Actually some within Federation had a secret project not to just make a cloaking device but a phase-shifting cloaking device that would allow them to travel through solid matter. This was revealed during the TNG episode called The Pegasus, a ship which Riker was once part of.
They also mention in the same episode that the Feds don't do cloaking due to the Treaty of Algeron.
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Phasing...oh dear god don't open THAT can of worms up.
They never really define what exactly a cloaking device is. Is it something that makes ships invisible to sensors? It can't be that since the Federation has a bunch of different ways to mask their warp signature and hide their ships from sensors. Is it just something that makes ships invisible to the naked eye? That's not very useful since ships rarely get within visual range of each other.
(Unification 1&2) A nice two-parter. Good to see Spock made a cameo appearance.
(A Matter of Time) The argument Picard has over changing the past/future would have been stronger had the episode not ended with the revelation about the guy running a con. As it was, a good episode mired by a slightly too clever ending.
The issue I have with A Matter of Time is that he claims he can't give Picard the info because he'd be changing the timeline, and that would alter his time. But he's altering the timeline by just being there. It's the butterfly effect, where small changes can grow and lead to drastically different results. It's splendidly illustrated in Bradbury's short story "A Sound of Thunder."
It's moot because he's from the past and didn't give a rat's ass about preserving the timeline, but eh... always bugs me.
He could always have said that history shows he made his visit, but didn't tell anyone anything of value. Or that the timeline is resistant to change if you don't muck about too much.
That's exactly what he was doing. Delta Assault was pointing out that Picard should have seen through the ruse, since even his visit was already tampering with the timeline.
Anyway, (New Ground) Hey, Worf doesn't screw around. Kid says he's scared, he's gonna lift that wreckage off of him.
Yeah, but then he could have just hand waved it away with some 'I don't want to debate the physics of time travel with you picard'. I think he was on to him almost the entire time really. The argument he was presenting to prevent the disaster came off as a little manipulative, in that he's a superb and able negotiator who should easily see through a con like this.
I think the actual issue with that episode is the old hat time travel. Star Trek almost always deals with tensed time, not enough tenseless. I think 'All good things...' is one of the few episodes to delve into the latter.
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They never really define what exactly a cloaking device is. Is it something that makes ships invisible to sensors? It can't be that since the Federation has a bunch of different ways to mask their warp signature and hide their ships from sensors. Is it just something that makes ships invisible to the naked eye? That's not very useful since ships rarely get within visual range of each other.
It's a manipulation of the standard shields to bend any/all radiation around the ship instead of absorbing impacts etc., combined with a sort of 'silent running' mode and massive waste heat dumps to prevent the ship itself emitting anything.
Or at least anything that doesn't look like the CMB.
It really shouldn't work at warp, of course.
The Phased Cloak seems to be vastly more efficient though, since you can apparently run at full power with it in operation; no wonder the Romulans wanted one of their own…
My theory is some things from TOS are silly and should be ignored in the NEW REALITY.
I always like to imagine that The Original Series is just how the film era crew remembered those days, whereas the films are a more literal representation of the look, feel and rules of that universe. Memory can be simplistic, inconsistent, bigger than life, and romantic.
Kinda doesn't work when they keep going back to the TOS era sets in later series though.
My theory is some things from TOS are silly and should be ignored in the NEW REALITY.
I always like to imagine that The Original Series is just how the film era crew remembered those days, whereas the films are a more literal representation of the look, feel and rules of that universe. Memory can be simplistic, inconsistent, bigger than life, and romantic.
Kinda doesn't work when they keep going back to the TOS era sets in later series though.
That was one of the cool/meta things about Babylon 5. The series and movies turn out to be in-universe historical re-enactments for in-universe TV audiences.
My theory is some things from TOS are silly and should be ignored in the NEW REALITY.
I always like to imagine that The Original Series is just how the film era crew remembered those days, whereas the films are a more literal representation of the look, feel and rules of that universe. Memory can be simplistic, inconsistent, bigger than life, and romantic.
Kinda doesn't work when they keep going back to the TOS era sets in later series though.
That was one of the cool/meta things about Babylon 5. The series and movies turn out to be in-universe historical re-enactments for in-universe TV audiences.
I've heard this before, but never seen the episode/movie that shows this. Could you point me in the right direction?
But the Terminator was able to learn more about humans in a week than Data did in 20 years.
I was referring to Sarah Connor's little spiel about how the Terminator would never abandon him, never hit him, etc. Data wouldn't be able to provide the emotional context and support a child would need, but I'd trust him with parenting before I'd trust a whole heck of a lot of people.
