PS3: "I'm no longer a wii"

Spectral Swallow

http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/2007/02/23/euro_ps3/

The gist of it is, that PS3 will no longer have motion sensing and BC will be limited(the limited BC was already in another thread, but the motion sensing is new) I think this is good news, this means that the price for PS3 will drop significantly.

*chortle*



EDIT: Actually it looks like they may have misread as the press release didn't say anything about this, but knowing Sony...

BahamutZERO

More like europe's getting it in the rear. Again.

bruin

The BC thing has been posted about 9 times, but motion sensing wha?

plufim

So.... we're paying MORE for a nerfed PS3.

Ridiculous.

Edit: hang on, he says the motion sensitive stuff is gone, but doesn't quote any sources for it.

BTP

Spectral Swallow wrote: »

http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/2007/02/23/euro_ps3/

The gist of it is, that PS3 will no longer have motion sensing and BC will be limited(the limited BC was already in another thread, but the motion sensing is new) I think this is good news, this means that the price for PS3 will drop significantly.

*chortle*

I guess that explains what happened with Warhawk.

I think the only way people won't go apeshit over this is if they bring back rumble. Remember they said something about "rumble is old, tilt is new" around E3? What will they have if they drop the tilt?

DevoutlyApathetic

Sweet Jeebus. I can't believe it. I didn't think Sony could fuck up harder then it has, but wow. Four months from launch and they're backpedaling on their console features already. They must be hemorrhaging massive amounts of cash if they're doing this.

GG Sony, you've managed to out do yourself.

bruin

It's tomshardware.co.uk a reputable site? I feel like this we be pretty huge news and would be everywhere.

DeepQantas

Sony to sell Nintendo in three years.

plufim

You know, I seriously do not believe this tilt stuff. A mate of mine works at a game dev, and they're making a PS3 game. And tilt is still in their game.

Surely sony would have told them.

GertBeef

Well if thats true.. that was fast.

randombattle

BTP wrote: »

Remember they said something about "rumble is old, tilt is new" around E3? What will they have if they drop the tilt?

I don't think it would be any different from all the other bs they have shot themselves in the foot with.

AbsoluteZero

Maybe they'll add back rumble?

Feral

They would be fucking themselves in the ass with a rusty razor if they nerfed BC.

Then again, Sony seems to have a fetish for autorustyrazorodomy.

Spectral Swallow

bruin wrote: »

It's tomshardware.co.uk a reputable site? I feel like this we be pretty huge news and would be everywhere.

This was just added today and I've read on a few other sites about the press release(though none of them said anything about the gimped motion sensing) still looking for a back-up source.

But that sites been pretty reliable in the past.

Zephos

plufim wrote: »

You know, I seriously do not believe this tilt stuff. A mate of mine works at a game dev, and they're making a PS3 game. And tilt is still in their game.

Surely sony would have told them.

because sony was also smart enough to give the warhawk team like 2 weeks before e3 to implement tilt.....

Evander

so, if this is true, is it PAL only, or will support for Motion stop elsewhere?

BTP

Evander wrote: »

so, if this is true, is it PAL only, or will support for Motion stop elsewhere?

If it's PAL only, it's one weird way to have indirect region locking.

Zephos

i'm still weary of this...

considering how kojima was all hot on the biscuit for the motion too.

Mr_Rose

BTP wrote: »

If it's PAL only, it's one weird way to have indirect region locking.

But would it work as a region lock for games that don't have Motion sensing?

Anyway, is it just me or is the PS3 sounding more and more like a bad decision with every press release?

AbsoluteZero

It's bullshit.

As you can see there, it says nothing about tossing out motion control in the press release.

DarkPrimus

AbsoluteZero wrote: »

It's bullshit.

As you can see there, it says nothing about tossing out motion control in the press release.

Maybe it's a suprise.

Zephos

i knew it was too good to be true.

plufim

Dropping sixaxis just... doesn't make sense.

Controllers are made the same for all regions. If its dropped from PAL, it's dropped everywhere. And the latest news from the spiderman 3 game is the use of sixaxis in some exclusive PS3 hoverboard content.

The PS2 playback being nerfed though - there's many sources from that, uncluding an interview with a sony guy: yahoo news

edit: ah, the official press release. This made me lol:

Rather than concentrate on PS2 backwards compatibility, in the future, company resources will be increasingly focused on developing new games and entertainment features exclusively for PS3, truly taking advantage of this exciting technology.

Man, I love how this is pretty much exactly what microsoft said re: xbox360, and sony chastised them for it. "True backward compatibility" was supposed to be one of the big advantages of the PS3.

Spectral Swallow

Alrighty, I guess we can take http://www.tomshardware.co.uk off the 'reputable sites' list. It's pretty bad when I first read it I said "That sounds just like Sony."

Drunk_caterpillar

I... see?

Mr_Rose

Well, that's a relief. I really want to know where Tomshardware got that idea though; they're usually pretty reliable...

