It's not that she can't, it's that she doesn't have a ton of range. Annie and Trudy are just Alison. One is her more serious side and one is her wacky side (though Annie seems more like her); but she's still Alison.
Some actors can make a whole career on being themselves. Nothing wrong with that. I just personally don't think she has as much depth as an actress as Jacobs. It's not an annie/britta thing, just from the range I've seen of them.
It's just my opinion, it's not right or wrong. I think Alison Brie is going to continue to be really successful, no doubt about that.
It's probably that she hasn't had much experience with different characters that Jacobs has. Brie is very talented but I haven't heard or seen her do much with great roles, besides Community and Madmen.
Yeah, I don't mean to come off like I'm putting her down, that's not my intent. Not having the range of another actor isn't necessarily a big deal. Sean Connery is one of my favorite actors but no matter what role he's in, he's Sean Connery. Same with Clint Eastwood. I'm using older actors as an example because they've had entire careers around playing themselves but doing it very well, because they're already compelling enough to carry an entire movie. But at the same time, whenever they tried to go out of their 'zone', they usually fell pretty flat.
Ok, so Connery and Eastwood are both very good actors. Just because you recognize them does not mean they are not acting very well. I recognize Rowan Atkinson all the time, does not mean he isn't a phenomenal actor.
A far better example is Arnold Schwarzenegger, and even he isn't not a good actor (well, he was atrocious in the beginning but whatevs). Acting isn't just range, it's not just having the type of face people instantly forget.
I have no idea what you're actually saying.
I didn't say anything remotely like Connery or Eastwood being bad actors. At all. Playing yourself doesn't mean you're a bad actor. Being able to conjure up the range of emotions and feelings required to play a part, yourself or not, is something that takes skill. They're still just playing themselves, either way.
So...yeah. No clue what you're even saying about Schwarzenegger. Not sure what recognizing faces has anything to do with anything.
Connery and Eastwood are not "playing themselves". Playing yourself is where you aren't playing the character but yourself. When you are asked to experience an emotion and you don't relate it to the character but to how you might feel about it, you're playing yourself. (it's a sign of being not as good at acting)
I took your comment to be insulting, calling them bad actors, because any other reading would be nonsensical. Ok, I actually took your comment to be stupidly obvious since any actor playing a part is still that actor.
Unless some miracle happens, I am thinking the fourth season will be the last one.
I know Harmon was the show runner and therefore should've known better, but Chevy has been saying that sitcoms are the lowest form of comedy and other infuriating things that I kind of wish Chevy had been kicked off. I only want this so that I don't have to worry so much about the 4th season.
Unless some miracle happens, I am thinking the fourth season will be the last one.
I know Harmon was the show runner and therefore should've known better, but Chevy has been saying that sitcoms are the lowest form of comedy and other infuriating things that I kind of wish Chevy had been kicked off. I only want this so that I don't have to worry so much about the 4th season.
After reading about Chevy, my impression is that while Harmon over-reacted, it's the type of overreaction you always get from people who have to put up with jerks for a while. Like, the history of Chevy pissing people off is that he really is just a jerk - he does little jerkish things all the time, which he doesn't care about, but which slowly add up and add up for people who whom it's just normally not worth reacting over.
Season 2's weird change in Pierce is probably more him finally being written as pretty much literally what it's like to work with Chevy Chase.
Unless some miracle happens, I am thinking the fourth season will be the last one.
I know Harmon was the show runner and therefore should've known better, but Chevy has been saying that sitcoms are the lowest form of comedy and other infuriating things that I kind of wish Chevy had been kicked off. I only want this so that I don't have to worry so much about the 4th season.
After reading about Chevy, my impression is that while Harmon over-reacted, it's the type of overreaction you always get from people who have to put up with jerks for a while. Like, the history of Chevy pissing people off is that he really is just a jerk - he does little jerkish things all the time, which he doesn't care about, but which slowly add up and add up for people who whom it's just normally not worth reacting over.
