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Where did the Gay Sex go, sir? Same place the Endings went, down the crapper. Way to go Mac Walters...
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AnosognosWho wants to playvideo games?Registered Userregular
edited March 2012
I love how angry Tycho is in the second panel that he didn't get a graphic depiction of man-sex.
Having seen the video... at least there's more content than any of the non-Miranda scenes from ME2?
I understand that specifically acknowledging gay relationships has a significant social context. I still find it hard to get worked up about a disappointing culmination for the light dating sim is in my sci-fi adventure. Unlike a particularly loud portion of the fan base, given how much emphasis the PR machine puts on the relationship thing.
See: not showing Tali's face in ME2 and the Bioware forums response. Actually, don't see the Bioware forums. No good can come of that.
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HenroidMexican kicked from Immigration ThreadCentrism is Racism :3Registered Userregular
I like how Tycho is so pleased with his own response in the third panel.
In Mass Effect 2 I romanced Jacob with my FemShep. I'm a dude in real life. I felt a little bit as though I were having some gay sex, simply because I was seducing a man. It was a weird experience to be sure.
In Mass Effect 2 I romanced Jacob with my FemShep. I'm a dude in real life. I felt a little bit as though I were having some gay sex, simply because I was seducing a man. It was a weird experience to be sure.
I've never considered myself homophobic, but fear of the situation you describe has driven my FemShep to say some real nasty things to potential suitors. Amazing what you can learn about yourself from these fancy Bioware games.
Having seen the video... at least there's more content than any of the non-Miranda scenes from ME2?
I understand that specifically acknowledging gay relationships has a significant social context. I still find it hard to get worked up about a disappointing culmination for the light dating sim is in my sci-fi adventure. Unlike a particularly loud portion of the fan base, given how much emphasis the PR machine puts on the relationship thing.
This is pretty much how I feel about it. I like complaints about clear double standards: there is heterosexual romance but no gay romance, or there is lesbian romance (that can be marketed to straight men) but not male gay romance, and hypothetically here or in actual other cases, there is explicit heterosexual/lesbian romance but only very tame gay romance. I don't see that last argument holding water here based on the scene I saw and what I know of the previous games (I haven't seen the Miranda romance scene though, to be fair - my male Shep goes for Tali and I never had the desire to look Miranda's up on Youtube).
I also think there's a difference between being pleased with progress and being content with progress. That is, we can pat Mass Effect 3 on the back for being a huge mainstream game that has a main character beloved by lots of straight dudebros who can now canonically have sex with guys and acknowledge that that is something big based on where we are as a society. It does not mean we have to then dust our hands off and decide that's the end of gay rights progress in video games, and that all problematic representation of gay men in games is now fixed forever.
In Mass Effect 2 I romanced Jacob with my FemShep. I'm a dude in real life. I felt a little bit as though I were having some gay sex, simply because I was seducing a man. It was a weird experience to be sure.
No man Fem shep is pretty damn agressive w ith Jacob. I don't know if that was on purpose or what but her posture and tone when talking to him especially if you romance him is freaky.
Where did the Gay Sex go, sir? Same place the Endings went, down the crapper. Way to go Mac Walters...
Maybe play the game first? Honestly after reading the rants about the endings nobody has actually said how you get any of them leading me to assume nobody knows the context leading up to them. So complaining about them is like saying I saw the ending to the Sixth sense before I watched the movie or even read a summary and decrying it for not making sense.
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I am outraged at Bioware for putting a male homosexual relationship in this game..... and then NOT showing us the delicious copulation with juices flying about, wild heaving thrusting, the inhumanly loud moans penetrating the walls of the ship, all the crew members standing around awkwardly as they are forced to listen to that hot hot man love.
In Mass Effect 2 I romanced Jacob with my FemShep. I'm a dude in real life. I felt a little bit as though I were having some gay sex, simply because I was seducing a man. It was a weird experience to be sure.
