I just despise how the old one was so casually tossed aside.
Yeah, Flashpoint wasn't exactly Crisis on Infinite Earths or Whatever Happened to the Man of Tomorrow. Instead of seeing familiar characters in their finest hour, we saw Barry Allen hang out in an alternate universe and then inadvertently overwrite his universe with a new one.
Surely he didn't overwrite everything. I mean, did he intentionally change Wonder Woman's origin and do the same with the greek gods? What about events in other planets? How did he get there? Why did he change stuff? Why are key events in Batman's history closer together? To accomplish this he'd have to have known about Jason Todd's death by the Joker. I find it difficult to believe he'd have let that happen with his new time traveling super-powers. He's erase it instead IMO. Not to mention Wally West has disappeared from the universe with no explanation, along with Donna Troy. Surely Barry isn't such a dick he'd erase those two from every existing. One was his sidekick and successor, after all. The other was the sidekick for Wonder Woman, one of the DCU's most respected super-heroines.
I don't remember exactly how Flashpoint ended, but I do know that Barry was responsible for rebuilding the previous universe and that he failed to do so (partly because of the interference enigmatic cosmic entity #5532342).
If the story took place at any other point in the company's history, Barry would now be striving to restore things as they were and bring back his friends and family. Instead, because DC decided to reboot everything, a new universe has come to fruition and Barry's old universe has been lost.
Yeah Flash didn't just change the way he interacted with the world on his last trip. He was able to "stitch" together the possibilities of the world. The whole universe changed and it was purely him doing the best he could not picking and choosing.
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I need to ask something here. I'm usually a Marvel guy, and they're pretty good about the whole multi-verse thing (letting people know what's part of the main cannon and what's not) but I'm not too up to date on DC. As I said, I just read Kingdom Come, so where does that fit in? Also, is the other Alex Ross illustrated trade any good?
What other DC trades are good in general? I've got Arkham: Serious House...., Batman Beyond: Hush Beyond, and now Kingdom Come. I've been eyeballin' Lex Luthor: Man of Steel, Killing Joke and Long Halloween. Are those good? Also, what are some good Lantern or Justice League trades or other heroes? I kinda want to expand from just Superman and Batman.
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Kingdom Come is sort of it's own thing, it's just a possible future story.
Those three trades are all worth reading.
For Green Lantern, that corner of the DC Universe has been pretty good for a long time now. What really kicked off the whole direction of modern GL stuff is Green Lantern: Rebirth.
Kingdom Come is sort of it's own thing, it's just a possible future story.
Those three trades are all worth reading.
For Green Lantern, that corner of the DC Universe has been pretty good for a long time now. What really kicked off the whole direction of modern GL stuff is Green Lantern: Rebirth.
A couple years back DC had been putting more and more of Kingdom Come into the main DCU. They had the KC Superman show up and join the JSA, they brought Magog into it and a bunch of other stuff. All that's gone now that the DCnU is around. That's probably for the best anyway, Kingdom Come is fantastic as a stand-alone and doesn't really need to be part of mainline DC.
I need to ask something here. I'm usually a Marvel guy, and they're pretty good about the whole multi-verse thing (letting people know what's part of the main cannon and what's not) but I'm not too up to date on DC. As I said, I just read Kingdom Come, so where does that fit in? Also, is the other Alex Ross illustrated trade any good?
What other DC trades are good in general? I've got Arkham: Serious House...., Batman Beyond: Hush Beyond, and now Kingdom Come. I've been eyeballin' Lex Luthor: Man of Steel, Killing Joke and Long Halloween. Are those good? Also, what are some good Lantern or Justice League trades or other heroes? I kinda want to expand from just Superman and Batman.
Well the first thing to do is burn Hush Beyond. Burn it to ash.
Kingdom Come is barely about superman. I liked it a lot though. I've heard amazing things about MArk Waid's run on the flash. Never got to track it down.
