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Munkus BeaverYou don't have to attend every argument you are invited to.Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPAregular
why do we tip waiters if the food is good and not the chef
you give the chef compliments
screw the compliments I want money
Waiter salaries are made up with the expectation of a certain amount of tippage.
And the chef is expected to get everything exactly the same every time.
The service has to interact with the customer and relay information and make sure they are happy.
I'd pay a lot more than 18 if a server could guarantee my happiness
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doesn't the employer have to make up the difference if the waitstaff don't make it to minimum wage based on salary + tips?
Yes
i thought so and this seems to be a point that a lot of people miss when discussing this topic
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Munkus BeaverYou don't have to attend every argument you are invited to.Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPAregular
if you tip too much do waitresses have duels in the back when they see you coming up the walkway
Marty: The future, it's where you're going? Doc: That's right, twenty five years into the future. I've always dreamed on seeing the future, looking beyond my years, seeing the progress of mankind. I'll also be able to see who wins the next twenty-five world series.
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JimothyNot in front of the foxhe's with the owlRegistered Userregular
Another thing about tipping:
The whole "they'll spit in your food if you don't!" thing.
I can't believe it's real. Friends and people who I assume know better will assure me that it is very real. But I can't imagine that anyone's mean enough to strangers to actually do that.
Like, I worked at a cafe right out of college for a few months. Manned the register, took orders, waited tables, cleaned up. And tips were very much appreciated! But I never once felt upset if someone didn't, or didn't tip much.
It's like how I swam in high school and college and guys would always joke about peeing in the pool or in the shower. And I always thought they were jokes because no one would ever do that, right? We are civilized people. But then people told me that that actually happens all the time and I actually saw a dude in the shower peeing through his suit. Couldn't believe what was happening because what the heck.
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Munkus BeaverYou don't have to attend every argument you are invited to.Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPAregular
if you tip too much do waitresses have duels in the back when they see you coming up the walkway
They will fight over known tipper yes.
nooo I just wanted everyone to be happy
Marty: The future, it's where you're going? Doc: That's right, twenty five years into the future. I've always dreamed on seeing the future, looking beyond my years, seeing the progress of mankind. I'll also be able to see who wins the next twenty-five world series.
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Ubikoh pete, that's later. maybe we'll be dead by thenRegistered Userregular
Munkus BeaverYou don't have to attend every argument you are invited to.Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPAregular
if you tip too much do waitresses have duels in the back when they see you coming up the walkway
They will fight over known tipper yes.
nooo I just wanted everyone to be happy
Don't some places pool the tips to avoid this problem?
I guess that also amortizes the deficit when a server is shitty though...
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Munkus BeaverYou don't have to attend every argument you are invited to.Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPAregular
The worst service I ever had ended with Khoo yelling at me
"IF YOU'RE NOT WILLING TO WALK AWAY THEN MAYBE YOU HAVE NO BUSINESS ORDERING PIZZA"
Humor can be dissected as a frog can, but dies in the process.
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ButtersA glass of some milksRegistered Userregular
doesn't the employer have to make up the difference if the waitstaff don't make it to minimum wage based on salary + tips?
Yes
i thought so and this seems to be a point that a lot of people miss when discussing this topic
Most expect to make a lot more than minimum wage.
Yeah if your tips are only getting you up to minimum wage income than something is seriously wrong. Either you're a terrible server or your workplace doesn't bring enough business.
something something tlb is no stranger to paying people to like him
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Ubikoh pete, that's later. maybe we'll be dead by thenRegistered Userregular
yeah i guess poor enforcement is a systemic problem too
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RentI'm always rightFuckin' deal with itRegistered Userregular
pooling tips is a terrible practice that should be abolished, unless it's pooling with the service staff that don't regularly get tips, like the seater/etc
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ceresWhen the last moon is cast over the last star of morningAnd the future has past without even a last desperate warningRegistered User, ModeratorMod Emeritus
you're not expected to tip in China, but there are places in Shanghai and Beijing where they actually refuse to take a tip even if you offer it to them in cash and in person
(my mum and I both tried it on two separate occasions and were turned down twice! we were AMAZED!)
