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So here's the situation, I am going on a 10 day trip to Japan in about three weeks and the last major logistical decision I have to make is whether to purchase a JR rail pass or not.
The basic outline of my trip is: fly into Osaka, stay for a couple of days and then take the bullet train to Tokyo where I will spend another week. Checking online, a one way ticket on the bullet train costs about $170-180 vs $~$360 for the 7 day JR rail pass.
So my questions are a) Will miscellaneous public transportation travel in Osaka/Tokyo be expensive without the JR pass? My thinking is that it can't be more than $10/day so even over ten days, that's only ~$100 for transport. b) I also wanted to ask, is 7 days in Tokyo excessive? I know that even though the JR pass might end up being a bit more expensive than buying tickets "a la carte", but the beauty of having it means that if I do get bored I can easily hop on a train to do a day trip somewhere. I think that I could easily fill a week in Tokyo and not get bored but I would love to hear from other people with experience.
Yes! It will definitely pay for itself. You'll use the train a lot more than you think. Also, if you reserve a seat with your pass and miss your train, which will happen at least once if it's your first time in Japan, you can easily go grab another reservation. They don't charge. But if you buy a reserved seat ticket separately and miss that train, you won't get a refund. Even as a foreigner, you won't be given any slack in that.
A week in Tokyo isn't overkill. It's a huge cities with tons of subcultures to explore.
You're massively underestimating your daily train costs. The Tokyo metropolitan area is huge, and the train system is the easiest way to get around. Ticket fares scale at a pretty reasonable rate, but they start out at about a couple of bucks to get to an adjacent station, and all it take is a couple of side trips during the day and you've already racked up more than twenty bucks in tickets.
The flexibility and savings you'll get from the rail pass will more than pay for it.
When I was there for a month back in 2008 we bought a 21 day pass, we used the pass ALL THE TIME. We took a day trip to Beppu and a day trip to checkout Himeji-jo, and just zoomed around Japan on the Shinkansen whenever we felt like it. Being able to flash it at attendants and just walk through to catch any JR train was great. Sure we had to pay for subway but we didn't take those too often.
Get it, use it, love it.
and take a day trip and go to Himeji the castle is in view from the train station and its a beautiful trip too.
You're massively underestimating your daily train costs. The Tokyo metropolitan area is huge, and the train system is the easiest way to get around. Ticket fares scale at a pretty reasonable rate, but they start out at about a couple of bucks to get to an adjacent station, and all it take is a couple of side trips during the day and you've already racked up more than twenty bucks in tickets.
The flexibility and savings you'll get from the rail pass will more than pay for it.
Yeah, this is what I was most worried about, being completely off on my transportation estimations. I think getting the pass is the smart move to make.
I'm pretty sure the JR rail pass doesn't cover Tokyo metropolitan trains
but you should get it anyway, because it's amazing to just be able to walk onto a bullet train
Well.. you still have to get your ticket from the counter, it just doesnt cost you anything. (unless that changed since 2008)
When I was in Japan in 2004, the Rail Pass could be used on the Yamanote line. Assuming that's still the case, the Rail Pass will get the OP pretty much anywhere he needs to go during a 10 day trip.
I'm pretty sure the JR rail pass doesn't cover Tokyo metropolitan trains
but you should get it anyway, because it's amazing to just be able to walk onto a bullet train
It covers every metropolitan train that Japan Rail (the company) runs, including everything in Tokyo. All the subways that are run by private companies aren't covered by it, however.
Aside from that there is just a couple of bullet trains that the pass doesn't cover, but they aren't massively important (just faster ones), and they wont affect the OP anyway.
I didn't stick around in Osaka (went back to Kyoto instead to spend more time, I'd recommend checking that city out since it's close), but yeah the JR pass would help you in Tokyo but you're still going to be paying for subway tickets.
The JR pass was awesome for taking the Shinkansen when you felt like a change in city. For example on my 2 week trip I wasn't planning on going to Hiroshima, but decided to go during the trip because I had the JR pass and was glad I did for the experience.
If you go to Japan and don't end up visiting Kyoto, you're doing yourself a disservice. When I was there in 2004, I think I ended up paying maybe 700 yen or so out of pocket for rail trips my entire time there, and I was riding trains at least half a dozen times a day, not to mention a few bullet train rides.
