Are you going to AX this year or are you going to be in real Japan-land by that time?
I will be at AX, currently not planning on hotelling it but ones of my friends really wants to and keeps bringing up a friend of ours that could get us a deal on rates. I'll miss two hours of one day due to some JET meeting I must attend but otherwise I will be there. i leave for Japan at the end of July.
When are you gonna end up in SanFran?
I'll be in the bay area by May 21st. It is absolutely doable for me to go to AX. If you get a hotel room, I'll go in on it, and I have no problem sleeping on the floor or whatever.
So we get stiff once in a while. So we have a little fun. What’s wrong with that? This is a free country, isn’t it? I can take my panda any place I want to. And if I wanna buy it a drink, that’s my business.
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did anyone else play any GW2 beta prior to this weekend or find a time when an area wasn't at max capacity with people?
I'm wondering how their version of the WAR "public quests" work when there are fewer people around. In WAR the answer was "they don't. fuck you". In GW2 do the monsters scale down or something so you can still do stuff when there aren't a bunch of other random people in the area at the same time?
For the most part events are supposed to scale according to how many people there are but I'm not sure if you can solo them. I think there are also group events that definitely can't be soloed. I'm not sure if areas will become ghost towns when higher level people can still play in them by being deleveled. We will see when the game comes out I guess.
In GW2 do the monsters scale down or something so you can still do stuff when there aren't a bunch of other random people in the area at the same time?
It certainly scales up. I had an event in the Charr starting area where we had a fuckton of level 4-ish people and the single enemy champion scaled up to level 8 and wiped the floor with anyone that kept attacking him when he had his reflective shield up.
well that's kind of hopefull (that there is scaling at all)
WAR had "public quests" which are exactly like the events that you wander into in GW2 (including the whole 'how much did you contribute thing'). They are a good idea. The problem was that in WAR they only worked in tier 1 (the first 12 levels or so of the game) because after that you needed to have at least 5 or more people to be able to finish the damn things. And there were never, ever that many people just around. So instead of being neat things in the world you could do they became just another Raid that you had to set up with other people and get groups for and they became pointless.
also honestly I would just rather fuck off and level off of PvP
doing that was a blast in warhammer
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I was getting my ass kicked in the Queensdale or whatever it is defending the water pump station from bandits. I was deleveled and there were tons of bandits everywhere. Players had to stay together and help each other out because you could get ganged up on otherwise.
So we get stiff once in a while. So we have a little fun. What’s wrong with that? This is a free country, isn’t it? I can take my panda any place I want to. And if I wanna buy it a drink, that’s my business.
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Like I am above the level of a lot of Queensdale but there was still shit going on and the city is there full of stuff I need so I go help out and it's still fun because the content and players are scaled.
did anyone else play any GW2 beta prior to this weekend or find a time when an area wasn't at max capacity with people?
I'm wondering how their version of the WAR "public quests" work when there are fewer people around. In WAR the answer was "they don't. fuck you". In GW2 do the monsters scale down or something so you can still do stuff when there aren't a bunch of other random people in the area at the same time?
For the most part events are supposed to scale according to how many people there are but I'm not sure if you can solo them. I think there are also group events that definitely can't be soloed. I'm not sure if areas will become ghost towns when higher level people can still play in them by being deleveled. We will see when the game comes out I guess.
It's not that they need to be soloable, it's just that they need to be doable with the minimum average population a given area will have. That number depends on a ton of stuff like server pop and world design and so on (and could very well be "solo" for some areas).
If Tera didn't have the korean mmo grind formula I'd be pretty interested in it. But alas, it does.
but doesn't it have like, quests and stuff? that doesn't seem super korean grindy to me. of course, my reference is Ragnarok Online, so
It's all quests. They are generic kill/gather/fetch/deliver quests though.
I hate shitty quests like that. It's becoming a a bar of how much dedication an MMO team has to making a game feel distinct.
I am glad that it has enough quests that you can easily over level and drop a bunch of them, giving you new stuff to see when you level up an alt or two.
The thing about TERA is it's all about the gameplay, which is awesome.
EDIT: There is only so much you can do quest wise really. I mean, even SWTOR had the same generic quests.
So we get stiff once in a while. So we have a little fun. What’s wrong with that? This is a free country, isn’t it? I can take my panda any place I want to. And if I wanna buy it a drink, that’s my business.
I like that we've come to a point in our understanding of MMOs where we ask if it "feels grindy" instead of asking if it "is grindy".
It's as if we've all accepted that MMOs are, fundamentally, gigantic grinding / farming enterprises. So now what we want is the illusion that we aren't grinding.