so what we do instead as a family is pay compliments to the restaurant manager or owner if we received excellent service and make sure the person in question is recognized for that
it's nice when we go back to a restaurant to see that someone who received good feedback from us got a promotion
We now have a restaurant near us (a Wegmans Cafe, actually) that does not take tips at all; the staff won't even accept them, but they also make well over minimum wage. We had a waitress there one night that was so good and so patient with me (I am the WORST person to take a food order from) and actually really helpful about the menu that we really wanted to do something. It was the best service we've had in a really long time. So we went to the manager, showed our receipt so he could get her name, and told him how wonderful the service was.
I have to say, it was nice to be appreciative of a person's work in a way that didn't equal throwing money at her, and to give thought to the person in the shirt rather than tack a percentage onto the bill without consideration because it's just what you do.
And it seems like all is dying, and would leave the world to mourn
The whole "they'll spit in your food if you don't!" thing.
I can't believe it's real. Friends and people who I assume know better will assure me that it is very real. But I can't imagine that anyone's mean enough to strangers to actually do that.
Like, I worked at a cafe right out of college for a few months. Manned the register, took orders, waited tables, cleaned up. And tips were very much appreciated! But I never once felt upset if someone didn't, or didn't tip much.
It's like how I swam in high school and college and guys would always joke about peeing in the pool or in the shower. And I always thought they were jokes because no one would ever do that, right? We are civilized people. But then people told me that that actually happens all the time and I actually saw a dude in the shower peeing through his suit. Couldn't believe what was happening because what the heck.
Yeah, it happens all the time. I've read several news articles about places being shut down because of urine in the soup or people shitting in other foodstuffs. Spit is usually harder to detect but I've worked with people in fast food who did it. I never did but I'd come close several times because fuck working for the public.
if you tip too much do waitresses have duels in the back when they see you coming up the walkway
They will fight over known tipper yes.
nooo I just wanted everyone to be happy
Don't some places pool the tips to avoid this problem?
I guess that also amortizes the deficit when a server is shitty though...
My wife hates when they pool tips because she'll work her ass off and make $200 in tips and the other waitresses will fuck around and barely make $50 but at the end of the night she'll end up with only $100.
doesn't the employer have to make up the difference if the waitstaff don't make it to minimum wage based on salary + tips?
Yes
i thought so and this seems to be a point that a lot of people miss when discussing this topic
Most expect to make a lot more than minimum wage.
ya and minimum wage is a whole nother can of worms but it's not like waitstaff are making $2/hr if you don't tip
There's also "supposed to" and "actually happens"
Part of that is how certain states calculate the threshold for minimum wage. Some states average it out over a week, pay period, or month, so as long as you have some good days, the employer doesn't have to match federal minimum, and you still clock shifts where you made $13 for the entire day. But yeah, restaurants are also notorious for flouting labor laws.
Also, Georgia is one of the few states that still has some weird exemptions to the federal minimum wage, though I don't think tip wages are one of the exemptions.
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ComradebotLord of DinosaursHouston, TXRegistered Userregular
I was a server for a good while right after I graduated high school... so of course I tip. I know how much that job sucks and I know how dependent servers are on tips. There's absolutely nothing worse than having a slow day with only a table or two an hour, and then have one of those folks decide they don't need to leave a tip (despite the fact, that being the only table you had that hour, you gave them excellent service). Stiffing a server is only acceptable (in America) if the server did a particularly shitty job. But not tipping because you "don't believe in it" or some other nonsense is just a way of trying to convince yourself you're not the selfish, greedy dick you are. This applies to anyone who is aware that servers don't get paid minimum wage and rely on tips for their income. If a foreigner is legitimately ignorant on the matter, whatever, no biggie. Those Norwegian gentlemen left me $50, so clearly some over there are more than aware of the cultural difference (though I'm not sure if they really just loved my server skills or if they had no idea what size tip you're supposed to leave. Didn't get a chance to ask, but they were awesome guys.)
