We don't actually build or mine anymore, we just play with cats all day. Minecraft!

The Good Doctor Tran

Dis' wrote: »

Thrakesh wrote:

Oh - and none of the punching grinder methods work in smp - you cannot hit/target a mob's feet. I read up on a weird method of punching from below a couple of water source blocks, but I think the potential for arrows in your head/explosions would be very high. At this point, the only reliable way to finish the mobs off is to use an arrow. Luckily, arrows are easy to obtain on this server (thanks to all the public skelly farms).

You use a cave spider spawn (since they are 1x1), and then punch them from above through an iron railings grill.

This works on SMP.

Decomposey

nuka wrote:

There's gonna be a new nether made when I update the server. Just so you know.

Update in general, or update to 1.0? And will it be a permeanent nether? I've been waiting for a permanent nether so I can log in and use all the iron I've been hoarding to build a lovely tower.

Drijen

Don't want to start a massive panic and riot or anything but the Bukkit twitter is saying we should have a 1.0 release build tonight as long as nothing explodes. Y'know, if you are in to that kind of thing.

*Note: Nuka has said in the past that we also need to have the plugins we currently use updated to match the RB plus whatever other unholy tinkering it takes to make the server go. But it is a start.

VALVEjunkie

so wednesday at the earliest, then

ultimakay

It depends on the plugin authors stance regarding bukkit builds. Some plugin devs will produce plugin dev builds to go along with the bukkit dev builds while others will not start work on updating their plugin until a RB is out. I think though for most of the plugins we use there should be a new stable build out shortly after the bukkit RB hits.

VALVEjunkie

oh! well alright then.

TUESDAY

Firematic.

Is the "suggested mod" list nuka was putting together going to go in after we update to 1.0 with the existing mods? Or are you guys gonna do one big update with the old mods and new ones at once?
Basically I am eager to release my tiny chicken army.

VALVEjunkie

it depends on how soon they all update, I would think.

apricotmuffins

you can't update yet i havent finished playing skyrim

Firematic.

God what is taking so long muffins

Madpanda

I just started Skyrim on Friday. Maybe Bukkit+plugins will be out once I finish.

Maybe.

Ferret

Madpanda wrote:

I just started Skyrim on Friday. Maybe Bukkit+plugins will be out once I finish.

Maybe.

Just got my 200 hours of skyrim out of the way.......now its time for COD.....then I suppose i could build a dick statue or something.......

Squigie

Etho details a very nice cave spider XP farm in this video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X_RE1uDquI8

eldercore

mob grinders cause so much drama - they should just be disallowed.
what is wrong with getting exp and mob items the normal way?

it is suppose to be hard, isn't it?
that is why if we want a building made from 1000 stone brick blocks we have to make1000 stone brick blocks. the stone brick block faerie does not just fly down and give them to us.

Aeyther

I have my last final Wed, I can craft all the mines after that.

re:Mob Grinding,

Put on some iron armor, grab a diamond sword, run around the desert slaying everything in your path.

jackal

Some people like building castles, some people like building farms, some people like building dongs, and some people like building spawners.

Romanian My Escutcheon

Or you can come to Welden, get stuck in a lag-inducing mine underneath the town, and then get murder-raped by multiple cave spiders.

Romanian My Escutcheon

Welden: Where Cave Spiders Come To Murder-Rape.

Elaro

But, Romanian, that doesn't sound fun at all!

So, the building Mayabird and I are renovating (for the Legion!) might have been built by raneados maybe? I found a bridge near there signed with that name.

I ask because I wanna know if we can get serious about renovating what I'm now calling Sandheim.

Romanian My Escutcheon

It's not!

I killed two spawners, but they still kept coming!

I'm probably going to have to mount an expedition to find the rest of them.

And by "mount," I mean "beg people with better ping and FPS to go down there and kill them so I can keep mining."

Romanian My Escutcheon

Fortunately the only stuff I lost when they go me was a shitton of easily replaceable string.

I'm more upset by my PC's apparent inability to load large cave structures without shitting itself.

The Good Doctor Tran

eldercore wrote: »

mob grinders cause so much drama - they should just be disallowed.
what is wrong with getting exp and mob items the normal way?

it is suppose to be hard, isn't it?
that is why if we want a building made from 1000 stone brick blocks we have to make1000 stone brick blocks. the stone brick block faerie does not just fly down and give them to us.

Grinders don't cause drama if you build them in an appropriate way nor are they easy to build. At least watch the etho video before assuming he's just rolling in exp for doing nothing. There are numerous grinders on this server quietly chugging away and providing things for us. Stuff shouldn't magically appear when you want it, necessarily, but you should be rewarded for ingenuity and effort.

E: On the other hand, screwing up someone's land for no damn reason and ignoring server aesthetic guidelines is not building in an appropriate way. Don't be like donkey.

psyck0

Well, he is right that it wasn't claimed land, and it isn't exactly in sight of callahan, but it was a bit too close to the main south line to be a great choice of location.

Romanian My Escutcheon

So how far outside of Welden have people set up mines?