No man Fem shep is pretty damn agressive w ith Jacob. I don't know if that was on purpose or what but her posture and tone when talking to him especially if you romance him is freaky.
Where did the Gay Sex go, sir? Same place the Endings went, down the crapper. Way to go Mac Walters...
Maybe play the game first? Honestly after reading the rants about the endings nobody has actually said how you get any of them leading me to assume nobody knows the context leading up to them. So complaining about them is like saying I saw the ending to the Sixth sense before I watched the movie or even read a summary and decrying it for not making sense.
There are a couple of good streams up now of the entire game being played. I've watched a solid Paragon playthrough and if the "Good" ending is terrible and freaking depressing as all hell how bad are the, well, "bad" endings? Normally, most ME hate is Trolling; this time around, though, it's pretty valid. It's just baffling what they did. It *kinda* feels like they abandoned the Action Adventure Science Fiction epic (i.e. Star Wars) angle out of no-where and tried to go for the Oscar with this strange, sudo Art-House would be philosophical ending.
In Mass Effect 2 I romanced Jacob with my FemShep. I'm a dude in real life. I felt a little bit as though I were having some gay sex, simply because I was seducing a man. It was a weird experience to be sure.
My FemShep seduced the fuck out of Thane. He was like a scaly green Batman. Who kills people.
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FactorySquirrelMarceline's HenchmanLand of OooRegistered Userregular
In panel two, Tycho's fingers are their legs.
"That man is playing Galaga! He thought we wouldn't notice. But we did."
That's because he had just pulled his pants up in disappointment and disgust from the lack of p 'n a.
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Monkey Ball WarriorA collection of mediocre hatsSeattle, WARegistered Userregular
Yeh this kind of reminded me of something that happened a few months ago. I have been playing Dragon Age on and off for a while, and my friends from seattle were over, so I wanted to show them what DA was like and the character I had built. As usual, my first char was a female redhead, a mage in this case, and she was in the camp hanging out. I walked over to the nun chick, whom I had been quite friendly to in an attempt to extract a backstory out of her, and I was hoping maybe at this point she would open up.
She did, but not in the way I was expecting. She actually started hitting on me, or something. And then I had to awkwardly explain to my friends that this was not my intention.
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In Mass Effect 2 I romanced Jacob with my FemShep. I'm a dude in real life. I felt a little bit as though I were having some gay sex, simply because I was seducing a man. It was a weird experience to be sure.
No man Fem shep is pretty damn agressive w ith Jacob. I don't know if that was on purpose or what but her posture and tone when talking to him especially if you romance him is freaky.
Where did the Gay Sex go, sir? Same place the Endings went, down the crapper. Way to go Mac Walters...
Maybe play the game first? Honestly after reading the rants about the endings nobody has actually said how you get any of them leading me to assume nobody knows the context leading up to them. So complaining about them is like saying I saw the ending to the Sixth sense before I watched the movie or even read a summary and decrying it for not making sense.
There are a couple of good streams up now of the entire game being played. I've watched a solid Paragon playthrough and if the "Good" ending is terrible and freaking depressing as all hell how bad are the, well, "bad" endings? Normally, most ME hate is Trolling; this time around, though, it's pretty valid. It's just baffling what they did. It *kinda* feels like they abandoned the Action Adventure Science Fiction epic (i.e. Star Wars) angle out of no-where and tried to go for the Oscar with this strange, sudo Art-House would be philosophical ending.
You...have played Bioshock 2 right?
I mean, why are we shocked? I haven't played it yet, but I'm going into this expecting a 100% chance of Big Daddy style death scene at the end.
Look, if you're watching the endings without playing the game, you have no sense of agency over the game, you don't feel like you're the one in charge, like it's your story, and the ending will have no impact on you. So, play the game, then watch the ending you got, and do it the right way. Bioshock 2 had similar endings, but playing through the game, it was the first ending of a game to actually get close to moving me to tears.
