because I was talking about it with Fire truck and I agree with him that the second half of it is infuriating bullshit
yeah, and then he does the "back in the day, America sure was great" speil, while obviously ignoring a whole multitude of problems like segregation, etc
sure, it could be a flaw of his character, but when you give a character such an eloquent monologue it kind of seems like the writer is using him as a mouthpiece, but I haven't seen the show yet to know if there are any characters to call him on his shit. but man Sorkin can write a fucking monologue, jesus.
FYI the Eric Neal character is voiced by Jesse Eisenberg (Mark Zuckerberg in The Social Network)
yeah, his voice is pretty distinct
also
I just watched this, and it has the studio 60 problem where the main character is AN INCREDIBLY IMPORTANT MAN only this time instead of that title being hilariously applied to a sketch comedy writer (whose most controversial sketch is called "CRAZY CHRISTIAN") it's applied to an incredible jackass
also that entire opening sequence, with him just... sitting in on a debate for some reason? and then his ex-girlfriend is there flashing cue cards at him like she's in that "we've got to do something" video from forgetting sarah marshall and then everyone sits there while he rants and gives an impassioned speech and then berates some girl and says she's part of the worst generation ever based on...fuck, I dunno, but back in MY day things were great!...
that opening sequence might be the most heavy handed pile of crap I've sat through
the rest of the show was better, but I don't have a lot of faith that there won't be more impassioned speeches about what's wrong with america (and these kids today)
it's kind of amazing how the end of the pilot is basically Sorkin writing a wish-fulfillment story about how he thinks the media should have broken the Deepwater Horizon story
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Man, Sorkin is going to run out of types of television to turn into melodrama. Sports, sketch comedy, and news are all off the table. I expect next he'll start work on how a children's show gets made.
it's kind of amazing how the end of the pilot is basically Sorkin writing a wish-fulfillment story about how he thinks the media should have broken the Deepwater Horizon story
Yeah this was my only problem with the pilot
All that stuff they figured out in like four hours took months to come out in reality. It could have been just as dramatic without the super-genius-reporter-savant thing
I don't know why everyone is taking the opening monologue so personally, I mean you hear that kind of speech all the time from cranky semi-relevant old men. The character obviously sucks as a person, that's his whole thing; saying shitty stuff in an eloquent way.
it's kind of amazing how the end of the pilot is basically Sorkin writing a wish-fulfillment story about how he thinks the media should have broken the Deepwater Horizon story
Yeah this was my only problem with the pilot
All that stuff they figured out in like four hours took months to come out in reality. It could have been just as dramatic without the super-genius-reporter-savant thing
I don't know why everyone is taking the opening monologue so personally, I mean you hear that kind of speech all the time from cranky semi-relevant old men. The character obviously sucks as a person, that's his whole thing; saying shitty stuff in an eloquent way.
interestingly, this kind of speech doesn't get less infuriating the more exposure it gets.
Not saying it does, just that it's more "old man-esque" as opposed to Sorkin-esque. I took it more as a piece of blatant characterization than Sorkin espousing his personal views.
Well the last part of the speech applies every bit as much to boomers, more so in fact since they're the ones running everything. He's into the trope that millennials are a terrible generation that I hate, but it certainly fits the character.
I don't understand why everyone hates this show so much. Maybe it's because I don't have PHD in Sorkin's work or whatever, but I really liked it.
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I haven't watched any of his TV shows beyond this one, but it seems to me that the Great Man theory, from what I've seen, is sort of ridiculous. Between this, A Few Good Men, and The Social Network, the "Great Man" is a dickhead who is frequently wrong. Maybe it only comes out in the shows. This one supposedly crashes and burns around Ep 3 or 4 so we'll see.
I haven't watched any of his TV shows beyond this one, but it seems to me that the Great Man theory, from what I've seen, is sort of ridiculous. Between this, A Few Good Men, and The Social Network, the "Great Man" is a dickhead who is frequently wrong. Maybe it only comes out in the shows. This one supposedly crashes and burns around Ep 3 or 4 so we'll see.
In the article he specifically agrees with everything the main character says.
