done with this show. Good fucking christ that was all over the place.
EDIT: I should expand on this - RTD has no god damn character consistency. This episode started off veering about wildly, and then kept at it pretty much throughout. Evidently they've given up on establishing "miracle" ground rules since they've been happily changing them up left right and center (i.e. how come Oswald Danes appears to suffer absolutely no ill-effects from the lethal injection whatsoever, whereas other people don't seem to actually be conscious but are "not dead"?).
Episode 1: Burn victim, 90% of his body has been incinerated. Jack, in a very Jack move (the only one, perhaps), looks on callously and suggests severing what little remains of the spinal column: The victim's head keeps moving. "Fuck yeah," I exclaim.
Episode 5: People are in comas all over the place.
Fuck, even last episode: that lady gets mashed up in a car crusher and 'survives'. They really pulled the category 1 out of their ass here. This is such a frustrating waste of a good concept.
Why have the writers decided that Rhys is the one who's good in a pinch and Gwen is the bumbling idiot? "Help, we were breaking my father out of your facility and he had a heart attack, please help us or he'll..."
Or he'll what? Keep on yelling? It's been 5 days, how long does it take the average person to accept that death has stopped being a thing?
Wow, did Jack really think that he could force the conspiracy leader to confess by holding a girlfriend that he was going to leave anyway hostage? In what world would that have worked?
You know, I have actually liked most of Torchwood to this point, including the first two seasons. I have not seen a single episode of Miracle Day, but this thread is already depressing me. Maybe...they should just go back to episodic format. Children of Earth was great and all, but maybe they should save those types of series for the stories that are actually good.
Unless of course, you are just all insane and Miracle Day is actually amazing. Yeah, ok, I will go with that until this lands on Netflix and reality sets back in.
Wow, did Jack really think that he could force the conspiracy leader to confess by holding a girlfriend that he was going to leave anyway hostage? In what world would that have worked?
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Look. Someone has to do it. At least to the halfway mark.
For the good of humanity, we cannot let this monstrosity go undocumented.
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Yeah, because losing your entire immune system to AIDS is absolutely awesome and has no consequences whatsoever other than death. Also, we can safely assume that Miracle Day is permanent, and that you won't find yourself mortal again at any point in time in the future.
Probably should have had level 1 & 2 patients in there though, just to make it more chilling. As it stands it sucks but its a realistic approach.
Also, china standing up for human rights over the rest of the world...
EDIT: I should expand on this - RTD has no god damn character consistency. This episode started off veering about wildly, and then kept at it pretty much throughout. Evidently they've given up on establishing "miracle" ground rules since they've been happily changing them up left right and center (i.e. how come Oswald Danes appears to suffer absolutely no ill-effects from the lethal injection whatsoever, whereas other people don't seem to actually be conscious but are "not dead"?)
All of the Torchwood staff seem to act like idiots, with the notable issue being that they irrelevantly committed all their staff to operational activities leaving the run-down apartment full of high-tech and alien computer hardware unguarded.
And I just cannot give a fuck about the incineration reveal. I mean, actually it seems very practical: if people are so dead as to be unconscious, then turning them into ash seems like the ideal solution to actually rendering them completely dead. Maybe we should explore this quandry further, but no wait, there's a real risk it would undermine pretty much everything about the premise if they did, so instead we're going to have a tiresome psycho plot in the Overflow camp with the ridiculous number of campy male characters.
EDIT 2: In fact, I think I've spotted the thing which I absolutely loathe in just about everything the man has created - he has no clue. He did not do the research. Everything he writes is really just a series of ridiculous stereotypes that he's trying to transcribe into a plot - police, detective investigation, covert ops, the media, politicians, the military, "people", the legal system - they all act, in his productions, exactly like people's derisive generalizations say they should.
Gwen and Rhys take her dad back to the Camp of Evil, because that's a good fucking idea.
Rex wanders around a high security pen with a video camera, and the guards obviously all face outward. Not to mention this is the area where the Vera or whatever her name was is dumped by public housing guy and incompetent newbie officer (who lets himself get disarmed by public housing guy???), so muck only knows how Rex a) misses Vera getting dumped into the tiny square the ovens are kept in and b) eludes detection.
The Jack Pose is used like five times (hint: it wasn't all that great in the original series), and Dane's weird decision to follow him continues to be weird.
And we learn absolutely nothing new. Like, at least the last episode dropped hints with things like "what you gave them a long time ago Jack", but not only do we see almost nothing of what was on that server besides the overflow camps, but the grand reveal is incineration.
So far, the plot and character development - much like Children of Earth - could've been fitted into half the episodes. Actually, no, a third in this case.
Also, I kinda missed the China comment because I was multi-tasking at the time, what did China do?
I feel bad for telling my dad he should watch it when he asked me about it (before it started).
Honestly though, the motivation for whatever is behind this is so weird.
You turn the whole world immortal, and you plan for what's going to happen. You know diseases will spread and population will boom. So you segregate the ill, and effectively kill the "dead" via fire. So what do you gain?