Season 2's weird change in Pierce is probably more him finally being written as pretty much literally what it's like to work with Chevy Chase.
I always thought that, but in Harmon's AMA he said that Pierce getting darker in S2 wasn't about Chevy. Then again, Harmon could lie. I was actually starting to like Pierce at the end of S3.
Someone (somewhere) mentioned Yvette Nicole Brown saying during the commentary for S2 nice things about the cast members but left Chevy out. At the end she said something like "Did I leave anyone out?"
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Weird thing about Harmon was that in the video game commentary in S3, where it hadn't been completed for TV yet yet when they did the commentary, he's kind of in this weird contemplative state about the show, acknowledging this makes no sense to anyone who would be flipping channels. And then he's almost confused by what's on their screens for the commentary, as though he seems to realize maybe they went too far that season.
What I'm trying to say is that in that moment Dan Harmon realized he is Chevy's long lost son.
In terms of the Harmon/Chevy debate, I've got no love lost for either side.
Harmon wrote the ideal exit for Pierce in Season Two's finale. Unless there was network pressure (which would obviously frustrate Harmon to no end), he had no reason to have him pop up in Season Three again, especially not in the vapid manner he did.
Furthermore, I'm usually on the side of creators and do agree that you should let creative people do what you pay them for, but I'm willing to bet Harmon made some handsome cash off of Community, so instead of lashing out like a spoilt child, he could have done a reality check instead of going completely bananas with Season Three.
Speaking of Chevy, I was keeping an eye on him during the outtakes for each season. He puts on a smile but you can see and hear him seething, especially when the others goof around. I was starting to wonder why those moments with him were even included in the outtakes.
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In terms of the Harmon/Chevy debate, I've got no love lost for either side.
Harmon wrote the ideal exit for Pierce in Season Two's finale. Unless there was network pressure (which would obviously frustrate Harmon to no end), he had no reason to have him pop up in Season Three again, especially not in the vapid manner he did.
Furthermore, I'm usually on the side of creators and do agree that you should let creative people do what you pay them for, but I'm willing to bet Harmon made some handsome cash off of Community, so instead of lashing out like a spoilt child, he could have done a reality check instead of going completely bananas with Season Three.
Harmon dumped money into the show for additional shoots and concept episodes, I believe.
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In terms of the Harmon/Chevy debate, I've got no love lost for either side.
Harmon wrote the ideal exit for Pierce in Season Two's finale. Unless there was network pressure (which would obviously frustrate Harmon to no end), he had no reason to have him pop up in Season Three again, especially not in the vapid manner he did.
Furthermore, I'm usually on the side of creators and do agree that you should let creative people do what you pay them for, but I'm willing to bet Harmon made some handsome cash off of Community, so instead of lashing out like a spoilt child, he could have done a reality check instead of going completely bananas with Season Three.
Did they sign a 3-year contract or something? I actually thought Pierce would leave at the end of season 2 and that ending actually made me feel a little bad for him and enough to like him on his way out. Though without him we wouldn't have gotten that great (to me) video game episode.
One interesting bit that came out of Harmon's AMA is that his personal choices for Pierce (Chevy was David Silverman's "suggestion") were John Cleese, Patrick Stewart, or Fred Willard. Kinda curious to think how the show would have been different (especially with a British Pierce).
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I can see Willard being the closest to how Chase played it (porn theater exploits notwithstanding). Would have loved to see Cleese or Stewart in the role just to see where they'd take it, but I can see the show not having enough pull to get names like that right at the beginning.
The thing about the Harmon/Chase feud is that Chase was a dick for not doing his job, and Harmon was a dick was for writing a scene that didn't make much sense in the context of the character.
I can see Willard being the closest to how Chase played it (porn theater exploits notwithstanding). Would have loved to see Cleese or Stewart in the role just to see where they'd take it, but I can see the show not having enough pull to get names like that right at the beginning.
