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PiptheFairFrequently not in boats.Registered Userregular
Big gulps huh? Well, see ya later.
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Indie Winterdie KräheRudi Hurzlmeier (German, b. 1952)Registered Userregular
this just seems like the movie studios are so starved for more hits but so scared of taking risks on new films that they're forced to pop out more sequels to "ancient" (in holywood terms) movies
That graph has some meaning, but also lacks some because people will constantly shill out to see horrible shit. Take me for example: seen every one of the Bayformers movies. I enjoy them. A lot. Do I think they're quality movies as an art form? Fuck no. But that doesn't stop them from bringing in million of dollars.
On the other hand, cutting off that list at 10 is a disservice to the number of original pictures produced. I'd like to see the same list at 20, if not 30 or 50. Even if they're not hugely grossing movies, it still shows a constant state of creativity amongst Hollywood.
And the part about 'Franchises we're still supporting' is well, disingenuous at best, but a whole bunch of BS. Sure, Harry Potter has stretched across a decade. Great. It's still an original adaption, and hasn't been reproduced. Planet of the Apes being 'still supported' is BS. There was a movie then, and a movie now. Coincidental at best. At that logic, you could say that series has been 'still supported' since '68, AND was just as 'unoriginal' because it was an adaptation. Fast and Furious have had a total of, what, 5 movies now? And some disparity of how well they were recieved? It's still an 'original' series. Which is another thing 'sequel' makes sound so bad; it's one thing when a sequel is produced years and years after an original, as an obvious money grab. But when it's being purposely produced as a series, because no one's going to sit through a five hour long movie? That doesn't mean it's less original than a single movie production.
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Zonugal(He/Him) The Holiday ArmadilloI'm Santa's representative for all the southern states. And Mexico!Registered User, Transition Teamregular
Also let it be known that I have a rapist's wit.
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#pipeCocky Stride, Musky odoursPope of Chili TownRegistered Userregular
somebody please explain to me how not being original is a negative, before actual quality of content has been measured?
no one promises originality will be good, but at least it leads (in most cases) to fresher concepts thorugh an evolutionary, forward moving, progressive process of ideas, while sequels tend towards a rehash of the same basic selling points while adjusting moderatly for changing times and tastes. I'm not saying sequels are basically bad. I enjoy sequels! but they should not be the dominating force in the industry.
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PiptheFairFrequently not in boats.Registered Userregular
sequels, remakes, and adaptations aren't crap in and of themselves
just in the context of hollywood, they've become formula for studios with little vision hence shit like transformers 3 and a billion comic book adaptations
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Zonugal(He/Him) The Holiday ArmadilloI'm Santa's representative for all the southern states. And Mexico!Registered User, Transition Teamregular
Sometimes somebody does a remake because they have a different take on the original material or simply think they can do better.
Sometimes they are right.
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#pipeCocky Stride, Musky odoursPope of Chili TownRegistered Userregular
somebody please explain to me how not being original is a negative, before actual quality of content has been measured?
all things being equal, an original has more artistic merit
right yes, but unless it is a remake it is still an original story
based on existing Intellectual Property
and?
it makes it distinct from original IP and less artistically meritorious.
because?
because there is less originality in it. There has been less investment in creating characters, settings, relationships and style, there are fewer avenues of artistic expression. Creating a fleshed out character from scratch is one of the things that makes a writer an artist, if they use existing characters they are subverting that step. There is one less chance for them to create something.
I mean, if "all things being equal," the original has more artistic merit, because it grants a greater number of opportunities to create things, wouldn't that only matter if those things were then better than and not equal to the later iterations of those things?
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#pipeCocky Stride, Musky odoursPope of Chili TownRegistered Userregular
I mean, if "all things being equal," the original has more artistic merit, because it grants a greater number of opportunities to create things, wouldn't that only matter if those things were then better than and not equal to the later iterations of those things?
speaking of adaptations, i'm gonna take the story of don quixote and place it in a post-apocalyptic, steampunk world with vampires and schools for wizardry and tyrannical states which hold hunger games
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it just
it all makes me sad
vs.
Farrelly Brothers post-Dumb-and-Dumber
Imagine there is a chart here
Pee pee doo doo
Almost this exact thing happened to me and my brother when we were kids. Well before the movie.
Only we were drinking slurpees and the dude was way creepier
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because it says 8 but the color coded part says 7
So I am conflicted by this news.
On the other hand, cutting off that list at 10 is a disservice to the number of original pictures produced. I'd like to see the same list at 20, if not 30 or 50. Even if they're not hugely grossing movies, it still shows a constant state of creativity amongst Hollywood.
And the part about 'Franchises we're still supporting' is well, disingenuous at best, but a whole bunch of BS. Sure, Harry Potter has stretched across a decade. Great. It's still an original adaption, and hasn't been reproduced. Planet of the Apes being 'still supported' is BS. There was a movie then, and a movie now. Coincidental at best. At that logic, you could say that series has been 'still supported' since '68, AND was just as 'unoriginal' because it was an adaptation. Fast and Furious have had a total of, what, 5 movies now? And some disparity of how well they were recieved? It's still an 'original' series. Which is another thing 'sequel' makes sound so bad; it's one thing when a sequel is produced years and years after an original, as an obvious money grab. But when it's being purposely produced as a series, because no one's going to sit through a five hour long movie? That doesn't mean it's less original than a single movie production.
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all things being equal, an original has more artistic merit
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right yes, but unless it is a remake it is still an original story
yes but it does make it "not an original"
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not necessarily at least
I was way off
based on existing Intellectual Property
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and?
it makes it distinct from original IP and less artistically meritorious.
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because?
no one promises originality will be good, but at least it leads (in most cases) to fresher concepts thorugh an evolutionary, forward moving, progressive process of ideas, while sequels tend towards a rehash of the same basic selling points while adjusting moderatly for changing times and tastes. I'm not saying sequels are basically bad. I enjoy sequels! but they should not be the dominating force in the industry.
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just in the context of hollywood, they've become formula for studios with little vision hence shit like transformers 3 and a billion comic book adaptations
Sometimes they are right.
because there is less originality in it. There has been less investment in creating characters, settings, relationships and style, there are fewer avenues of artistic expression. Creating a fleshed out character from scratch is one of the things that makes a writer an artist, if they use existing characters they are subverting that step. There is one less chance for them to create something.
Need some stuff designed or printed? I can help with that.
Why?
nope!
Because creativity is not about quality.
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The book is self-important horseshit, the movie has way more of a sense of humor about how absurd it is