The Newsroom - Better Than Rotten Turkey Meat

Goose!

FYI the Eric Neal character is voiced by Jesse Eisenberg (Mark Zuckerberg in The Social Network)

Scudo

Artreus wrote: »

Veretas wrote: »

Of course everyone on facebook is posting this vid right now: http://youtu.be/YI7Oq8y-jXA

Yell at them

because I was talking about it with Fire truck and I agree with him that the second half of it is infuriating bullshit

yeah, and then he does the "back in the day, America sure was great" speil, while obviously ignoring a whole multitude of problems like segregation, etc

sure, it could be a flaw of his character, but when you give a character such an eloquent monologue it kind of seems like the writer is using him as a mouthpiece, but I haven't seen the show yet to know if there are any characters to call him on his shit. but man Sorkin can write a fucking monologue, jesus.

EDIT: I see you've got that covered

Centipede Damascus

I love Sports Night, but I hated Studio 60

didn't really watch the West Wing

not sure how I feel about this show based on the pilot

but this video is pretty funny

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S78RzZr3IwI

DJ Eebs

Goose! wrote: »

FYI the Eric Neal character is voiced by Jesse Eisenberg (Mark Zuckerberg in The Social Network)

yeah, his voice is pretty distinct

also

I just watched this, and it has the studio 60 problem where the main character is AN INCREDIBLY IMPORTANT MAN only this time instead of that title being hilariously applied to a sketch comedy writer (whose most controversial sketch is called "CRAZY CHRISTIAN") it's applied to an incredible jackass

also that entire opening sequence, with him just... sitting in on a debate for some reason? and then his ex-girlfriend is there flashing cue cards at him like she's in that "we've got to do something" video from forgetting sarah marshall and then everyone sits there while he rants and gives an impassioned speech and then berates some girl and says she's part of the worst generation ever based on...fuck, I dunno, but back in MY day things were great!...

that opening sequence might be the most heavy handed pile of crap I've sat through

the rest of the show was better, but I don't have a lot of faith that there won't be more impassioned speeches about what's wrong with america (and these kids today)

Centipede Damascus

it's kind of amazing how the end of the pilot is basically Sorkin writing a wish-fulfillment story about how he thinks the media should have broken the Deepwater Horizon story

DJ Eebs

yeah, pretty sure there's gonna be more of that

Goose!

Man, Sorkin is going to run out of types of television to turn into melodrama. Sports, sketch comedy, and news are all off the table. I expect next he'll start work on how a children's show gets made.

Vann Diras

man social network is one of my favorite movies

i am really this is apparently super dumb

team up with fincher again sorkin, that's the winning combo

YoSoyTheWalrus

Centipede Damascus wrote: »

it's kind of amazing how the end of the pilot is basically Sorkin writing a wish-fulfillment story about how he thinks the media should have broken the Deepwater Horizon story

Yeah this was my only problem with the pilot

All that stuff they figured out in like four hours took months to come out in reality. It could have been just as dramatic without the super-genius-reporter-savant thing

I don't know why everyone is taking the opening monologue so personally, I mean you hear that kind of speech all the time from cranky semi-relevant old men. The character obviously sucks as a person, that's his whole thing; saying shitty stuff in an eloquent way.

Pony

i thought the pilot was good but i like sorkin's stuff

and it was sorkin as shit

Fire Truck

YoSoyTheWalrus wrote: »

Centipede Damascus wrote: »

it's kind of amazing how the end of the pilot is basically Sorkin writing a wish-fulfillment story about how he thinks the media should have broken the Deepwater Horizon story

Yeah this was my only problem with the pilot

All that stuff they figured out in like four hours took months to come out in reality. It could have been just as dramatic without the super-genius-reporter-savant thing

I don't know why everyone is taking the opening monologue so personally, I mean you hear that kind of speech all the time from cranky semi-relevant old men. The character obviously sucks as a person, that's his whole thing; saying shitty stuff in an eloquent way.

interestingly, this kind of speech doesn't get less infuriating the more exposure it gets.

YoSoyTheWalrus

Not saying it does, just that it's more "old man-esque" as opposed to Sorkin-esque. I took it more as a piece of blatant characterization than Sorkin espousing his personal views.

override367

Well the last part of the speech applies every bit as much to boomers, more so in fact since they're the ones running everything. He's into the trope that millennials are a terrible generation that I hate, but it certainly fits the character.

I don't understand why everyone hates this show so much. Maybe it's because I don't have PHD in Sorkin's work or whatever, but I really liked it.

Sars_Boy

The Geebs That Is A Pony wrote: »

yeah, pretty sure there's gonna be more of that

get ready for literally the entire show

Sars_Boy

aaron sorkin: kind of an asshole!

