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HBO - Game of Thrones; we talk about all the e[p]isod[e]s and [n]one of th[i] novel[s]!
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So, this dude...
...George R.R. Martin, wrote a so-far unfinished series of books called A Song of Ice and Fire. We have a thread meant for discussion of those books; it is located here.
This thread's purpose is to discuss, in alternating turns, the cinematography, direction, and writing of the show- and the sexual attractiveness of its major characters.
So...........
New episodes are Sunday evenings on HBO!
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BATTLE OF THE BLACKWATER,
TYRION'S HANDSOME,
I WANNA FUCK YGRITTE,
OH MAN I LOVE APPLE PRODUCTS,
TUUUUUUUNE IN SUNDAY AAAAAH
...George R.R. Martin, wrote a so-far unfinished series of books called A Song of Ice and Fire. We have a thread meant for discussion of those books; it is located here.
This thread is separate and apart from that thread.
This thread's purpose is to discuss, in alternating turns, the cinematography, direction, and writing of the show- and the sexual attractiveness of its major characters.
So...........
New episodes are Sunday evenings on HBO!
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For several reasons- including a rash of spoilery conversation, and the upcoming conclusion of this season in the next couple weeks, which I expect to exacerbate reason one- I think that it's necessary to append this warning to the thread.
This thread is for discussing Game of Thrones, the television show currently airing weekly on HBO. While the show is based on a popular series of books, these discussions are not to be joined in this thread; their narratives are not to be melded or connected in any way... not explicitly, and not allusively. I am not a moderator, and so every time this basic rule is ignored, I have to bug one of the appointed moderators. Not every moderator has read the books, either. Please understand that by ignoring the premise of this thread- its parameters, I mean- you inconvenience not only newcomers to the show but me and the moderators on this forum.
There is no ambiguity or vagueness or leeway. If you find yourself going 'well, it'll probably be ok in the TV thread...', post it in the book thread to be safe. Please. This is a matter of basic courtesy, and because of repeated eschewals of these warnings, it is now a matter of mod agitation.
Note that while book talk is still verboten, television conversation is considered uninhibited. All TV going-ons will- once they're aired- be regarded as common knowledge. Don't start reading until you've seen the episode!
This thread is for discussing Game of Thrones, the television show currently airing weekly on HBO. While the show is based on a popular series of books, these discussions are not to be joined in this thread; their narratives are not to be melded or connected in any way... not explicitly, and not allusively. I am not a moderator, and so every time this basic rule is ignored, I have to bug one of the appointed moderators. Not every moderator has read the books, either. Please understand that by ignoring the premise of this thread- its parameters, I mean- you inconvenience not only newcomers to the show but me and the moderators on this forum.
There is no ambiguity or vagueness or leeway. If you find yourself going 'well, it'll probably be ok in the TV thread...', post it in the book thread to be safe. Please. This is a matter of basic courtesy, and because of repeated eschewals of these warnings, it is now a matter of mod agitation.
Note that while book talk is still verboten, television conversation is considered uninhibited. All TV going-ons will- once they're aired- be regarded as common knowledge. Don't start reading until you've seen the episode!
BATTLE OF THE BLACKWATER,
TYRION'S HANDSOME,
I WANNA FUCK YGRITTE,
OH MAN I LOVE APPLE PRODUCTS,
TUUUUUUUNE IN SUNDAY AAAAAH
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Why does the Lord of Bones get to wear all those bones? Why did nobody tell him he looked silly?
Robb needs to straight-up just get with that nurse from Volantis because she is fooooiiiinnnnne.
Oh Cat...ooooooh Caaaaaaat...I can't shake my head at you enough.
I am liking Nikolaj Coster-Waldau more and more this season.
Finally some shit is about to go DOWN from Tywarya's story.
Also I know what it is about the new Mountain that isn't quite right, he just doesn't look brutish enough!
vs
TyriBronn is still amazing. They're like a married couple. I love it.
Arya vs Jaqen was AWESOME, I want them to be friends forever.
