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I suddenly had the image of, three years from now with the Wii being the market, people still saying how the Wii is going to slip behind soon and not have 3rd party support etc.
...I don't know whether to be amused at the thought or just saddened that I can actually imagine this as being plausible.
Xbox can do Half Life 2.
Wii is more powerful than Xbox.
Therefore, Wii can do Half Life 2.
.. Are LBP planet's physics more advanced than HL2's? I can't see much more in there than, say, Armadillo Run.
Is the Wii more powerful then an xbox? I was looking wikipedias hardware spec listings, and it didn't look like it. But then again, I'm not too knowledgeable on hardware, so could someone give a quick rundown?
Who cares if one PS3 game can't be done 100% the same way?
Really. Who cares?
I have yet to pick up a Wii game and think, "this looks bad." In fact, in the case of Warioware, I was rather impressed with the visuals...not to mention Zelda.
It's not entirely clear what the Wii is capable of, and we probably won't see its best looking games for another two years at least.
Uhm, the level editor is real time. You can drop an object in and knock over paint cans with it or whatever.
I assume you're correcting me on the Elebits level editor (since I thought it wasn't above)?
I have to be honest that I haven't had much time to play it yet, ... want to beat the story mode before I go on to editing levels.
@revolve and Ownage Jones: You obviously understand my words, but still don't seem to understand what I'm saying. LBP is something totally new ... so there's not going to be a direct comparison until somebody decides to go "me too!" and make something just like it.
So you'll have to just live with the fact that any comparisons we make here are imperfect. And that we already know that they're imperfect when we make the comparisons ... we don't need it pointed out to us that there's nothing exactly like LBP.
The fact that there's nothing quite like it (and therefore we've never played anything like it) is probably what's getting us all so interested in the first place.
Only thing similar to it is Gmod. In fact, I bet with the right amount of motivation, someone could make a Gmod mod that would be almost exactly like the basic gameplay/edditing mechanism of LBP.
Xbox can do Half Life 2.
Wii is more powerful than Xbox.
Therefore, Wii can do Half Life 2.
.. Are LBP planet's physics more advanced than HL2's? I can't see much more in there than, say, Armadillo Run.
Is the Wii more powerful then an xbox? I was looking wikipedias hardware spec listings, and it didn't look like it. But then again, I'm not too knowledgeable on hardware, so could someone give a quick rundown?
Yes, it is. Don't read specs.
Oh Zek, you're a blessing to these boards.
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"Everyone who is capable of logical thought should be able to see why you shouldn't sell lifetime subscriptions to an MMO. Cell phone companies and drug dealers don't offer lifetime subscriptions either, guess why?" - Mugaaz
Xbox can do Half Life 2.
Wii is more powerful than Xbox.
Therefore, Wii can do Half Life 2.
.. Are LBP planet's physics more advanced than HL2's? I can't see much more in there than, say, Armadillo Run.
Is the Wii more powerful then an xbox? I was looking wikipedias hardware spec listings, and it didn't look like it. But then again, I'm not too knowledgeable on hardware, so could someone give a quick rundown?
Yes, it is. Don't read specs.
Oh Zek, you're a blessing to these boards.
Developers have said it's more powerful than the Xbox. I trust them over specs.
Xbox can do Half Life 2.
Wii is more powerful than Xbox.
Therefore, Wii can do Half Life 2.
.. Are LBP planet's physics more advanced than HL2's? I can't see much more in there than, say, Armadillo Run.
Is the Wii more powerful then an xbox? I was looking wikipedias hardware spec listings, and it didn't look like it. But then again, I'm not too knowledgeable on hardware, so could someone give a quick rundown?
Yes, it is. Don't read specs.
Oh Zek, you're a blessing to these boards.
Developers have said it's more powerful than the Xbox. I trust them over specs.
Rather you trust them or not, that's... just not how it works, or the point. Like I said, it could be that I'm mistaken, and I was wondering if anyone has anything besides "this one guy said".