Immortality for yourself? Maybe, but you have to be damned careful about accidents and illnesses, and since you still age (which is interesting since Jack aged very slowly if at all; the transition from Jack to the Face of Boe was always vague and occurred over the period of a few million years iirc), what do you gain out of it anyway?
Money? Woohoo, you're pharmaceutical companies and governments; you already had that.
Power? Well, given the governments are already in on it, I'd say they probably had power enough.
Control over who lives and who dies? For what purpose? Were they worried about the inevitable population boom? There are plenty of solutions that don't involve moronic crap like this.
I was hoping it'd be some sort of alien that thrives on 'the essence of life' or something, keeping everyone alive to feast more on the energy, but who knows? The writing seems intent on keeping any sort of relevant information regarding the reason as far away as possible while distracting us with some of the least interesting character 'development' of Torchwood thus far.
And the only even remote hint of the paranormal being involved was that warehouse. I wasn't even sure if Rex actually meant something like the TARDIS when he said it was "bigger on the inside" or if they just didn't have any idea of the warehouse's scale when they went in.
Its not that shocking to a society that has had debates about doctor assisted suicide and "dignity of death". Imortality without eternal youth, means that eventualy everyone of us will turn into cancer ridden, stroke induced vegetables in the end anyways. We would still be dead, we would just still be breathing and taking up space. Giving us a nice dose of morphine and firing up the old crematorium would be a blessing.
The only radical societal change I can see is there would be more treatment for cases like Rex and voluntary end of life suicide would be legal. That and we we would get rid of Morticans. If we got Jack style Imortality on the other hand... That would fuck things up.
What should be scary about miracle day is that there are people behind it and Miracle day is only one step in their master plan. Not the Miracle day itself. Like the scary part of Children of Earth wasn't the Aliens, but the goverments eagerness to bargain with them.
I mean, I suppose that it's possible that he would lose oxygen to the brain and suffer brain damage or something, but I doubt that's what the writer was thinking.
Raise your hand if you saw what was going to happen to Doctor dumbshit 15 seconds before it happened.
Also, I got the impression at the end that Oswald might be illiterate. Thing is, they already said he was a schoolteacher, and I have no damn clue what such a revelation would have to do with the plot.
would that be too complex for the average viewer so they just reduce it down to "jack is gay?"
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You know I'm kind of pissed off about how good this could have been. The crematoriums make perfect fucking sense for people who are actually gone, like that woman who was the victim of domestic abuse and braindead.
But come the fuck on you're telling me that they're only doing barely cursory checks on people before throwing them in the frier? Really? Oh right nobody knows they get cremated, it's a big worldwide conspiracy even though there are thousands of these facilities employing millions of people in an age where everyone is carrying a camera.
I mean, you can't even say "People wouldn't believe the statements unless it came from Oswald directly." Oswald is a child killer. Yeah, maybe some people take him to be a prophet, but what about the rest of the world?
Something I don't think we have talked about is how this show has a really strange episodic format. Each episode is self-contained, but in a very messy way. There is always a clear time jump between episodes but the episodes end on near-cliffhangers. Very off-putting. It wouldn't surprise me next week to see the first scene and go "Wait, didn't we leave off with Rex and Esther in the camp watching the doctor being burned alive? Why are they back at their house planning the next move?"
And Oswald's storyline has not made any real sense at all.
Not entirely. There was that whole "I only get a kiss?" bit this episode. But it's definitely less nuanced than in previous seasons.
I'm pretty sure RTD thinks that would be too complex for the average American.
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I would be interested in seeing Miracle Day in its entirety, with all the useless crap cut out and proper timeline structuring. As it's already been said, what a mess this is.
It is really, really annoying how they've fucked this up - given how good the premise is, as others have said. A big problem seems to be the insistence on making Miracle Day seem like some massive crisis, which it really isn't.
They're part of an enlightened group of aliens that go around and grant various species the gift of immortality, but initially as a test to find out whether or not they're suited for it.
Phicorp is just one alien faction that wants humanity to fail.
Episode 1: Burn victim, 90% of his body has been incinerated. Jack, in a very Jack move (the only one, perhaps), looks on callously and suggests severing what little remains of the spinal column: The victim's head keeps moving. "Fuck yeah," I exclaim.
Episode 5: People are in comas all over the place.
Fuck, even last episode: that lady gets mashed up in a car crusher and 'survives'. They really pulled the category 1 out of their ass here. This is such a frustrating waste of a good concept.
Why have the writers decided that Rhys is the one who's good in a pinch and Gwen is the bumbling idiot? "Help, we were breaking my father out of your facility and he had a heart attack, please help us or he'll..."
Or he'll what? Keep on yelling? It's been 5 days, how long does it take the average person to accept that death has stopped being a thing?
I'll never look down on Season 1-2 of Torchwood again, because they were the best television ever compared to Miracle Day.
I really don't know if I can make it to the end of the season.
Unless of course, you are just all insane and Miracle Day is actually amazing. Yeah, ok, I will go with that until this lands on Netflix and reality sets back in.
This one.
EDIT: I didn't think they had too far further down to go from the previous episode, but they sure kicked out the bottom of the barrel.
The problem is that some plot points won't make sense without horrible acting.