I'm running low on coal and iron, and it seems like most of it has already been stripped form the quarry, as well as the various mines around town.

pooka

it is a shared server.

the only pre-determined building code is Spawn and surrounding eyeline; people who start their own towns are also allowed to make rules for said town. aesthetics are not universal, and that is okay. it's a big map.

unless an area is clearly marked, it is impossible to determine land use claims. thrakesh apparently made an effort in good faith to locate away from others' sites, and is in fact still working on the project. feel free to complain about its appearance, but s/he is just as free to ignore that criticism in this situation; there aren't any server-wide aesthetic guidelines.

y'all might compromise by lining the railway with a greenway of torched trees, since thrakesh apparently has plans for the cleared plains.

just remember rule one of the server, folks; almost everyone tries to follow it, so give them the benefit of the doubt.

nuka

I care about getting the server updated than throwing new mods on it. The only two mods I'm gunning for at the moment is that running mod, and that book mod. The list I had before was pretty simple, but I do have a number of links saved to check out later on.

EDIT: I'm not gonna make a decision on the XP Ginder until I see it in game.

psyck0

I don't think the grinder is any uglier than a bunch of other stuff on the server, and it's not directly visible from south line or the callahan line. What IS visible is the massive area that was clearcut and lit up.

FirmSkater

Grinding shit manually absolutely kill the fun for a lot of people. If you want to do it the "natural" way having a grinder on the server doesn't stop you from doing that. It just lets people who fucking hate doing the same thing over and over and over get what they need faster and easier.

And if the experience requirements for enchanting are as high as I hear they are then I don't see the problem with making a bit easier for people who hate grinding.

Twixxo

If you are part of the Frost Legion- you may get all the experience you need!

Romanian My Escutcheon

Welp, just lost all my tools, and another map, and a shitton of desperately needed iron and coal.

Fuck Creepers forever.

Also, whoever built that wanderer's station north of Welden, the big creep hole in the door is my fault.

I'll fix it as soon as I can find it.

Drijen

What I got from Thrakesh's response is that it is his land, or at least land adjacent to the other things he's built and located there specifically so it would impact as few people as possible. And that the current look is also do to it being a work in progress. I mean you might not really like the new look of the area, but it sounds to me like efforts were made to make it is palatable as possible and given the number of cobble shithouses we already have I'm more than willing to cut him a break on making something worthwhile for the entire server to use.

The Good Doctor Tran

pooka wrote: »

it is a shared server.

the only pre-determined building code is Spawn and surrounding eyeline; people who start their own towns are also allowed to make rules for said town. aesthetics are not universal, and that is okay. it's a big map.

unless an area is clearly marked, it is impossible to determine land use claims. thrakesh apparently made an effort in good faith to locate away from others' sites, and is in fact still working on the project. feel free to complain about its appearance, but s/he is just as free to ignore that criticism in this situation; there aren't any server-wide aesthetic guidelines.

y'all might compromise by lining the railway with a greenway of torched trees, since thrakesh apparently has plans for the cleared plains.

just remember rule one of the server, folks; almost everyone tries to follow it, so give them the benefit of the doubt.

For the record I was referring to donkey's original obelisk grinder. I haven't seen Thrakesh's.

HallowedFaith

The problem with a game like Minecraft is that every time I start building shit, I fiercely reminded about all the work I should be doing on my own game, and after about 10 minutes or so, I get back to work.

Mayabird

THE RECOMMENDED BUILD IS UP! IT'S FINALLY UP! BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

TO THE NORTH! FOR SHOUTING A LOT!

It makes me so happy that I am no longer angry at Thrakesh except for the floating logs he left all over the scalped plains. That really bugs me.

@Romanian My Escutcheon Ask Utsanomiko, Welden's mayor for help. He should be back on once we upgrade.

Firematic.

Before my laptop shit the bed, I started building directly west of my current tower, across the bay/sea. There is someone on the other side of the river there, its at like 2200that south and uh, 500 east? Just wanted to see who was out there before I start my terraforming. I want to split the river and make one branch wrap around to make a little island.

pooka

The Good Doctor Tran wrote:

pooka wrote: »

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y'all might compromise by lining the railway with a greenway of torched trees (edit - ie, to block view of the clearcut area), since thrakesh apparently has plans for the cleared plains.

just remember rule one of the server, folks; almost everyone tries to follow it, so give them the benefit of the doubt.

For the record I was referring to donkey's original obelisk grinder. I haven't seen Thrakesh's.

this was more aimed @Mayabird and @Thrakesh.

i just borrowed your phrase to reiterate that there is no unified server aesthetic, but i also glossed over or forgot this exception in the wiki:

"Building large structures out of dirt or cobble is never okay. [...]"

the grinder itself is a WiP, sited on lands away from anyone, and for a good cause.... /shrug. it's Nuka's purview.
but my impulse is to mediate, thus my reminder for us to be civil to each other. i'm a sensitive soul, ya geese. you're tearing this family apart!

Romanian My Escutcheon

Aaaaaaagh, where the fuck is this shelter?

Terrendos

What's the opinion on minimap mods on the server? I've been fiddling with one in SP, works pretty well. It can't spot ores or anything, but it can track any caves lit up underground (by torches or lava) so it could conceivably be considered cheating.

Mayabird

@Firematic. Is that near the giant Bender statue?

@pooka I was more upset about the forest getting flattened than the cobble box.

@Elaro That area to the northeast of Ispawnbul was settled by a lot of people, so maybe but maybe not. I guess we'll see whenever we can get the server updated if the builder returns?

Thrakesh

I will work on making the area not so fugly - and the ugly cobble box is at least temporarily covered with vines for creep factor.