Neva on
SC2 Beta: Neva.ling
"Everyone who is capable of logical thought should be able to see why you shouldn't sell lifetime subscriptions to an MMO. Cell phone companies and drug dealers don't offer lifetime subscriptions either, guess why?" - Mugaaz
Xbox can do Half Life 2.
Wii is more powerful than Xbox.
Therefore, Wii can do Half Life 2.
.. Are LBP planet's physics more advanced than HL2's? I can't see much more in there than, say, Armadillo Run.
Is the Wii more powerful then an xbox? I was looking wikipedias hardware spec listings, and it didn't look like it. But then again, I'm not too knowledgeable on hardware, so could someone give a quick rundown?
Yes, it is. Don't read specs.
Oh Zek, you're a blessing to these boards.
Developers have said it's more powerful than the Xbox. I trust them over specs.
Rather you trust them or not, that's... just not how it works, or the point. Like I said, it could be that I'm mistaken, and I was wondering if anyone has anything besides "this one guy said".
Look at the Mario Galaxy trailer. That's running at either 60 fps or 30 fps locked. The Xbox couldn't have done that.
That's about the best you're going to get either way.
Xbox can do Half Life 2.
Wii is more powerful than Xbox.
Therefore, Wii can do Half Life 2.
.. Are LBP planet's physics more advanced than HL2's? I can't see much more in there than, say, Armadillo Run.
Is the Wii more powerful then an xbox? I was looking wikipedias hardware spec listings, and it didn't look like it. But then again, I'm not too knowledgeable on hardware, so could someone give a quick rundown?
Yes, it is. Don't read specs.
Oh Zek, you're a blessing to these boards.
Developers have said it's more powerful than the Xbox. I trust them over specs.
Rather you trust them or not, that's... just not how it works, or the point. Like I said, it could be that I'm mistaken, and I was wondering if anyone has anything besides "this one guy said".
Nintendo actually hasn't released the Wii's specs, but even the low end of the estimations (i.e., multiply the cube's specs by 1.5) put it at more powerful than an Xbox.
And I wanted to bring up the "Half-Life 2 looks and plays great on the Xbox" point first. Pout.
Xbox can do Half Life 2.
Wii is more powerful than Xbox.
Therefore, Wii can do Half Life 2.
.. Are LBP planet's physics more advanced than HL2's? I can't see much more in there than, say, Armadillo Run.
Is the Wii more powerful then an xbox? I was looking wikipedias hardware spec listings, and it didn't look like it. But then again, I'm not too knowledgeable on hardware, so could someone give a quick rundown?
Yes, it is. Don't read specs.
Oh Zek, you're a blessing to these boards.
Developers have said it's more powerful than the Xbox. I trust them over specs.
Rather you trust them or not, that's... just not how it works, or the point. Like I said, it could be that I'm mistaken, and I was wondering if anyone has anything besides "this one guy said".
Look at the Mario Galaxy trailer. That's running at either 60 fps or 30 fps locked. The Xbox couldn't have done that.
That's about the best you're going to get either way.
You're kidding, right?
Neva on
SC2 Beta: Neva.ling
"Everyone who is capable of logical thought should be able to see why you shouldn't sell lifetime subscriptions to an MMO. Cell phone companies and drug dealers don't offer lifetime subscriptions either, guess why?" - Mugaaz
so basically we are all just guessing about exactly what is involved in HL2's physics engine, then saying if the Wii can probably do that... then it would be no problem to run LBP on it
This is silly. Firstly, it's ridiculous to get offended about your favourite games console. Really. It's just ludicrous.
SECONDLY, a lot of people are looking at this from the wrong angle. Could the Wii run this game? Probably not. Almost certainly not. Could the Wii run a fun cooperative platformer with good physics and clever puzzles? Yes, yes it fucking could. That's exactly why there's NO POINT getting pissy with people who say, quite rightly "the Wii probably couldn't handle this game". It doesn't need to! Horses for courses!