Yeah. No offense to the cast, but Stewart would have blown them off the screen. Of that list, Willard is the only one that would have let the show have the same tone (in retrospect, anyway).
I don't think Stewart would have made a good Pierce. There are key moments in season 1 that I don't think would have worked with him. Episode 2 Jeff/Pierce spanish project, the ear-nocular, the sailing episode, to name a few.
Truth is, I like Chase as Pierce. I just wish Chase was more on board with the idea of the show.
Stewart would have to play Pierce like he was a huge success, but now on a decline. Sort of like he is a falling star. Really, I like it better the way it is, a man always belittled by his father who never quite grew up.
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I am thinking about re watching season one.
I have enjoyed the show the whole way and am looking forward to this year, high hopes and all that... but goddamn if season 1 isn't one of the best sit com seasons of all time.
Weird thing about Harmon was that in the video game commentary in S3, where it hadn't been completed for TV yet yet when they did the commentary, he's kind of in this weird contemplative state about the show, acknowledging this makes no sense to anyone who would be flipping channels. And then he's almost confused by what's on their screens for the commentary, as though he seems to realize maybe they went too far that season.
What I'm trying to say is that in that moment Dan Harmon realized he is Chevy's long lost son.
I'm guessing Dan Harmon isn't in any commentary/special features?
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I think Dan Harmon is the best and worst thing to ever happen to Community. Obviously, we owe him for the show existing, but he is so crazy and scared of failure that he was driven to pursue stupid flights of fancy like the second Halloween episode just because he thought he'd never have the chance to do something like that again. If he kept his head in the game and focused on this show instead of his own stupid wish fulfillment, maybe it wouldn't have dropped off after season 1, and maybe it wouldn't be in the position it's in now. I'm very hopeful that community without Harmon will be the best community since season 1.
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Weird thing about Harmon was that in the video game commentary in S3, where it hadn't been completed for TV yet yet when they did the commentary, he's kind of in this weird contemplative state about the show, acknowledging this makes no sense to anyone who would be flipping channels. And then he's almost confused by what's on their screens for the commentary, as though he seems to realize maybe they went too far that season.
What I'm trying to say is that in that moment Dan Harmon realized he is Chevy's long lost son.
I'm guessing Dan Harmon isn't in any commentary/special features?
No special features like the cast evaluation, but he's in half of the commentaries, but as opposed to other seasons the cast leads them (mainly Yvette). He isn't as angry or cussing up a storm either, it sounded like the audio equivalent of someone licking their wounds.
I'm having trouble picturing Patrick Stewart being racist...or generally an asshole in any way.
Yeah, I can see Stewart acting his ass off, but I can't imagine him being the lovable jerk-uncle that Chevy-Pierce was in S1. Maybe Pierce would have gone in some awesome new direction though.
I'm having trouble picturing Patrick Stewart being racist...or generally an asshole in any way.
Yeah, I can see Stewart acting his ass off, but I can't imagine him being the lovable jerk-uncle that Chevy-Pierce was in S1. Maybe Pierce would have gone in some awesome new direction though.
He's played the lovable Jerk boss in American Dad for...wait, how long has American Dad been on?
Still, I don't think they could pull someone like him, or Cleese.
Also, Dan Harmon is a crazyperson who seems just as hard to work with as Chevy.
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So why is the cast of community deciding to be assholes to chevy in public? Like... is this something people find appealing? Have Joel and Donald refrained from douching it up? Those are the only two I give a shit about anyway.
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It seems like everyone wants it to be 13 episodes and that's it.
This is like 80% of all hair metal bands in the 80's!
And, even if posting Chevy's out of context quotes was meant to be mean-spirited, I hardly think that's it's beyond the pale to share what a public figure said to you during a day of work.
God knows that Chevy does worse on a regular basis.