I don't know if any mtg neckbeards are around but I am having the greatest draft in history right now for rare drafting.
Pack 3 pick 1: Geist of Saint Traft, pick 2: Kessig Wolf Run
Now I just have to figure out how the fuck I'm going to put both of those in the same deck.
if they are mint, the first one there retails for like $20 and the second for $5. You'd probably get about half that selling them to a store but that's still your booster draft entry fee covered.
So it has world events then. I played Rift all the way to level Cap.
The World Events started off pretty awe inspiring. Very much in a "OMG IS THIS MMO 2.0 OMG"
But then by level cap you're like, "Oh great, the zone is overrun by assholes again. Woopty fucking doo."
the combat is a lot faster and involves some skill / reaction based things that Rift doesn't have. And it's events are more like WARs public quests than RIFTs "suddenly there are a ton of mobs in an area" things.
I don't think a lot about the leveling. Leveling determines your stats, unlocking utility skill slots and unlocking traits. Weapon skills are unlocked by using your weapons and you will unlock all of them for each weapon in an hour or so. Because of the level scaling in zones you don't feel like you're being pushed from zone to zone.
I like that we've come to a point in our understanding of MMOs where we ask if it "feels grindy" instead of asking if it "is grindy".
It's as if we've all accepted that MMOs are, fundamentally, gigantic grinding / farming enterprises. So now what we want is the illusion that we aren't grinding.
It's kind of adorable.
I know this is exactly the kind of thing you will pretend not to understand in an elaborate troll, but how is paying attention to the emotional response to a videogame "adorable"? As opposed to "the entire fucking point"?
Warhammer: Online went into the shitter after T3 for me. T4 was even worse. But the real kicker was that the city sieges was just fucking awful and basically involved little PVP
just a big shitty public quest that required ridiculous PVE gear
Confused: I am at a bar. Talking to Russian bartender. "Casually" drop that I co-organize a meetup for Eastern Europeans. Ask her for number of place so I can talk to manager. She gives me the business card of the place and writes her cell phone number on the back. She's excessively hot. I'm a chubby asshole. What is her cell number for?
I don't know if any mtg neckbeards are around but I am having the greatest draft in history right now for rare drafting.
Pack 3 pick 1: Geist of Saint Traft, pick 2: Kessig Wolf Run
Now I just have to figure out how the fuck I'm going to put both of those in the same deck.
if they are mint, the first one there retails for like $20 and the second for $5. You'd probably get about half that selling them to a store but that's still your booster draft entry fee covered.
I tried to set up an awkward-ass boros deck that has one island and one forest and tries to use traveler's amulet, dawntreader elk, and ghost quarter for mana fixing.
We'll see how this works out.
Luckily even dropping the geist and the wolf run I've got a really solid red deck. I managed to pick up the "traitorous blood/fling" combo.
SarksusATTACK AND DETHRONE GODRegistered Userregular
Also GW2 is rocking the same painterly graphical aspect the first game had except its even more beautiful. Stuff that is far away looks like a painting with soft strokes, except it's not shit in a sky box, you can travel there!
Confused: I am at a bar. Talking to Russian bartender. "Casually" drop that I co-organize a meetup for Eastern Europeans. Ask her for number of place so I can talk to manager. She gives me the business card of the place and writes her cell phone number on the back. She's excessively hot. I'm a chubby asshole. What is her cell number for?
I like that we've come to a point in our understanding of MMOs where we ask if it "feels grindy" instead of asking if it "is grindy".
It's as if we've all accepted that MMOs are, fundamentally, gigantic grinding / farming enterprises. So now what we want is the illusion that we aren't grinding.
It's kind of adorable.
I know this is exactly the kind of thing you will pretend not to understand in an elaborate troll, but how is paying attention to the emotional response to a videogame "adorable"? As opposed to "the entire fucking point"?
It presumes something objective to emotive responses. The answer to the question of whether X "feels" grindy will depending upon the feeling mechanism of the entity in question. This is especially true if we take "grindy" to be a pejorative that stands in the place of "boring". So we're asking "Does GW2 feel boring", as if there was a universal rubric for discerning what does or does not cause the emotive response of feeling bored.
I just think it's an adorable way to assess MMOs. Rather than accept that they are elaborate graphical user interfaces over databases, we try to gussy them up as somehow not grindy by masking the grind. It's delving further into the illusion, rather than simply accepting that an MMO is a clicky clickfest of clicks.
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I'll be in the bay area by May 21st. It is absolutely doable for me to go to AX. If you get a hotel room, I'll go in on it, and I have no problem sleeping on the floor or whatever.
Are you cosplaying?
eh?