The 360 couldn't run Wii Sports, but I don't pointing that out would cause this much drama.
so basically we are all just guessing about exactly what is involved in HL2's physics engine, then saying if the Wii can probably do that... then it would be no problem to run LBP on it
Deductive reasoning! Except for the deductive reasoning part.
Neva on
SC2 Beta: Neva.ling
"Everyone who is capable of logical thought should be able to see why you shouldn't sell lifetime subscriptions to an MMO. Cell phone companies and drug dealers don't offer lifetime subscriptions either, guess why?" - Mugaaz
Remember the days when we bought a game console because it had fun games and we weren't concerned how many times it's CPU could jizz a second or how lifelike that jizz looked?
Yeah. I remember those times too. They were good times. Happy times.
Remember the days when we bought a game console because it had fun games and we weren't concerned how many times it's CPU could jizz a second or how lifelike that jizz looked?
Yeah. I remember those times too. They were good times. Happy times.
Fuck entertainment for advancing. We want out Pac-mans and hoppity scotch back.
Neva on
SC2 Beta: Neva.ling
"Everyone who is capable of logical thought should be able to see why you shouldn't sell lifetime subscriptions to an MMO. Cell phone companies and drug dealers don't offer lifetime subscriptions either, guess why?" - Mugaaz
Remember the days when we bought a game console because it had fun games and we weren't concerned how many times it's CPU could jizz a second or how lifelike that jizz looked?
Yeah. I remember those times too. They were good times. Happy times.
Those times never existed and you know it. Remember all the stupid squabbling over whether a SNES or Genesis were more powerful?
The Wii hardware is pretty snazzy, but devs have been rushing/porting stuff since it's so new.
Look at Sonic and the Secret Rings.
That game is gorgeous, and I'm hard pressed to find an Xbox game that looks that good, has that good of a draw distance, and runs that smoothly at that high of a framerate consistently.
Honestly though? I don't care that much. I got a Wii for interesting new gameplay mechanics and the guaranteed-to-be-good first party titles as well as the interesting stuff that other companies are able to do.
Shit, even Madden is fresh again on the Wii. And no amount of polygons or high res textures can do that on the other systems.
The Wii hardware is pretty snazzy, but devs have been rushing/porting stuff since it's so new.
Look at Sonic and the Secret Rings.
That game is gorgeous, and I'm hard pressed to find an Xbox game that looks that good, has that good of a draw distance, and runs that smoothly at that high of a framerate consistently.
Honestly though? I don't care that much. I got a Wii for interesting new gameplay mechanics and the guaranteed-to-be-good first party titles as well as the interesting stuff that other companies are able to do.
Shit, even Madden is fresh again on the Wii. And no amount of polygons or high res textures can do that on the other systems.
This is why everyone needs a Wii60 or a PSThwii.
Well, in the case of Sonic and the Secret Rings,.... it's a very good things that the levels are huge, and yet run really fast.
Xbox can do Half Life 2.
Wii is more powerful than Xbox.
Therefore, Wii can do Half Life 2.
.. Are LBP planet's physics more advanced than HL2's? I can't see much more in there than, say, Armadillo Run.
Is the Wii more powerful then an xbox? I was looking wikipedias hardware spec listings, and it didn't look like it. But then again, I'm not too knowledgeable on hardware, so could someone give a quick rundown?
Yes, it is. Don't read specs.
Oh Zek, you're a blessing to these boards.
Developers have said it's more powerful than the Xbox. I trust them over specs.
Rather you trust them or not, that's... just not how it works, or the point. Like I said, it could be that I'm mistaken, and I was wondering if anyone has anything besides "this one guy said".
Look at the Mario Galaxy trailer. That's running at either 60 fps or 30 fps locked. The Xbox couldn't have done that.
That's about the best you're going to get either way.
I honestly think you might be looking with slightly blinkered eyes here. To me it looks as complex as something like Viva Pinata. There's obviously very highly detailed models being used here both as the 4 characters and the foreground objects and in the background. I'm sure you could cut a lot of corners but this looks like a very detailed game.