I always like to imagine that The Original Series is just how the film era crew remembered those days, whereas the films are a more literal representation of the look, feel and rules of that universe. Memory can be simplistic, inconsistent, bigger than life, and romantic.
"Kahn? Ah yes I remember when I found him on the Botany Bay. I was a lot thinner and I had more hair back then, and I didn't need those glasses."
My theory is some things from TOS are silly and should be ignored in the NEW REALITY.
I always like to imagine that The Original Series is just how the film era crew remembered those days, whereas the films are a more literal representation of the look, feel and rules of that universe. Memory can be simplistic, inconsistent, bigger than life, and romantic.
Kinda doesn't work when they keep going back to the TOS era sets in later series though.
That was one of the cool/meta things about Babylon 5. The series and movies turn out to be in-universe historical re-enactments for in-universe TV audiences.
I've heard this before, but never seen the episode/movie that shows this. Could you point me in the right direction?
that was just the last episode. A group from Earth was altering historical records for a propaganda film using holograms, for some reason they felt the characters should be completely authentic in their performance and as all holodeck programs do they went rogue and transmitted the Humans' evil plan to the rest of the galaxy who then bombed earth back to the dark ages. Literally.
The lesson being: Don't fuck with Garabaldi, alive or dead, he'll still kick your ass.
My theory is some things from TOS are silly and should be ignored in the NEW REALITY.
I always like to imagine that The Original Series is just how the film era crew remembered those days, whereas the films are a more literal representation of the look, feel and rules of that universe. Memory can be simplistic, inconsistent, bigger than life, and romantic.
Kinda doesn't work when they keep going back to the TOS era sets in later series though.
That was one of the cool/meta things about Babylon 5. The series and movies turn out to be in-universe historical re-enactments for in-universe TV audiences.
I've heard this before, but never seen the episode/movie that shows this. Could you point me in the right direction?
that was just one of the later episodes. A group from Earth was altering historical records for a propaganda film using holograms, for some reason they felt the characters should be completely authentic in their performance and as all holodeck programs do they went rogue and transmitted the Humans' evil plan to the rest of the galaxy who then bombed earth back to the dark ages. Literally.
The Deconstruction of Falling Stars. And there's no reason to think that framing device applies beyond the confines of that episode.
While racing light mechs, your Urbanmech comes in second place, but only because it ran out of ammo.
Phasing...oh dear god don't open THAT can of worms up.
That goddamn Ro/Geordi episode.
What, don't you want to talk about that poor Romulan that got knocked out of the Enterprise and is floating somewhere endlessly through space passing through planets, suns, what have you.
I mean is that guy ever even going to die? Is he forever stuck hurling through space going past madness at his situation. If he can die does his body rot? Can he rot?
Regarding B5, you'll note that all naration is in past-tense. During Deconstruction of Falling Stars, at +1,000,000 years you find out that the evolved human/minbarii guy has been viewing historical records up to that point. The In-universe re-enactment also shows up in the final episode "Sleeping in the Light", where during the closing credits it pretty plainly states that the entire thing was done in-universe.
Nope. The only series that was entirely and completely an in-universe reenactment for in-universe characters was Enterprise.
Well, there was also St. Elsewhere, where the most common interpretation of the final episode was that the entire series existed as stories in the head of an autistic child.
Also the events in Total Recall were all what Arnold's character was saying he wanted to buy at the beginning when he sat in the memory-altering chair.
And the "happy ending" of Minority Report after Tom Cruise is put into cryogenic prison was a dream he had; they set it up in the movie when they said that people in cryogenic suspension can dream, and everything after he gets frozen works out perfectly for him.
Also the events in Total Recall were all what Arnold's character was saying he wanted to buy at the beginning when he sat in the memory-altering chair.
And the "happy ending" of Minority Report after Tom Cruise is put into cryogenic prison was a dream he had; they set it up in the movie when they said that people in cryogenic suspension can dream, and everything after he gets frozen works out perfectly for him.
Well, you could have mentioned Brazil, where your Minority Report interpretation is LITERALLY what happens at the end of the movie.
Also the events in Total Recall were all what Arnold's character was saying he wanted to buy at the beginning when he sat in the memory-altering chair.
And the "happy ending" of Minority Report after Tom Cruise is put into cryogenic prison was a dream he had; they set it up in the movie when they said that people in cryogenic suspension can dream, and everything after he gets frozen works out perfectly for him.
Well, you could have mentioned Brazil, where your Minority Report interpretation is LITERALLY what happens at the end of the movie.