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Admittedly the guy who wrote the article is a grumpy nerd, but he backs his up with pretty compelling evidence and plenty of quotes from the guy who is quitting the Superman book after six issues.
Long story short, there's apparently multiple guys at DC who are making multiple and contradictory continuity changes on a monthly basis.
Hows Red Son? Talk about it in the movie thread piqued my interest.
It's a good story about Superman landing in Soviet Russia instead of Kansas, and he literally does everything to keep the trains running on time and make communism work, slowly expanding its influence to other countries. Lex Luthor has pretty much never had a better role as Superman's foil, and it's got a really good ending that Grant Morrison gave to Millar.
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The epilogue is a little bananas, if you ask me. But it's a great story all around.
Red Son is part of DC's Elseworlds series, where they take established characters and play a game of 'what if?', in this case 'what if instead of Kansas Superman landed somewhere in the USSR?'. These stories are short and normally only last 3 or 5 issues. Gives them a chance to tell some great stories without impacting DC proper.
As a sometimes comic book reader, I loved Red Son. A nice 'What if' scenario that didn't end with Supes turning evil (Well, that part is kinda debatable) The ending was a nice twist too. Also, who wouldn't like..
Red Son is part of DC's Elseworlds series, where they take established characters and play a game of 'what if?', in this case 'what if instead of Kansas Superman landed somewhere in the USSR?'. These stories are short and normally only last 3 or 5 issues. Gives them a chance to tell some great stories without impacting DC proper.
Yeah Marvel tends to do those as events which is a shame. a Modern What-if series that told stories rather than just blurbs would be cool.
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I need to ask something here. I'm usually a Marvel guy, and they're pretty good about the whole multi-verse thing (letting people know what's part of the main cannon and what's not) but I'm not too up to date on DC. As I said, I just read Kingdom Come, so where does that fit in? Also, is the other Alex Ross illustrated trade any good?
What other DC trades are good in general? I've got Arkham: Serious House...., Batman Beyond: Hush Beyond, and now Kingdom Come. I've been eyeballin' Lex Luthor: Man of Steel, Killing Joke and Long Halloween. Are those good? Also, what are some good Lantern or Justice League trades or other heroes? I kinda want to expand from just Superman and Batman.
Grant Morrison's JLA - still very bat/super-centric, but a great serires of stories about all sorts of people and villians.
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I need to ask something here. I'm usually a Marvel guy, and they're pretty good about the whole multi-verse thing (letting people know what's part of the main cannon and what's not) but I'm not too up to date on DC. As I said, I just read Kingdom Come, so where does that fit in? Also, is the other Alex Ross illustrated trade any good?
What other DC trades are good in general? I've got Arkham: Serious House...., Batman Beyond: Hush Beyond, and now Kingdom Come. I've been eyeballin' Lex Luthor: Man of Steel, Killing Joke and Long Halloween. Are those good? Also, what are some good Lantern or Justice League trades or other heroes? I kinda want to expand from just Superman and Batman.
Grant Morrison's JLA - still very bat/super-centric, but a great serires of stories about all sorts of people and villians.
Things you should check out:
All-Star Superman
I'll second Morrison's JLA run
Green Lantern: Sinestro War
Green Lantern: Blackest Night
Find a trade of the original run of 52
Yes, get Killing Joke and Long Halloween
You might also want to check out Villains United/Secret Six
I don't know Lex Luthor: Man of Steel
There's no plan, there's no race to be run
The harder the rain, honey, the sweeter the sun.
I understand the original Alan Scott got his power after a train crash. I get it. I understand that sometimes a hero needs loss to help define him, that they can't win every time.
But he's been gay all of a month and we're already killing off the boyfriend? Seriously? Especially after women in refrigerators shit that STARTED with the last Green Lantern.
Have the damn boyfriend miss the train, for god's sake. Or have him start out single.
There's no plan, there's no race to be run
The harder the rain, honey, the sweeter the sun.