I still don't get what you think is so technically amazing about the graphics in this. It's very nice looking.... but trust me, it's not even remotely pushing the limits of the PS3 (well, except maybe the motion blur, that's very fill-rate intensive). But the rest of it is actually relatively simplistic looking.
Just keep in mind that there is a game on the Wii with comparable stuff on screen (4 characters, 2D environment composed of 3D objects), and it certainly doesn't look bad. In fact, it manages to keep a constant 60 fps where LBP uses motion blur to disguise its framerate.
I'm not going to pretend that the Wii's gonna compete with the PS3 graphically... but LBP isn't really all that computationally intensive from a graphics standpoint. Like I said before, it mostly looks good because it's well planned and designed. What effects are used are used in a pleasing way that's not intrusive (like it has bloom, but it doesn't have crazy Fable bloom).
I honestly can't see how you can miss all the extra detail in a screentshot like this
compared to
Look at how much more complex the grass and the trees in the background are. The little petals on the flowers, the vines starting to grow on the dirt behind the leaves. There's just so much more going on (although obviously, this isn't themost representative shot of ssb:b, I'm sure it has more complex stages)
I'm not saying SSB:B looks bad, it clearly doesn't, and I remember from the the trailer it has a really fantastic mix of art styles. It's just the level of detail is nowhere near equivalent.
I think that's the big issue. The Wii cannot make a GoW, that much I understand. But LBP? It's just so much nicer looking than it really needs to be. A great game for PS3 owners who happen to like that style of game (which I do!) but how much better is it going to be than Castle Crashers?
If the answer is 'not really', then I dunno.. who cares?
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This thread is a discussion of the perceived lack of power in the Wii. The purpose is not to disprove its relative power; it is widely known that the Wii is not designed to pump out the graphics that the 360 and PS3 do.
Everyone knows the Wii is just two GameCubes duct-taped together with a funky control scheme.
Xbox can do Half Life 2.
Wii is more powerful than Xbox.
Therefore, Wii can do Half Life 2.
.. Are LBP planet's physics more advanced than HL2's? I can't see much more in there than, say, Armadillo Run.
Is the Wii more powerful then an xbox? I was looking wikipedias hardware spec listings, and it didn't look like it. But then again, I'm not too knowledgeable on hardware, so could someone give a quick rundown?
If the Wii is just a sped up gamecube with more memory and nothing else then it's vastly more powerful then the xbox. The only thing the gamecube lacked in comparison to the xbox was dedicated shaders and overall amount of ram (as well as storage space).
The processor, graphics processor, and ram in the gamecube where all faster (sometimes not by alot, like in the case of the graphics processor) and more efficent then what was in the xbox.
Shit the gamecubes cpu is even multi-threaded, a technology that sony and ms are now using in their cpus (along with multi-coring).
And to who ever claimed SSB:M has no physics. The game keeps track of momentum, traction, trajectory, and mass for every character, with an additional modifer for fall speed. It's not "realistic" physics by any means but their is a fair amount of physics simulation going on in that game, and SSB:B is likely to be more advanced there then SSB:M ever was.
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I really don't think the lack of highly detailed grass is hurting Smash Bros.
Look at the PSP and the DS. Where horsepower is concerned, the PSP is lightyears beyond the DS. Where are all the big arguments about the graphical inferiority of the DS?
I really don't think the lack of highly detailed grass is hurting Smash Bros.
Look at the PSP and the DS. Where horsepower is concerned, the PSP is lightyears beyond the DS. Where are all the big arguments about the graphical inferiority of the DS?
Come to think of it, DS games don't look as good as Gamecube games even! OLOL! I want my money back for the system and all of these games they made under the guise of 'fun'. I can't even see the individual blades of grass in New Super Mario Bros!
I really don't think the lack of highly detailed grass is hurting Smash Bros.
Look at the PSP and the DS. Where horsepower is concerned, the PSP is lightyears beyond the DS. Where are all the big arguments about the graphical inferiority of the DS?