Also, not cool to go to a restaurant, order a single cup of coffee, and sit there reading the newspaper for a couple hours and then just leave 18% of your cup of coffee. At least throw down a couple bucks to make up for taking up a table people actually ordering food could've had.
Oh, and if the restaurant has rules regarding mandatory gratuity for large groups... don't bitch about it. If you're that worried about it, then your amateur company baseball team can split up and sit at different tables. I know a guy who once got sat with a group of fifty people who all wanted to sit together, he had to call over a pair of other servers to help him out... and not a single customer there left a penny for em' on the table. Its reasons like that why many restaurants have a rule regarding it.
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JimothyNot in front of the foxhe's with the owlRegistered Userregular
RentI'm always rightFuckin' deal with itRegistered Userregular
the point is, if you go out to eat in america and you don't tip, unless there's extremely extenuating circumstances like your server was a piece of shit or something...you're a fucking asshole
Munkus BeaverYou don't have to attend every argument you are invited to.Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPAregular
man if a waiter threw shit at me or my date you can bet there'd be something happening besides no tip
A police escort out of the restaurant?
for me or him?
i meant I'd find the manager or something.
I assumed there would be a knife fight
I.. I'm not sure why
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RentI'm always rightFuckin' deal with itRegistered Userregular
oh also the spitting in food shit, that's bullshit, believe me you can go to jail for shit like that, and restaurants get closed down by the health inspector for less
at worst waitstaff will fire your tickets all fucked up, which means you'll wait forever and every meal will be frozen or boiling hot and you'll get your entree before your salad etc
tips are a mystery to me because I've only ever been tipped for volunteer work
and then this guy on a plane gave me $100 for listening to him talk the entire time when I was accidentally bumped to first class
Marty: The future, it's where you're going? Doc: That's right, twenty five years into the future. I've always dreamed on seeing the future, looking beyond my years, seeing the progress of mankind. I'll also be able to see who wins the next twenty-five world series.
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ComradebotLord of DinosaursHouston, TXRegistered Userregular
restaurant where I worked all servers put a portion of their tips into a pool that was then divided up amongst the back of house staff depending on how many hours they had worked during that given pay period
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I'd pay a lot more than 18 if a server could guarantee my happiness
Doc: That's right, twenty five years into the future. I've always dreamed on seeing the future, looking beyond my years, seeing the progress of mankind. I'll also be able to see who wins the next twenty-five world series.
i thought so and this seems to be a point that a lot of people miss when discussing this topic
Most expect to make a lot more than minimum wage.
Doc: That's right, twenty five years into the future. I've always dreamed on seeing the future, looking beyond my years, seeing the progress of mankind. I'll also be able to see who wins the next twenty-five world series.
The whole "they'll spit in your food if you don't!" thing.
I can't believe it's real. Friends and people who I assume know better will assure me that it is very real. But I can't imagine that anyone's mean enough to strangers to actually do that.
Like, I worked at a cafe right out of college for a few months. Manned the register, took orders, waited tables, cleaned up. And tips were very much appreciated! But I never once felt upset if someone didn't, or didn't tip much.
It's like how I swam in high school and college and guys would always joke about peeing in the pool or in the shower. And I always thought they were jokes because no one would ever do that, right? We are civilized people. But then people told me that that actually happens all the time and I actually saw a dude in the shower peeing through his suit. Couldn't believe what was happening because what the heck.
They will fight over known tipper yes.
also, outside of Michelin Star quality restaurants and even then only rarely, the chef doesn't interact with the customer in any meaningful way
nooo I just wanted everyone to be happy
Doc: That's right, twenty five years into the future. I've always dreamed on seeing the future, looking beyond my years, seeing the progress of mankind. I'll also be able to see who wins the next twenty-five world series.
ya and minimum wage is a whole nother can of worms but it's not like waitstaff are making $2/hr if you don't tip
didn't matter if i was in one of emeril's restaurants or the hole in the wall (that most people know about) with the best burgers ever
they just exude optimism and gaiety
Because dealing with the public sucks
And some people are dicks about their food
for me or him?
i meant I'd find the manager or something.