"Because [Varys] doesn't have a cock." "Neither do you" is now my favourite dialogue ever. I really enjoy watching Tyrion vs Cersei. Especially when she's an asshole.
See point 3. YEEEEEAAAAHHHHH BOOOOOIIIIIIII...wait did Robb just...umm...'lay siege to the outer walls'?
Jaqen's so fucking awesome.
Nothing of real merit after that.
Ok, I haven't read the books so I'm not counting this as a spoiler because it's a guess but I'll spoiler it anyway. I just want to call it for if/when it's revealed
DUN DUN
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Make no mistake, that is what Cat did. Sure he is in shackles now, but in Kingslanding they come off, and Cat should have no reason to believe that she will be getting anything back beyond Brienne's head. Not after what happened to Ned.
Jaime has shown that he is simply too expensive to keep as a prisoner. Sure when they took him he was going to be an exchange, but once he killed Karstark's son he proved that it will cost more to keep him alive for trade than whatever they would get for him. And keep in mind, a prisoner exchange is something that will have to happen at a much more stable time, where both armies are able to do it together, since again, they have no reason to think that they can trust the Lannisters.
Now, we can talk about how Cat was just being a mother and made a mistake, but this goes beyond anything reasonable. She should know better. She shows all the time that she should know better. There is a point where it stretches belief that she would be that stupid and this is one of those times. Grabbing Tyrion and putting her husband and daughters in jeopardy in the first place is another.
The main thing to remember is that Cat and Ned and, frankly, the rest of the Realm have all been living in a time of stability where honor and authority seem to mean something. It's a huge scandal when Joffrey doesn't take the diplomatic approach to dealing with the Starks, or when the Lannisters just kill the king when their secret is about to get outed.
People just don't realize that the Lannisters give no fucks about honor or authority. Tywin has spent his entire life building up the Lannisters' credibility, financial network, alliances, and an army of psychotics for the purpose of unleashing living hell on anyone who fucks with his family.
Against most lords, Ned and Cat would probably have been more successful, is what I'm saying. The Lannisters eat those lords for breakfast. Hear Me Roar!
On the other hand, their subjects are ripping the arms off Lannister allies in the streets and half the world is raising an army against them. Doesn't seem like pissing everyone off is a good long-term strategy.
Humans, as a general rule, aren't the best at long-term strategy.
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"Great rangers never get old, and neither do the shit ones. Some of the average ones last a long time."
Why would great rangers never get old? Would they get promoted?
The great ones always die in the line of duty.
You have to be good enough not to make stupid mistakes, but not quite so good that you'd lay down your life for the cause.
Given that Tyrion is in power in KL, I don't think you can completely dismiss the possibility of a legitimate exchange of hostages. After all, all the noble families have to honor hostage exchanges because there is always possible one day you or a child of yours might be a hostage and you need the trust in that old institution.
The reason it hasn't happened so far is that Robb and his men didn't feel that 2 young girls were enough to get in return for Jaime Lannister, not that they didn't believe in hostage exchanges. So you can argue whether Catelyn was wise to make that deal. But I don't think you can really get on her for believing in the deal.
Jaime explained who she is, basically, in the last episode.
Considering that it seemed to be making that choice or letting Robb's men kill Jaime. I'd say she made the right choice. A dead Jaime would have been useless. Now the way she went about executing the deal....may leave something to be desired (we'll see).
This week, however, is pure anticipation. I can't be bothered to think up critiques to last last week's episode! Any time spent thinking about Game of Thrones must be devoted entirely to being psyched about next week.
The Good:
- Robb's arc is progressing nicely. He's becoming the hero Westeros may not deserve, but the one they need (and desperately). His scenes with the nice lady from Volantis are this show's best romance, and the sex scene was both this shows hottest and most tasteful.
- Also, good play with Robb standing up to his mom and calling her out on her erratic selfishness in front of witnesses. I'm glad this show finally has one character with authority that's willing to acknowledge there might be something worth fighting for than personal honor and insult.
- The scenes with Bronn, Tyrion, and Varys were crackling; it's an interesting point of view on these three figures who are all intelligent men being forced into a situation looking increasingly dire, all of them wondering how to best remove themselves it.