To be fair, people aren't trying to say the DS can run PSP games. Since the Wii was recently released and there isn't a very good library for it so far, it's become a "my dad can beat up your dad" competition. The Wii isn't spose to push graphics/physics/power, it's spose to be a new take on gameplay. Now that new and neat looking games for the PS3 are being shown off, it seems like alot of people here are trying to justify their purchase by saying the Wii can pull so and so off. People will be a lot happier if they stop trying to make the Wii into something it's not.
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"Everyone who is capable of logical thought should be able to see why you shouldn't sell lifetime subscriptions to an MMO. Cell phone companies and drug dealers don't offer lifetime subscriptions either, guess why?" - Mugaaz
I really don't think the lack of highly detailed grass is hurting Smash Bros.
Look at the PSP and the DS. Where horsepower is concerned, the PSP is lightyears beyond the DS. Where are all the big arguments about the graphical inferiority of the DS?
To be fair, people aren't trying to say the DS can run PSP games. Since the Wii was recently released and there isn't a very good library for it so far, it's become a "my dad can beat up your dad" competition. The Wii isn't spose to push graphics/physics/power, it's spose to be a new take on gameplay. Now that new and neat looking games for the PS3 are being shown off, it seems like alot of people here are trying to justify their purchase by saying the Wii can pull so and so off. People will be a lot happier if they stop trying to make the Wii into something it's not.
I think as long as the Wii has the ability to display a game in a style that the developer wants, I should be fine with it.
Then again, I don't have a high def TV or anything, and never wanted my PS2 games to look any better than they did. It's good when stuff looks more detailed, but it certainly isn't a selling point for me.
I really don't think the lack of highly detailed grass is hurting Smash Bros.
Look at the PSP and the DS. Where horsepower is concerned, the PSP is lightyears beyond the DS. Where are all the big arguments about the graphical inferiority of the DS?
To be fair, people aren't trying to say the DS can run PSP games. Since the Wii was recently released and there isn't a very good library for it so far, it's become a "my dad can beat up your dad" competition. The Wii isn't spose to push graphics/physics/power, it's spose to be a new take on gameplay. Now that new and neat looking games for the PS3 are being shown off, it seems like alot of people here are trying to justify their purchase by saying the Wii can pull so and so off. People will be a lot happier if they stop trying to make the Wii into something it's not.
You mean like "Two gamecubes stuck together"?
If you bother to think about it in a non-literal sense, that's half of it.
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"Everyone who is capable of logical thought should be able to see why you shouldn't sell lifetime subscriptions to an MMO. Cell phone companies and drug dealers don't offer lifetime subscriptions either, guess why?" - Mugaaz
Is it Wii owners trying to defend the Wii against PS3's awesome power?
Or PS3 owners trying to downplay the Wii's power because they're threatened by the innovation?
If you've read any post in this thread, I think you know the answer.
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"Everyone who is capable of logical thought should be able to see why you shouldn't sell lifetime subscriptions to an MMO. Cell phone companies and drug dealers don't offer lifetime subscriptions either, guess why?" - Mugaaz
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...I don't know whether to be amused at the thought or just saddened that I can actually imagine this as being plausible.
Yes, it is. Don't read specs.
I have yet to pick up a Wii game and think, "this looks bad." In fact, in the case of Warioware, I was rather impressed with the visuals...not to mention Zelda.
It's not entirely clear what the Wii is capable of, and we probably won't see its best looking games for another two years at least.
I assume you're correcting me on the Elebits level editor (since I thought it wasn't above)?
I have to be honest that I haven't had much time to play it yet, ... want to beat the story mode before I go on to editing levels.
@revolve and Ownage Jones: You obviously understand my words, but still don't seem to understand what I'm saying. LBP is something totally new ... so there's not going to be a direct comparison until somebody decides to go "me too!" and make something just like it.