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/arts/television/how-to-get-under-aaron-sorkins-skin-and-also-how-to-high-five-properly/article4363455/

exist

watched that speech clip just now

the girl specified in one sentence or less god dammit!

dbrock270

Veretas wrote: »

Of course everyone on facebook is posting this vid right now: http://youtu.be/YI7Oq8y-jXA

LOL a lot of that is nostalgic bullshit.

David_T

Pony wrote: »

it was sorkin as shit

Sold!

Legba

Sars_Boy wrote: »

aaron sorkin: kind of an asshole!

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/arts/television/how-to-get-under-aaron-sorkins-skin-and-also-how-to-high-five-properly/article4363455/

I love The West Wing and The Social Network, and I liked this first episode, but man this interview makes him look like a real douche.

DodgeBlan

that video combined with its emotional music is terrible as fuck

Langly

Characters saying something is not often the writers' point of view

More at eleven

DJ Eebs

Well in this case it seems to be .... the case

Langly

Just read that article hot damn

Burden of Proof

i'm bored, so it's time to read the YouTube comments!

Legba

Burden of Proof wrote: »

i'm bored, so it's time to read the YouTube comments!

Never be that bored. Here, read My Man Jeeves instead.

Solar

Sorkin comes off pretty badly in that article

seems like he is kind of a jerk

satansfingers

Langly wrote: »

Characters saying something is not often the writers' point of view

More at eleven

this is frequently true

but i suspect it is less often true with aaron sorkin shows

Centipede Damascus

"Listen up, internet girl! Have you ever read a newspaper??"

Langly

satansfingers wrote: »

Langly wrote: »

Characters saying something is not often the writers' point of view

More at eleven

this is frequently true

but i suspect it is less often true with aaron sorkin shows

No i completely retract that statement after reading that article.

Centipede Damascus

Remember when Aaron Sorkin tried to write a character that wasn't a version of himself and it ended up being a straw man version of his ex-girlfriend?

YoSoyTheWalrus

I haven't watched any of his TV shows beyond this one, but it seems to me that the Great Man theory, from what I've seen, is sort of ridiculous. Between this, A Few Good Men, and The Social Network, the "Great Man" is a dickhead who is frequently wrong. Maybe it only comes out in the shows. This one supposedly crashes and burns around Ep 3 or 4 so we'll see.

Muggins

Yeah I finished the first episode last night

I uh

Yeah it's bad

NeoToma

Centipede Damascus wrote: »

"Listen up, internet girl! Have you ever read a newspaper??"

Doesn't he hate the internet? I got that feeling from his The Social Network interviews
Also an artist kind of a jerk? I for one am shocked

Langly

YoSoyTheWalrus wrote: »

I haven't watched any of his TV shows beyond this one, but it seems to me that the Great Man theory, from what I've seen, is sort of ridiculous. Between this, A Few Good Men, and The Social Network, the "Great Man" is a dickhead who is frequently wrong. Maybe it only comes out in the shows. This one supposedly crashes and burns around Ep 3 or 4 so we'll see.

In the article he specifically agrees with everything the main character says.

dbrock270

I thought Sorkin just wrote about his liberal fantasies? Bartlet was basically the perfect liberal president.

dbrock270

Seriously that clip is fucking terrible. What kind of person thinks America is the greatest country in the world? And why are they all shocked when Daniels says that it's not? And I love how they pull out their cameras like they're recording something actually important.

zimfan

dbrock270 wrote: »

Seriously that clip is fucking terrible. What kind of person thinks America is the greatest county in the world? And why are they all shocked when Daniels says that it's not? And I love how they pull out their cameras like they're recording something actually important.

Greatest county in the world.

Shorty

dbrock270 wrote: »

Seriously that clip is fucking terrible. What kind of person thinks America is the greatest county in the world? And why are they all shocked when Daniels says that it's not? And I love how they pull out their cameras like they're recording something actually important.

ummmmm I'm pretty sure that most Americans think we are the best

because we're told as much constantly

Centipede Damascus

http://globalpublicsquare.blogs.cnn.com/2011/07/01/pew-americans-dont-see-u-s-as-greatest-nation-on-earth/

Despite the struggling economy and broad dissatisfaction with national conditions, the public has a positive view of the United States' global standing. But more think that the U.S. is one of the greatest countries in the world than say it stands above all other countries.

Slightly more than half (53%) say that the United States "is one of the greatest countries in the world, along with some others." Fewer (38%) say that the U.S. "stands above all other countries in the world." Just 8% think that "there are other countries that are better than the U.S."

Centipede Damascus

unless of course you watch Fox News

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/05/16/fox-news-poll-america-weaker-greatest-country-world-voters-say/

A large majority of American voters believe the United States is the best country in the world.

Overall, 84 percent of voters think the United States is the greatest country in the world, including 89 percent of Republicans, 84 percent of Democrats and 73 percent of independents.