- Oh my god! Stannis and Davos! They ARE on this show! Character development and all!
- Tonks am teh smart.
- WHO'S FUCKING SKULL WAS THAT?!
The Bad:
- While her scenes were mercifully short, they only served to underline how little Danaerys has had to do this season. Almost no movement on her story this week except possibly a burgeoning and super gross romance with Jorah. I'm not even sure why she was in this episode. We've gone many episodes with complete omission of certain characters (like, uh, Stannis), so her presence being missed here would actually be less jarring that the little bit we were given. Not a big deal, but jarring still.
- A weird tonal shift on Cersei's part this week. I think had it not been juxtaposed against last week's show of her humanity and empathy in dealing with Sansa, her sudden turn into sadism and torture wouldn't seem so bizarre and clumsy, but there it is. Also, her plan also doesn't do anything to help her. "If Joffrey gets hurt or killed in battle, I'll kill your girlfriend." Well, that'll bring Dead Joffrey back, eh? No. No it won't. You're an idiot, and I hope you die.
The Questionable:
- Why show us the scenes with Brienne and Jaime? We learned nothing. A complete waste of time. We still have no idea what deal or terms Catelyn made with Jaime, and everything we saw in that scene could have been summed up in a later scene, or the scene could have been more informative. Not good.
- As well, a curious bit of the writers creating a false mystery by Arya planning an escape for her, Smithy, and Pig-Baby. A lot of time spent on the details of the escape, no information on what her plan is, where she's heading, why she would bring someone along with no discernible skills that would drag them down (ol' Tubby), or what's going to happen to Jaqen after he murders all of his cohorts in the patrol.
Overall, a pretty good episode, but I must admit some apprehension in the fact that only two episodes remain while so many threads are left dangling. I'm very aware that the finale may not tie everything up, but I won't find much satisfaction if the show forgoes narrative escalation and just keeps kicking cans the road. Season One was brought to an organic climax, for the most part, so my fingers are crossed that at least the central narrative will be significantly resolved or redirected.
Really? You never heard the saying, "“There are old pilots and there are bold pilots, but there are no old bold pilots?"
Because she's not a horrible human being?
Alternative Answer: This isn't "The Walking Dead".
I'm pretty sure I saw zombies.
The line is obvious a takeoff on that old idiom, but the pilot one is just saying that reckless people who do dangerous things for a living / often don't last very long. The Night's Watch thing adds a third dimension -- ostensibly, that a "great" ranger will lay down his life at the drop of a hat in the name of duty.
Ok it's not "The Walking Dead"....yet
On a different subject. From the above trailer, are we thinking that Stannis will send "sacrificial troops" to the MudGate,as a diversion, where they will be promptly wildfire-d while he sends the bulk of his troops to breach the walls at another locale? Hence Tyrion's little "something is amiss" look at 1:05 of the first trailer.
Knowing about the wildfire, you or I might think ahead and anticipate something in response to Stannis going for what everyone knows is the weakest point of entry to King's Landing... but Stannis doesn't know about the wildfire. In his position, one might just assume they'll have more men than normal defending it, trying to compensate for its structural weakness relative to the other gates. Stannis might just figure he can take whatever losses he incurs as the cost of getting inside King's Landing.
Yeah, Cat has shown that she really thinks Tyrion is an honorable person... Wait, no, she thinks he has already tried to kill one of her sons.
Sorry, this is ignoring major facts about the series and Cat to make her look better. The fact of the matter is, she hates the Lannisters and doesn't think that they can be trusted. She has also shown that at least certain lords, such as Greyjoy, are not deserving of trust in a very similar situation. I can't see why we should believe she thinks the Lannisters are any more trustworthy.
Again, she did nothing but significantly help her enemies for the slimmest chance that she might one day see her daughters again. And again, from Robb's men's point of view the deal isn't Jaime for the girls anymore, it is Jaime, Karstark's son, and anyone else he manages to kill before they can trade him for the girls. This ignores the fact that they will then have to fight Jaime again, on a future battlefield, something we have been given the impression does not have a high chance of success.