As for the Press Release, it doesn't mention a lack of motion sensing, but the choice of words in some places is intriguing, eg:

...compatible with a broad range of original PlayStation® (PS) titles and a limited range of PlayStation®2 (PS2) titles.

(Emphasis mine.)
What does that mean exactly? I really would like to know if that means "every PS game we can remember making and every PS2 game you'd actually wan t to play" or "80% of every PS game ever and 50% of PS2 games, only not any of the ones you actually own"

plufim

Why is it you guys think it will be only good games that are backward compatible for PS3? Don't you remember when the xbox360 could play barbie horse adventure but NOT pyschonauts?

The games that work will be the highest sellers and the ones which used the same or similar engines. Don't expect the unique minor selling games we enjoy to be the top of the list to be emulated for a while.

HadjiQuest

Mr_Rose wrote: »

Well, that's a relief. I really want to know where Tomshardware got that idea though; they're usually pretty reliable...

As for the Press Release, it doesn't mention a lack of motion sensing, but the choice of words in some places is intriguing, eg:

...compatible with a broad range of original PlayStation® (PS) titles and a limited range of PlayStation®2 (PS2) titles.

(Emphasis mine.)
What does that mean exactly? I really would like to know if that means "every PS game we can remember making and every PS2 game you'd actually wan t to play" or "80% of every PS game ever and 50% of PS2 games, only not any of the ones you actually own"

It means that the PS1 backwards compatibility is hardware based like it was in the PS2, but some games may still have trouble due to the different disc read speeds and save-system access and whatnot. PS2 emulation will be software based like it is on the 360, so it will be on a per-game/per-feature basis.

Zephos

"According to iSupply’s estimate on the Bill Of Material of the PS3, they’ll save $27 on this."

source


Edit: maybe toms hardware saw "Emotion engine" (the emulation hardware or software or whatever the hell it is) and thought it said motion?

Spectral Swallow

Does anyone have that link to all the mistakes Sony's made over the past like year or two? I was thinking it was on a forum somewhere else.

His Corkiness

HadjiQuest wrote: »

Mr_Rose wrote: »

Well, that's a relief. I really want to know where Tomshardware got that idea though; they're usually pretty reliable...

As for the Press Release, it doesn't mention a lack of motion sensing, but the choice of words in some places is intriguing, eg:

...compatible with a broad range of original PlayStation® (PS) titles and a limited range of PlayStation®2 (PS2) titles.

(Emphasis mine.)
What does that mean exactly? I really would like to know if that means "every PS game we can remember making and every PS2 game you'd actually wan t to play" or "80% of every PS game ever and 50% of PS2 games, only not any of the ones you actually own"

It means that the PS1 backwards compatibility is hardware based like it was in the PS2, but some games may still have trouble due to the different disc read speeds and save-system access and whatnot. PS2 emulation will be software based like it is on the 360, so it will be on a per-game/per-feature basis.

That doesn't make any sense. For them to be doing hardware PS1 emulation and not hardware PS2 emulation, they'd have to have gone and produced a bunch of outdated PS1 chips just so they can stick them inside the PS3. That'd be a really stupid thing to do considering PS2s are still being produced and have a PS1 chip inside them already.

The more likely meaning is that they simply have got a better PS1 software emulator written than a PS2 software emulator, compatibility-wise. They've probably been working on the code for a PS1 emulator for years longer than they have their PS2 emulator, so it's probably the case.

StriderEdge

The PSone chipset might be used for sound on the PS3. I'm not fully sure but many PS2 titles used the PSone chipset for sound so it might be a standard on the PS3. Its still a bad idea to remove the PS2 chipset... if its anything like the 360 less then half of my games will be supported.

DevoutlyApathetic

His Corkiness you're assuming that the PS1 actually costs any kind of considerable amount of money. It was never called out in iSupply's lists.

PhoneBone

I can see why Sony'd remove the emotion engine and going the software emulation route. It can be constantly upgrade to the point where most PS2 titles will work.

However, removing the motion controls, I highly doubt it.
I remember reading that Factor 5's Lair depens heavily on it. So it wouldn't be playable on a PAL machine or they'd have to rework large parts of the game for a PAL release.

Dublo7

Sony are such fucking idiots.

Senjutsu

If this is true this is a fucking retarded move on Sony's part.

In other news suns shiny water wet?

Dublo7

One has to wonder if this is a really vague acknowledgment on Sony's part that the Six Axis motion control sucks the big one.

I haven't heard anything good about Six Axis.

darleysam

so with the 'motion-sense removal' talk being debunked (seriously, wtf?), this thread is now basically this thread?

Rohan

darleysam wrote: »

so with the 'motion-sense removal' talk being debunked (seriously, wtf?), this thread is now basically this thread?

Basically, we all hate Sony, m i rite?

Lunker

AbsoluteZero wrote: »

It's bullshit.

As you can see there, it says nothing about tossing out motion control in the press release.

Can we get a title edit, please? I hate to see disinformation tossed around, especially when people don't read the entire thread. Sony's having a hard enough time managing the truths about the PS3.

Zephos

no, we cant edit the title.