Seriously that clip is fucking terrible. What kind of person thinks America is the greatest country in the world? And why are they all shocked when Daniels says that it's not? And I love how they pull out their cameras like they're recording something actually important.
Seriously that clip is fucking terrible. What kind of person thinks America is the greatest county in the world? And why are they all shocked when Daniels says that it's not? And I love how they pull out their cameras like they're recording something actually important.
Greatest county in the world.
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Seriously that clip is fucking terrible. What kind of person thinks America is the greatest county in the world? And why are they all shocked when Daniels says that it's not? And I love how they pull out their cameras like they're recording something actually important.
ummmmm I'm pretty sure that most Americans think we are the best
Despite the struggling economy and broad dissatisfaction with national conditions, the public has a positive view of the United States' global standing. But more think that the U.S. is one of the greatest countries in the world than say it stands above all other countries.
Slightly more than half (53%) say that the United States "is one of the greatest countries in the world, along with some others." Fewer (38%) say that the U.S. "stands above all other countries in the world." Just 8% think that "there are other countries that are better than the U.S."
A large majority of American voters believe the United States is the best country in the world.
Overall, 84 percent of voters think the United States is the greatest country in the world, including 89 percent of Republicans, 84 percent of Democrats and 73 percent of independents.
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yeah, and then he does the "back in the day, America sure was great" speil, while obviously ignoring a whole multitude of problems like segregation, etc
sure, it could be a flaw of his character, but when you give a character such an eloquent monologue it kind of seems like the writer is using him as a mouthpiece, but I haven't seen the show yet to know if there are any characters to call him on his shit. but man Sorkin can write a fucking monologue, jesus.
EDIT: I see you've got that covered
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didn't really watch the West Wing
not sure how I feel about this show based on the pilot
but this video is pretty funny
yeah, his voice is pretty distinct
also
I just watched this, and it has the studio 60 problem where the main character is AN INCREDIBLY IMPORTANT MAN only this time instead of that title being hilariously applied to a sketch comedy writer (whose most controversial sketch is called "CRAZY CHRISTIAN") it's applied to an incredible jackass
also that entire opening sequence, with him just... sitting in on a debate for some reason? and then his ex-girlfriend is there flashing cue cards at him like she's in that "we've got to do something" video from forgetting sarah marshall and then everyone sits there while he rants and gives an impassioned speech and then berates some girl and says she's part of the worst generation ever based on...fuck, I dunno, but back in MY day things were great!...
that opening sequence might be the most heavy handed pile of crap I've sat through
the rest of the show was better, but I don't have a lot of faith that there won't be more impassioned speeches about what's wrong with america (and these kids today)
i am really this is apparently super dumb
team up with fincher again sorkin, that's the winning combo
Yeah this was my only problem with the pilot
All that stuff they figured out in like four hours took months to come out in reality. It could have been just as dramatic without the super-genius-reporter-savant thing
I don't know why everyone is taking the opening monologue so personally, I mean you hear that kind of speech all the time from cranky semi-relevant old men. The character obviously sucks as a person, that's his whole thing; saying shitty stuff in an eloquent way.
and it was sorkin as shit
interestingly, this kind of speech doesn't get less infuriating the more exposure it gets.
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I don't understand why everyone hates this show so much. Maybe it's because I don't have PHD in Sorkin's work or whatever, but I really liked it.
get ready for literally the entire show
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/arts/television/how-to-get-under-aaron-sorkins-skin-and-also-how-to-high-five-properly/article4363455/
the girl specified in one sentence or less god dammit!
LOL a lot of that is nostalgic bullshit.
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I love The West Wing and The Social Network, and I liked this first episode, but man this interview makes him look like a real douche.
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seems like he is kind of a jerk
this is frequently true
but i suspect it is less often true with aaron sorkin shows
No i completely retract that statement after reading that article.
I uh
Yeah it's bad
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Doesn't he hate the internet? I got that feeling from his The Social Network interviews
Also an artist kind of a jerk? I for one am shocked
In the article he specifically agrees with everything the main character says.
Greatest county in the world.
ummmmm I'm pretty sure that most Americans think we are the best
because we're told as much constantly
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/05/16/fox-news-poll-america-weaker-greatest-country-world-voters-say/