*rolls eyes*
Sureeeeee it does.
For the most part events are supposed to scale according to how many people there are but I'm not sure if you can solo them. I think there are also group events that definitely can't be soloed. I'm not sure if areas will become ghost towns when higher level people can still play in them by being deleveled. We will see when the game comes out I guess.
but doesn't it have like, quests and stuff? that doesn't seem super korean grindy to me. of course, my reference is Ragnarok Online, so
well that's kind of hopefull (that there is scaling at all)
WAR had "public quests" which are exactly like the events that you wander into in GW2 (including the whole 'how much did you contribute thing'). They are a good idea. The problem was that in WAR they only worked in tier 1 (the first 12 levels or so of the game) because after that you needed to have at least 5 or more people to be able to finish the damn things. And there were never, ever that many people just around. So instead of being neat things in the world you could do they became just another Raid that you had to set up with other people and get groups for and they became pointless.
doing that was a blast in warhammer
It's all quests. They are generic kill/gather/fetch/deliver quests though.
It's not that they need to be soloable, it's just that they need to be doable with the minimum average population a given area will have. That number depends on a ton of stuff like server pop and world design and so on (and could very well be "solo" for some areas).
I hate shitty quests like that. It's becoming a a bar of how much dedication an MMO team has to making a game feel distinct.
I am glad that it has enough quests that you can easily over level and drop a bunch of them, giving you new stuff to see when you level up an alt or two.
The thing about TERA is it's all about the gameplay, which is awesome.
EDIT: There is only so much you can do quest wise really. I mean, even SWTOR had the same generic quests.
in an asian way
is it korean grindy
I don't know if any mtg neckbeards are around but I am having the greatest draft in history right now for rare drafting.
Pack 3 pick 1: Geist of Saint Traft, pick 2: Kessig Wolf Run
Now I just have to figure out how the fuck I'm going to put both of those in the same deck.
This sounds sexy.
Not the content available this weekend no. Who knows, it could eventually turn into a grind at the end but certainly not what we have seen so far.
The closest to it is Warhammer Online, if the ideas in that game were executed by a competent design team.
The World Events started off pretty awe inspiring. Very much in a "OMG IS THIS MMO 2.0 OMG"
But then by level cap you're like, "Oh great, the zone is overrun by assholes again. Woopty fucking doo."
I like that we've come to a point in our understanding of MMOs where we ask if it "feels grindy" instead of asking if it "is grindy".
It's as if we've all accepted that MMOs are, fundamentally, gigantic grinding / farming enterprises. So now what we want is the illusion that we aren't grinding.
It's kind of adorable.
edit: I should say, that, that is what it feels like for me.
if they are mint, the first one there retails for like $20 and the second for $5. You'd probably get about half that selling them to a store but that's still your booster draft entry fee covered.
the combat is a lot faster and involves some skill / reaction based things that Rift doesn't have. And it's events are more like WARs public quests than RIFTs "suddenly there are a ton of mobs in an area" things.
and then we're having cake
Is any American MMO as grindy as one from Korea.
I don't think a lot about the leveling. Leveling determines your stats, unlocking utility skill slots and unlocking traits. Weapon skills are unlocked by using your weapons and you will unlock all of them for each weapon in an hour or so. Because of the level scaling in zones you don't feel like you're being pushed from zone to zone.
I know this is exactly the kind of thing you will pretend not to understand in an elaborate troll, but how is paying attention to the emotional response to a videogame "adorable"? As opposed to "the entire fucking point"?
just a big shitty public quest that required ridiculous PVE gear
Think about it. :bz
I tried to set up an awkward-ass boros deck that has one island and one forest and tries to use traveler's amulet, dawntreader elk, and ghost quarter for mana fixing.
We'll see how this works out.
Luckily even dropping the geist and the wolf run I've got a really solid red deck. I managed to pick up the "traitorous blood/fling" combo.
ArenaNet is based in Seattle and was founded by ex-Diablo developers.
Oh I thought GW was NCSoft
:winky:
It presumes something objective to emotive responses. The answer to the question of whether X "feels" grindy will depending upon the feeling mechanism of the entity in question. This is especially true if we take "grindy" to be a pejorative that stands in the place of "boring". So we're asking "Does GW2 feel boring", as if there was a universal rubric for discerning what does or does not cause the emotive response of feeling bored.
I just think it's an adorable way to assess MMOs. Rather than accept that they are elaborate graphical user interfaces over databases, we try to gussy them up as somehow not grindy by masking the grind. It's delving further into the illusion, rather than simply accepting that an MMO is a clicky clickfest of clicks.
But, you know, robot.