It definitely sounds disappointing that they didn't go as far as they could with the homosexual male romantic encounter, but I imagine if they had made it any more explicit, the game would have been branded with the AO label, given current cultural attitudes. I hate that such socio-economic outside factors can dictate game content like that.
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Having seen the video... at least there's more content than any of the non-Miranda scenes from ME2?
I understand that specifically acknowledging gay relationships has a significant social context. I still find it hard to get worked up about a disappointing culmination for the light dating sim is in my sci-fi adventure. Unlike a particularly loud portion of the fan base, given how much emphasis the PR machine puts on the relationship thing.
See: not showing Tali's face in ME2 and the Bioware forums response. Actually, don't see the Bioware forums. No good can come of that.
I've never considered myself homophobic, but fear of the situation you describe has driven my FemShep to say some real nasty things to potential suitors. Amazing what you can learn about yourself from these fancy Bioware games.
This is pretty much how I feel about it. I like complaints about clear double standards: there is heterosexual romance but no gay romance, or there is lesbian romance (that can be marketed to straight men) but not male gay romance, and hypothetically here or in actual other cases, there is explicit heterosexual/lesbian romance but only very tame gay romance. I don't see that last argument holding water here based on the scene I saw and what I know of the previous games (I haven't seen the Miranda romance scene though, to be fair - my male Shep goes for Tali and I never had the desire to look Miranda's up on Youtube).
I also think there's a difference between being pleased with progress and being content with progress. That is, we can pat Mass Effect 3 on the back for being a huge mainstream game that has a main character beloved by lots of straight dudebros who can now canonically have sex with guys and acknowledge that that is something big based on where we are as a society. It does not mean we have to then dust our hands off and decide that's the end of gay rights progress in video games, and that all problematic representation of gay men in games is now fixed forever.
No man Fem shep is pretty damn agressive w ith Jacob. I don't know if that was on purpose or what but her posture and tone when talking to him especially if you romance him is freaky.
Maybe play the game first? Honestly after reading the rants about the endings nobody has actually said how you get any of them leading me to assume nobody knows the context leading up to them. So complaining about them is like saying I saw the ending to the Sixth sense before I watched the movie or even read a summary and decrying it for not making sense.
There are a couple of good streams up now of the entire game being played. I've watched a solid Paragon playthrough and if the "Good" ending is terrible and freaking depressing as all hell how bad are the, well, "bad" endings? Normally, most ME hate is Trolling; this time around, though, it's pretty valid. It's just baffling what they did. It *kinda* feels like they abandoned the Action Adventure Science Fiction epic (i.e. Star Wars) angle out of no-where and tried to go for the Oscar with this strange, sudo Art-House would be philosophical ending.
This isn't even enough to get it halfway up, even if I do appreciate the way the shadow-alien being caresses Shepherd's chest.
(Wait, that wasn't a shadow-alien being? That was just a very poorly rendered guy with dark skin?
Well, now I know of one person who would never be recognized by Kinect...)
My FemShep seduced the fuck out of Thane. He was like a scaly green Batman. Who kills people.
That's because he had just pulled his pants up in disappointment and disgust from the lack of p 'n a.
She did, but not in the way I was expecting. She actually started hitting on me, or something. And then I had to awkwardly explain to my friends that this was not my intention.
"You are a child of the universe, no less than the trees and the stars; you have a right to be here.
And whether or not it is clear to you, no doubt the universe is unfolding as it should."
You...have played Bioshock 2 right?
I mean, why are we shocked? I haven't played it yet, but I'm going into this expecting a 100% chance of Big Daddy style death scene at the end.
Look, if you're watching the endings without playing the game, you have no sense of agency over the game, you don't feel like you're the one in charge, like it's your story, and the ending will have no impact on you. So, play the game, then watch the ending you got, and do it the right way. Bioshock 2 had similar endings, but playing through the game, it was the first ending of a game to actually get close to moving me to tears.