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I used my pass like mad in Japan. Do that. I always get whatever kind of mass transit pass is available for where ever I'm going. It's just nice to not have to worry about that portion of the trip, like if you have enough cash on hand to ride.
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If you will be taking the train back to Osaka for your flight home, it will probably be worthwhile. If you are flying out of the Tokyo area, piecemeal tickets will be cheaper overall. However, you will lose the freedom to do something spontaneous. With the rail pass and the shinkansen, you could literally spend every day in a different city.
There is no way the OP is going to spend 180 bucks on bus/train travel in 10 days if they are just going in and around Osaka/Tokyo unless they are going out of their way to visit every little town 30/40 miles of the city proper.
Since you don't know what you're talking about, you probably shouldn't comment. Although it's certainly _possible_ that at no point in those 10 days will the urge to see Kyoto, Nara, Himeiji, or anywhere else that one round train bullet train ticket would pretty much hit that total, arise, if you'd ever traveled in Japan, you'd know that unless you _just_ stayed in the city center, 18 bucks a day in train fare is pretty easy to rack up.
I've been to Japan three times; the last time I spent 3 weeks in the country, and traveled Tokyo/Osaka/Kyoto/Hiroshima/Tokyo. My travel expenses minus using the bullet train last minute to catch a flight were easily less than 200 bucks. Why? Because I knew where I was going, and planned accordingly.
I'll say it again (since it seems to have been lost on ya) - if the OP is staying WITHIN Osaka and Tokyo (and with only 10 days that is easily possible), a JR pass is largely useless, and they should save their money.
So, I ended up getting the pass. Since it's my first time in Japan, I didn't want to rule out the possibility of a spontaneous trip to some city I hadn't planned on going to before. Also, the hostel I am staying at is in the Asakusa area, which looking at google map, is kinda far from the Shibuya, Shinjuku districts so I'll probably be racking up the train trips, JR or otherwise.
i was just gonna come here and say i was in japan for 12 days, flew into osaka, trained to kyoto, went around kyoto including trips to nara etc... went to tokyo, and also went around tokyo (including hostel in asakusa for 2 nights) and to yokohama where my friend was staying
and i did not buy a rail pass, but i would have if i had to make a round trip back to fly out of osaka (i flew out of tokyo)
So, I ended up getting the pass. Since it's my first time in Japan, I didn't want to rule out the possibility of a spontaneous trip to some city I hadn't planned on going to before. Also, the hostel I am staying at is in the Asakusa area, which looking at google map, is kinda far from the Shibuya, Shinjuku districts so I'll probably be racking up the train trips, JR or otherwise.
Khaosan Tokyo? I stayed there on two trips. It's not at all expensive (or long) to get to Shinjuku or Shibuya from there (on subway - JR will be pointless for those excursions) or really any hostel in Asakusa. Since you have the pass, might want to take a quick side trip to Hakone, if only to walk the highway that has a nice view of Mt. Fuji. There is also a great shabu-shabu restaurant there, I forget the name, but perhaps they will still have coupons for it.
Could anyone comment on the practicality of using a locker at the train station to store a piece of luggage? I want to do a day trip to Kyoto and originally what I had thought of was just going there the morning I leave for Tokyo from Osaka, store my stuff in a locker (or two) spend the day in Kyoto and then head for Tokyo in the evening. Alternatively, I could just head to Tokyo and then go back to Kyoto another day. Cost-wise I think it shouldn't be a big deal because I have the JR pass, I guess it's more a distance issue.
The rail pass is wise, it allows you to make day trips on the Shinkansen. Way back in high school when I got a rail pass I think me and my buddies rode the Shinkansen abou 15 times just taking day trips places.
Also, depending on what kind of stuff you're into Tokyo for 7 days could be a lot. Tokyo is great if you're into fashion and kind of metropolitan type stuff but if you're not REALLY going to get into the nitty gritty of it or try to meet up with people and go on adventures in Shinjuku's red light district I'd say head for Kyoto or Osaka. There's a lot more to see there for sure.
Could anyone comment on the practicality of using a locker at the train station to store a piece of luggage?
Not sure what there is to say other than that should be fine.
Agreed. Should be fine (safe, etc.).
You may already be familiar with japan-guide, but here is a link to the site you ought to consult regarding your questions: Japan-guide.com. The Forum and Questions pages were of great resource for me; just enter your question/subject in the search box and you'll find most all (if not all) the information you're looking for. The answers are straightforward and, honestly, everything that I sought advice for turned out to be spot-on regarding the outcome. I'd say you can't go wrong with the information provided there.