So you'll have to just live with the fact that any comparisons we make here are imperfect. And that we already know that they're imperfect when we make the comparisons ... we don't need it pointed out to us that there's nothing exactly like LBP.
The fact that there's nothing quite like it (and therefore we've never played anything like it) is probably what's getting us all so interested in the first place.
Oh Zek, you're a blessing to these boards.
"Everyone who is capable of logical thought should be able to see why you shouldn't sell lifetime subscriptions to an MMO. Cell phone companies and drug dealers don't offer lifetime subscriptions either, guess why?" - Mugaaz
Developers have said it's more powerful than the Xbox. I trust them over specs.
Rather you trust them or not, that's... just not how it works, or the point. Like I said, it could be that I'm mistaken, and I was wondering if anyone has anything besides "this one guy said".
"Everyone who is capable of logical thought should be able to see why you shouldn't sell lifetime subscriptions to an MMO. Cell phone companies and drug dealers don't offer lifetime subscriptions either, guess why?" - Mugaaz
Look at the Mario Galaxy trailer. That's running at either 60 fps or 30 fps locked. The Xbox couldn't have done that.
That's about the best you're going to get either way.
Nintendo actually hasn't released the Wii's specs, but even the low end of the estimations (i.e., multiply the cube's specs by 1.5) put it at more powerful than an Xbox.
And I wanted to bring up the "Half-Life 2 looks and plays great on the Xbox" point first. Pout.
You're kidding, right?
"Everyone who is capable of logical thought should be able to see why you shouldn't sell lifetime subscriptions to an MMO. Cell phone companies and drug dealers don't offer lifetime subscriptions either, guess why?" - Mugaaz
SECONDLY, a lot of people are looking at this from the wrong angle. Could the Wii run this game? Probably not. Almost certainly not. Could the Wii run a fun cooperative platformer with good physics and clever puzzles? Yes, yes it fucking could. That's exactly why there's NO POINT getting pissy with people who say, quite rightly "the Wii probably couldn't handle this game". It doesn't need to! Horses for courses!
The 360 couldn't run Wii Sports, but I don't pointing that out would cause this much drama.
Deductive reasoning! Except for the deductive reasoning part.
"Everyone who is capable of logical thought should be able to see why you shouldn't sell lifetime subscriptions to an MMO. Cell phone companies and drug dealers don't offer lifetime subscriptions either, guess why?" - Mugaaz
But that means the poor 360 owners miss out on the wonderful joys of waggle.
Think of the Xbox owners.
Think of them.
They lack waggle utterly.
The poor forgotten souls.
we will settle for Wii bowling as an arcade download
and to be authentic I'll stand up and swing my arms while I play
That's the spirit!
That'd be just like previous bowling games with button presses. Except you'd be retarded!
Crazy huh?
It's like playing a fun game like bowling except only with people who are in the room with you.... retarded.
Especially when I can play bowling on the DS with people on the internet.
Yeah. I remember those times too. They were good times. Happy times.
Fuck entertainment for advancing. We want out Pac-mans and hoppity scotch back.
"Everyone who is capable of logical thought should be able to see why you shouldn't sell lifetime subscriptions to an MMO. Cell phone companies and drug dealers don't offer lifetime subscriptions either, guess why?" - Mugaaz
Those times never existed and you know it. Remember all the stupid squabbling over whether a SNES or Genesis were more powerful?
I do. Then again, I'm old.
Look at Sonic and the Secret Rings.
That game is gorgeous, and I'm hard pressed to find an Xbox game that looks that good, has that good of a draw distance, and runs that smoothly at that high of a framerate consistently.
Honestly though? I don't care that much. I got a Wii for interesting new gameplay mechanics and the guaranteed-to-be-good first party titles as well as the interesting stuff that other companies are able to do.
Shit, even Madden is fresh again on the Wii. And no amount of polygons or high res textures can do that on the other systems.
This is why everyone needs a Wii60 or a PSThwii.
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Well, in the case of Sonic and the Secret Rings,.... it's a very good things that the levels are huge, and yet run really fast.