I've never seen (or even heard of) Brazil. So no, I couldn't have mentioned it :P
Also the events in Total Recall were all what Arnold's character was saying he wanted to buy at the beginning when he sat in the memory-altering chair.
And the "happy ending" of Minority Report after Tom Cruise is put into cryogenic prison was a dream he had; they set it up in the movie when they said that people in cryogenic suspension can dream, and everything after he gets frozen works out perfectly for him.
Well, you could have mentioned Brazil, where your Minority Report interpretation is LITERALLY what happens at the end of the movie.
I've never seen (or even heard of) Brazil. So no, I couldn't have mentioned it :P
Pff. That's what the internet is for. Your Google-fu is terrible.
I always like to imagine that The Original Series is just how the film era crew remembered those days, whereas the films are a more literal representation of the look, feel and rules of that universe. Memory can be simplistic, inconsistent, bigger than life, and romantic.
"Kahn? Ah yes I remember when I found him on the Botany Bay. I was a lot thinner and I had more hair back then, and I didn't need those glasses."
"Wait...was Chekov there? I don't remember that..."
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The reboot? They will be. We've already had major alterations to the mythos.
The same way a ton of countries today don't have nukes, not because they couldn't build them, but because they have no interest in doing so.
Once the Dominion War hit, necessity kinda took over a bit.
They also mention in the same episode that the Feds don't do cloaking due to the Treaty of Algeron.
That goddamn Ro/Geordi episode.
(A Matter of Time) The argument Picard has over changing the past/future would have been stronger had the episode not ended with the revelation about the guy running a con. As it was, a good episode mired by a slightly too clever ending.
It's moot because he's from the past and didn't give a rat's ass about preserving the timeline, but eh... always bugs me.
Anyway, (New Ground) Hey, Worf doesn't screw around. Kid says he's scared, he's gonna lift that wreckage off of him.
I think the actual issue with that episode is the old hat time travel. Star Trek almost always deals with tensed time, not enough tenseless. I think 'All good things...' is one of the few episodes to delve into the latter.
Or at least anything that doesn't look like the CMB.
It really shouldn't work at warp, of course.
The Phased Cloak seems to be vastly more efficient though, since you can apparently run at full power with it in operation; no wonder the Romulans wanted one of their own…
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Oh... yeah.
EDIT: Though, on second thought, the Terminator Parent argument holds even more water with Data. A kid could do worse.
That Terminator was an anomaly. Cameron didn't learn half that much and she had a much longer life.
I always like to imagine that The Original Series is just how the film era crew remembered those days, whereas the films are a more literal representation of the look, feel and rules of that universe. Memory can be simplistic, inconsistent, bigger than life, and romantic.
Kinda doesn't work when they keep going back to the TOS era sets in later series though.
That was one of the cool/meta things about Babylon 5. The series and movies turn out to be in-universe historical re-enactments for in-universe TV audiences.
I've heard this before, but never seen the episode/movie that shows this. Could you point me in the right direction?
I was referring to Sarah Connor's little spiel about how the Terminator would never abandon him, never hit him, etc. Data wouldn't be able to provide the emotional context and support a child would need, but I'd trust him with parenting before I'd trust a whole heck of a lot of people.
"Kahn? Ah yes I remember when I found him on the Botany Bay. I was a lot thinner and I had more hair back then, and I didn't need those glasses."
that was just the last episode. A group from Earth was altering historical records for a propaganda film using holograms, for some reason they felt the characters should be completely authentic in their performance and as all holodeck programs do they went rogue and transmitted the Humans' evil plan to the rest of the galaxy who then bombed earth back to the dark ages. Literally.
The lesson being: Don't fuck with Garabaldi, alive or dead, he'll still kick your ass.
The Deconstruction of Falling Stars. And there's no reason to think that framing device applies beyond the confines of that episode.
I wanted to make sure there wasn't another episode I missed.
What, don't you want to talk about that poor Romulan that got knocked out of the Enterprise and is floating somewhere endlessly through space passing through planets, suns, what have you.
I mean is that guy ever even going to die? Is he forever stuck hurling through space going past madness at his situation. If he can die does his body rot? Can he rot?
Does he need to use the bathroom?
And the "happy ending" of Minority Report after Tom Cruise is put into cryogenic prison was a dream he had; they set it up in the movie when they said that people in cryogenic suspension can dream, and everything after he gets frozen works out perfectly for him.
I've never seen (or even heard of) Brazil. So no, I couldn't have mentioned it :P
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