RE that locker of yours: Go to Japan-Guide, Questions, and type "lockers, train stations" into the search box. Good place to start.
I quite enjoyed my visit to Japan. I bet you'll enjoy yours. Happy planning!
Could anyone comment on the practicality of using a locker at the train station to store a piece of luggage?
Not sure what there is to say other than that should be fine.
That's what they're there for. I used them all the time when due to traveling, shopping, whatever, I had more stuff than I wanted to carry around with
me all day, and would be passing back through that station later.
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A week in Tokyo isn't overkill. It's a huge cities with tons of subcultures to explore.
The flexibility and savings you'll get from the rail pass will more than pay for it.
Get it, use it, love it.
and take a day trip and go to Himeji the castle is in view from the train station and its a beautiful trip too.
Yeah, this is what I was most worried about, being completely off on my transportation estimations. I think getting the pass is the smart move to make.
Thanks for the input everyone!
but you should get it anyway, because it's amazing to just be able to walk onto a bullet train
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Well.. you still have to get your ticket from the counter, it just doesnt cost you anything. (unless that changed since 2008)
When I was in Japan in 2004, the Rail Pass could be used on the Yamanote line. Assuming that's still the case, the Rail Pass will get the OP pretty much anywhere he needs to go during a 10 day trip.
It covers every metropolitan train that Japan Rail (the company) runs, including everything in Tokyo. All the subways that are run by private companies aren't covered by it, however.
Aside from that there is just a couple of bullet trains that the pass doesn't cover, but they aren't massively important (just faster ones), and they wont affect the OP anyway.
I didn't stick around in Osaka (went back to Kyoto instead to spend more time, I'd recommend checking that city out since it's close), but yeah the JR pass would help you in Tokyo but you're still going to be paying for subway tickets.
The JR pass was awesome for taking the Shinkansen when you felt like a change in city. For example on my 2 week trip I wasn't planning on going to Hiroshima, but decided to go during the trip because I had the JR pass and was glad I did for the experience.
On the other hand if you want to see some more historical Japan stuff then a trip to Kyoto is really, really worth it.
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Save your money.
I'll say it again (since it seems to have been lost on ya) - if the OP is staying WITHIN Osaka and Tokyo (and with only 10 days that is easily possible), a JR pass is largely useless, and they should save their money.
i was just gonna come here and say i was in japan for 12 days, flew into osaka, trained to kyoto, went around kyoto including trips to nara etc... went to tokyo, and also went around tokyo (including hostel in asakusa for 2 nights) and to yokohama where my friend was staying
and i did not buy a rail pass, but i would have if i had to make a round trip back to fly out of osaka (i flew out of tokyo)
Khaosan Tokyo? I stayed there on two trips. It's not at all expensive (or long) to get to Shinjuku or Shibuya from there (on subway - JR will be pointless for those excursions) or really any hostel in Asakusa. Since you have the pass, might want to take a quick side trip to Hakone, if only to walk the highway that has a nice view of Mt. Fuji. There is also a great shabu-shabu restaurant there, I forget the name, but perhaps they will still have coupons for it.
Also, depending on what kind of stuff you're into Tokyo for 7 days could be a lot. Tokyo is great if you're into fashion and kind of metropolitan type stuff but if you're not REALLY going to get into the nitty gritty of it or try to meet up with people and go on adventures in Shinjuku's red light district I'd say head for Kyoto or Osaka. There's a lot more to see there for sure.
Not sure what there is to say other than that should be fine.
Agreed. Should be fine (safe, etc.).
You may already be familiar with japan-guide, but here is a link to the site you ought to consult regarding your questions: Japan-guide.com. The Forum and Questions pages were of great resource for me; just enter your question/subject in the search box and you'll find most all (if not all) the information you're looking for. The answers are straightforward and, honestly, everything that I sought advice for turned out to be spot-on regarding the outcome. I'd say you can't go wrong with the information provided there.
RE that locker of yours: Go to Japan-Guide, Questions, and type "lockers, train stations" into the search box. Good place to start.
I quite enjoyed my visit to Japan. I bet you'll enjoy yours. Happy planning!
me all day, and would be passing back through that station later.