I honestly can't see how you can miss all the extra detail in a screentshot like this
compared to
Look at how much more complex the grass and the trees in the background are. The little petals on the flowers, the vines starting to grow on the dirt behind the leaves. There's just so much more going on (although obviously, this isn't themost representative shot of ssb:b, I'm sure it has more complex stages)
I'm not saying SSB:B looks bad, it clearly doesn't, and I remember from the the trailer it has a really fantastic mix of art styles. It's just the level of detail is nowhere near equivalent.
I think that's the big issue. The Wii cannot make a GoW, that much I understand. But LBP? It's just so much nicer looking than it really needs to be. A great game for PS3 owners who happen to like that style of game (which I do!) but how much better is it going to be than Castle Crashers?
If the answer is 'not really', then I dunno.. who cares?
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Everyone knows the Wii is just two GameCubes duct-taped together with a funky control scheme.
If the Wii is just a sped up gamecube with more memory and nothing else then it's vastly more powerful then the xbox. The only thing the gamecube lacked in comparison to the xbox was dedicated shaders and overall amount of ram (as well as storage space).
The processor, graphics processor, and ram in the gamecube where all faster (sometimes not by alot, like in the case of the graphics processor) and more efficent then what was in the xbox.
Shit the gamecubes cpu is even multi-threaded, a technology that sony and ms are now using in their cpus (along with multi-coring).
And to who ever claimed SSB:M has no physics. The game keeps track of momentum, traction, trajectory, and mass for every character, with an additional modifer for fall speed. It's not "realistic" physics by any means but their is a fair amount of physics simulation going on in that game, and SSB:B is likely to be more advanced there then SSB:M ever was.
Look at the PSP and the DS. Where horsepower is concerned, the PSP is lightyears beyond the DS. Where are all the big arguments about the graphical inferiority of the DS?
Come to think of it, DS games don't look as good as Gamecube games even! OLOL! I want my money back for the system and all of these games they made under the guise of 'fun'. I can't even see the individual blades of grass in New Super Mario Bros!
DS is doooooomed.
To be fair, people aren't trying to say the DS can run PSP games. Since the Wii was recently released and there isn't a very good library for it so far, it's become a "my dad can beat up your dad" competition. The Wii isn't spose to push graphics/physics/power, it's spose to be a new take on gameplay. Now that new and neat looking games for the PS3 are being shown off, it seems like alot of people here are trying to justify their purchase by saying the Wii can pull so and so off. People will be a lot happier if they stop trying to make the Wii into something it's not.
"Everyone who is capable of logical thought should be able to see why you shouldn't sell lifetime subscriptions to an MMO. Cell phone companies and drug dealers don't offer lifetime subscriptions either, guess why?" - Mugaaz
You mean like "Two gamecubes stuck together"?
Then again, I don't have a high def TV or anything, and never wanted my PS2 games to look any better than they did. It's good when stuff looks more detailed, but it certainly isn't a selling point for me.
If you bother to think about it in a non-literal sense, that's half of it.
"Everyone who is capable of logical thought should be able to see why you shouldn't sell lifetime subscriptions to an MMO. Cell phone companies and drug dealers don't offer lifetime subscriptions either, guess why?" - Mugaaz
Is it Wii owners trying to defend the Wii against PS3's awesome power?
Or PS3 owners trying to downplay the Wii's power because they're threatened by the innovation?
Just because you own one console and not another doesn't mean you have to somehow prove that you made the "right" choice.
I find myself saying this kind of thing far too frequently.
If you've read any post in this thread, I think you know the answer.
"Everyone who is capable of logical thought should be able to see why you shouldn't sell lifetime subscriptions to an MMO. Cell phone companies and drug dealers don't offer lifetime subscriptions either, guess why?" - Mugaaz
Exactly. Hopefully one day I'll be staring at all three consoles in my entertainment center. I will chuckle quietly to myself.
EDIT:
Trick question. The answer was 'both'.