Ned was killed by a rash act of Joffery, which he had plenty of armored men willing to obey. Maybe Tyrion can convince him to return the girls, but I can see Cersei being against that as well, if nothing else to spite Tyrion. Returning the girls really doesn't get them much. Jaime can lie and say he escaped, it is doubtful he would still be in chains by the time he made it to the castle anyways, having been picked up by patrols. He can tell them that the Starks aren't to be trusted after they killed his poor cousin and that the girls still have use as hostages.
I was actually taking into consideration Tyrion's line about Stannis knowing King's Landing so well. I figured he might know of another weakspot that isn't so obvious or some sort, but I guess Tyrion would have found out about that as well?
Have to agree. Absolutely nothing has changed between last episode and this one, so I don't see the point in having a scene that plays out almost exactly like the last time we saw her, except now she's slightly less bothered by Jorah's overtures or more inclined to manipulate him or something.
Cersei is a bad, bad, bad person, but the picture they are painting of her is that she is capable of something almost approaching tenderness alongside her absolutely batshit and cruel side. What's interesting is that both sides of her spring from the same well, though - her devotion to her children. As for her and Sansa, I think she sees in Sansa a bit of what she was before becoming queen.
Yeah, we don't know much about whatever bargain was struck (if any), but we do know how they're getting out of camp, got a bit more backstory on Brienne, and more of both their characters (like how neither of them are as scared of the other as they likely should be).
Also, while Tyrion is one of the smartest people in the show, he's still quite capable of making mistakes - not realizing that Cersei was going after his woman was an obvious instance of Tyrion missing out on things happening under his nose. As satisfying as it may be for the audience to see Joffrey slapped, pissing off a psychopathic king on a regular basis is obviously a horrible decision in the long run.
Yes, she thought that when she captured him, but that was just after she was told the dagger belongs to Tyrion.
I think after having some interaction with him, she already doesn't quite believe it after he pointed out how stupid it would be to use his own knife, and then he saved her life during the attack by the mountain clan. I don't think she at this point thinks Tyrion sent the assassin any more.
And it's unbreakable but Jon Snow sharpens his anyway because he's a moron
Edit: God watching these background videos makes me so angry the Game of Thrones videogame is so bad.
She's also a lot more aware that Littlefinger is a lying asshole.
Are those videos off the DVDs or something? Anyway, they're quite good and I'd advise people to watch through them all on that there Youtube if you've got some time.
Yup. From the set.
I think there are about 3 AGOT games being released and I'm never sure which one people are referring to, because they all get called, 'The Game of Thrones videogame'.
Probably the RPG that just got released. Apparently it's almost entirely horrible - gameplay, graphics, voice acting - but the story is actually pretty good, which actually makes it worse.
From what I've read, it's neither fish nor fowl. It takes place during Book 1 and goes into some very book-sourced detail, but then has certain characters played by the actors from the show. It's also apparently canon, since Martin wrote the outline, but has no meaning in the other stories in any meaningful way since the characters don't actually affect the story being told in the books OR TV show.
Also, I read that the gameplay was like "a broken version of Dragon Age."
First is Gendry, the less crazy:
Reasoning: In S01E02 (I think it was) Cersei attempts to comfort Cat when she's watching over Bran. She tells her about how her and Robert's first-born son (who she notes as having the Baratheon black hair) died of fever or somesuch when just a babe. I seem to recall her saying something about never even visiting the grave. Anyway, that set off alarm bells and as Gendry seems like the only bastard to survive this season's earlier bastard cleansing in King's Landing, I'm figuring it's him.
Now Jon, the real crazy:
Reasoning: We know that Ned was an extremely honourable man (to a fault), but he came back north to Cat after the war with a bastard son. He also never liked to talk about who Jon's mother was. My theory is that Lyanna didn't die of sickness just after having been rescued (IIRC the given reason for her death), but that she died in childbirth and made Ned promise to raise the boy as his own bastard out of fear that Robert would have Jon killed for being half-Dragon blood.
This one actually crossed my mind while I was watching the first season and