I think it shows remarkable equality on DC's part. It actually would be stranger if they didn't kill off his lover like they do for the good ol' heterosexual green lanterns.
It does sort of seem like a cynical way to present your character as gay without having to show him in a sexual relationship with another man. As long as he remains caught up in mourning and suerheroics, he can remain functionally asexual.
Sort of like how JK Rowling wanted Dumbledore to be gay but depicted him as utterly asexual.
In the end the character's only gay for the press release, not the story itself.
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Yeah Flash didn't just change the way he interacted with the world on his last trip. He was able to "stitch" together the possibilities of the world. The whole universe changed and it was purely him doing the best he could not picking and choosing.
What other DC trades are good in general? I've got Arkham: Serious House...., Batman Beyond: Hush Beyond, and now Kingdom Come. I've been eyeballin' Lex Luthor: Man of Steel, Killing Joke and Long Halloween. Are those good? Also, what are some good Lantern or Justice League trades or other heroes? I kinda want to expand from just Superman and Batman.
Those three trades are all worth reading.
For Green Lantern, that corner of the DC Universe has been pretty good for a long time now. What really kicked off the whole direction of modern GL stuff is Green Lantern: Rebirth.
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A couple years back DC had been putting more and more of Kingdom Come into the main DCU. They had the KC Superman show up and join the JSA, they brought Magog into it and a bunch of other stuff. All that's gone now that the DCnU is around. That's probably for the best anyway, Kingdom Come is fantastic as a stand-alone and doesn't really need to be part of mainline DC.
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Well the first thing to do is burn Hush Beyond. Burn it to ash.
Kingdom Come is barely about superman. I liked it a lot though. I've heard amazing things about MArk Waid's run on the flash. Never got to track it down.
Long story short, there's apparently multiple guys at DC who are making multiple and contradictory continuity changes on a monthly basis.
http://www.toplessrobot.com/2012/06/breaking_dcs_new_52_might_not_have_been_completely.php
It's a good story about Superman landing in Soviet Russia instead of Kansas, and he literally does everything to keep the trains running on time and make communism work, slowly expanding its influence to other countries. Lex Luthor has pretty much never had a better role as Superman's foil, and it's got a really good ending that Grant Morrison gave to Millar.
That is the original origin.
The original Superman origin is not that he is an alien from another planet.
It was changed before the full origin was revealed.
Well, his spaceship landed in Soviet Russia instead of Kansas.
Everything else plays out from that.
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Yeah Marvel tends to do those as events which is a shame. a Modern What-if series that told stories rather than just blurbs would be cool.
I mean, they aren't portrayed as good guys
Grant Morrison's JLA - still very bat/super-centric, but a great serires of stories about all sorts of people and villians.
TylerJ on League of Legends (it's free and fun!)
Things you should check out:
All-Star Superman
I'll second Morrison's JLA run
Green Lantern: Sinestro War
Green Lantern: Blackest Night
Find a trade of the original run of 52
Yes, get Killing Joke and Long Halloween
You might also want to check out Villains United/Secret Six
I don't know Lex Luthor: Man of Steel
The harder the rain, honey, the sweeter the sun.
http://margoism.tumblr.com/post/26205007761/dc-kills-off-gay-green-lanterns-boyfriend-already
I understand the original Alan Scott got his power after a train crash. I get it. I understand that sometimes a hero needs loss to help define him, that they can't win every time.
But he's been gay all of a month and we're already killing off the boyfriend? Seriously? Especially after women in refrigerators shit that STARTED with the last Green Lantern.
Have the damn boyfriend miss the train, for god's sake. Or have him start out single.
The harder the rain, honey, the sweeter the sun.
Sort of like how JK Rowling wanted Dumbledore to be gay but depicted him as utterly asexual.
In the end the character's only gay for the press release, not the story itself.
https://twitter.com/Hooraydiation