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Connery and Eastwood are not "playing themselves". Playing yourself is where you aren't playing the character but yourself. When you are asked to experience an emotion and you don't relate it to the character but to how you might feel about it, you're playing yourself. (it's a sign of being not as good at acting)
I took your comment to be insulting, calling them bad actors, because any other reading would be nonsensical. Ok, I actually took your comment to be stupidly obvious since any actor playing a part is still that actor.
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I have. It is not her best performance. Then again, she didn't have much to work with.
He was also in "The Informant!"
But I know he won't so that's that.
I know Harmon was the show runner and therefore should've known better, but Chevy has been saying that sitcoms are the lowest form of comedy and other infuriating things that I kind of wish Chevy had been kicked off. I only want this so that I don't have to worry so much about the 4th season.
After reading about Chevy, my impression is that while Harmon over-reacted, it's the type of overreaction you always get from people who have to put up with jerks for a while. Like, the history of Chevy pissing people off is that he really is just a jerk - he does little jerkish things all the time, which he doesn't care about, but which slowly add up and add up for people who whom it's just normally not worth reacting over.
Season 2's weird change in Pierce is probably more him finally being written as pretty much literally what it's like to work with Chevy Chase.
I always thought that, but in Harmon's AMA he said that Pierce getting darker in S2 wasn't about Chevy. Then again, Harmon could lie. I was actually starting to like Pierce at the end of S3.
Someone (somewhere) mentioned Yvette Nicole Brown saying during the commentary for S2 nice things about the cast members but left Chevy out. At the end she said something like "Did I leave anyone out?"
What I'm trying to say is that in that moment Dan Harmon realized he is Chevy's long lost son.
Harmon wrote the ideal exit for Pierce in Season Two's finale. Unless there was network pressure (which would obviously frustrate Harmon to no end), he had no reason to have him pop up in Season Three again, especially not in the vapid manner he did.
Furthermore, I'm usually on the side of creators and do agree that you should let creative people do what you pay them for, but I'm willing to bet Harmon made some handsome cash off of Community, so instead of lashing out like a spoilt child, he could have done a reality check instead of going completely bananas with Season Three.
Harmon dumped money into the show for additional shoots and concept episodes, I believe.
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Did they sign a 3-year contract or something? I actually thought Pierce would leave at the end of season 2 and that ending actually made me feel a little bad for him and enough to like him on his way out. Though without him we wouldn't have gotten that great (to me) video game episode.
Yeah. No offense to the cast, but Stewart would have blown them off the screen. Of that list, Willard is the only one that would have let the show have the same tone (in retrospect, anyway).
Truth is, I like Chase as Pierce. I just wish Chase was more on board with the idea of the show.
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I have enjoyed the show the whole way and am looking forward to this year, high hopes and all that... but goddamn if season 1 isn't one of the best sit com seasons of all time.
I'm guessing Dan Harmon isn't in any commentary/special features?
No special features like the cast evaluation, but he's in half of the commentaries, but as opposed to other seasons the cast leads them (mainly Yvette). He isn't as angry or cussing up a storm either, it sounded like the audio equivalent of someone licking their wounds.
Yeah, I can see Stewart acting his ass off, but I can't imagine him being the lovable jerk-uncle that Chevy-Pierce was in S1. Maybe Pierce would have gone in some awesome new direction though.
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He's played the lovable Jerk boss in American Dad for...wait, how long has American Dad been on?
Still, I don't think they could pull someone like him, or Cleese.
Also, Dan Harmon is a crazyperson who seems just as hard to work with as Chevy.
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Is it supposed to be lighthearted, or did they just throw courtesy out the window?
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I wish I could think it was simple lighthearted gigging.
But I've listened to the commentaries.
This is like 80% of all hair metal bands in the 80's!
And, even if posting Chevy's out of context quotes was meant to be mean-spirited, I hardly think that's it's beyond the pale to share what a public figure said to you during a day of work.
God knows that Chevy does worse on a regular basis.
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