It is generally based on my mood. and how much money i have on me at the time.
sure you could complain, but then youre risking your job, and...guess what? waitstaff has a shitload of turnover. so yeah
anyways generally speaking yes, waitstaff make more than minimum wage
Don't some places pool the tips to avoid this problem?
I guess that also amortizes the deficit when a server is shitty though...
"IF YOU'RE NOT WILLING TO WALK AWAY THEN MAYBE YOU HAVE NO BUSINESS ORDERING PIZZA"
Yeah if your tips are only getting you up to minimum wage income than something is seriously wrong. Either you're a terrible server or your workplace doesn't bring enough business.
We now have a restaurant near us (a Wegmans Cafe, actually) that does not take tips at all; the staff won't even accept them, but they also make well over minimum wage. We had a waitress there one night that was so good and so patient with me (I am the WORST person to take a food order from) and actually really helpful about the menu that we really wanted to do something. It was the best service we've had in a really long time. So we went to the manager, showed our receipt so he could get her name, and told him how wonderful the service was.
I have to say, it was nice to be appreciative of a person's work in a way that didn't equal throwing money at her, and to give thought to the person in the shirt rather than tack a percentage onto the bill without consideration because it's just what you do.
Yeah, it happens all the time. I've read several news articles about places being shut down because of urine in the soup or people shitting in other foodstuffs. Spit is usually harder to detect but I've worked with people in fast food who did it. I never did but I'd come close several times because fuck working for the public.
My wife hates when they pool tips because she'll work her ass off and make $200 in tips and the other waitresses will fuck around and barely make $50 but at the end of the night she'll end up with only $100.
Part of that is how certain states calculate the threshold for minimum wage. Some states average it out over a week, pay period, or month, so as long as you have some good days, the employer doesn't have to match federal minimum, and you still clock shifts where you made $13 for the entire day. But yeah, restaurants are also notorious for flouting labor laws.
Also, Georgia is one of the few states that still has some weird exemptions to the federal minimum wage, though I don't think tip wages are one of the exemptions.
Also, not cool to go to a restaurant, order a single cup of coffee, and sit there reading the newspaper for a couple hours and then just leave 18% of your cup of coffee. At least throw down a couple bucks to make up for taking up a table people actually ordering food could've had.
Oh, and if the restaurant has rules regarding mandatory gratuity for large groups... don't bitch about it. If you're that worried about it, then your amateur company baseball team can split up and sit at different tables. I know a guy who once got sat with a group of fifty people who all wanted to sit together, he had to call over a pair of other servers to help him out... and not a single customer there left a penny for em' on the table. Its reasons like that why many restaurants have a rule regarding it.
We did this. Split everything evenly when we closed up.
Satans..... hints.....
And then you be the guy that shits in the food.
YOU GET THE TIPS ANYWAY
I assumed there would be a knife fight
I.. I'm not sure why
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at worst waitstaff will fire your tickets all fucked up, which means you'll wait forever and every meal will be frozen or boiling hot and you'll get your entree before your salad etc
and then this guy on a plane gave me $100 for listening to him talk the entire time when I was accidentally bumped to first class
Doc: That's right, twenty five years into the future. I've always dreamed on seeing the future, looking beyond my years, seeing the progress of mankind. I'll also be able to see who wins the next twenty-five world series.
A lot of places will give chefs/cooks (along with hosts/hostesses) a small cut of the tips from the night.
Yeah when i was a server we gave the seater a cut, and that was legit since she was super cool and if you treated her well you got the good regulars
plus she had an amazingly shitty job sometimes.
never had to give a cut to the chefs though
I'm sure it's somewhere more upscale, like Cracker Barrel. They're so uppity there.