It is a really poorly thought out and slap-shod setting, yes.
Though I don't really know how much you can expect of a setting derived from some dudes' DnD campaigns that includes a province called "Elsewhere".
I like "Elsewhere" better than [hackneyed fantasy name #5]
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but the map is like, a parody of the fantasy way of making maps.
I agree, I think in general I am sick of everyone making up their own dumb fantasy world that is the same as everyone else's.
I want to see more, like, historical fantasy and shit.
Like I would not be sad if no one ever made another thing with an elf in it.
this is so silly
if people actually made Tolkienesqe elves (instead of D&D elves) that would be pretty fresh and different. Or look at Jonathan Strange and Mr Norrel or Terry Pratchett evles.
how the hell would it be fresh and different if someone aped after tolkien
because almost no one actually has in time since his stuff was published
and the huge difference beetween someone making d&d-ish elves and tolkien-ish elves would be?
Elves in D&D always came off as fetishized, powerful and too perfect.
tolkien's elves were kind of like that too
they were wankers
EDIT: LOTR elves far more than the hobbit/silmarillion elves
I already explained why I don't think that's the case. D&D elves are perpetually in their prime and have a lot of influence. Elves in LOTR are leaving the world, their time is over, they hardly even deal with the ring. They're not the same type of race at all.
"at all" is an overstatement. That's not really a huge difference; not when they're so extremely superficially similar.
at this point I don't give a shit how cool the twist on the not-elves is. Make them something completely not elves, for the love of god.
Well besides physical appearance how do you think they are similar? I don't think some similarities are going to ruin Tolkien elves. Humans aren't exactly unique in their every iteration.
they're called elves
is one thing
and they always fall into two generic camps: wood elves, who are like humans but better and more treehuggy, or high elves, who are like humans but better and especially in urban planning.
But I don't think the elves are portrayed as better except that they represent Tolkien's love of nature and its marginalization. Tolkien might favor the elves but within the context of the story the elves are washed up and they know it. They're not better.
of my fantasy media experience these days is games, neil gaiman (I am saving the last of the last short story collection I bought. Savouring it.) and game of thrones - which isn't really all that interesting as fantasy. But it doesn't have to be because of the reasons a certain mister to the second power said.
The President isn't just appointed? Or like what if his father was the President?
I don't get these threads.
The President rules through God's given right.
We see who has this via a large tournament, where we pit combatants on a small oil platform above a burning slick, with their choice of pre-sixteenth century weapon.
I think part of the issue is Fantasy has turned very much into the romance genre of nerds. Formulaic with a few authors who produce the same thing over and over. This isn't bad, it drives sales and makes it easy for people to get into with little background info.
But I think fantasy is much like sci-fi, it is at its best exploring the human experience. Has anyone else read Wraethu by Storm Constantine? Because I think is a unique bit of fantasy that much of [chat] would enjoy. It is just such a wonderful piece of creative writing.
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All that said, I do love to nerd the fuck out over magic systems. I created a language-based one (LeGuin inspired, duh) that's entirely based on the complexities in philosophy of language! So, you know.
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It is a really poorly thought out and slap-shod setting, yes.
Though I don't really know how much you can expect of a setting derived from some dudes' DnD campaigns that includes a province called "Elsewhere".
I like "Elsewhere" better than [hackneyed fantasy name #5]
has character
but the map is like, a parody of the fantasy way of making maps.
I agree, I think in general I am sick of everyone making up their own dumb fantasy world that is the same as everyone else's.
I want to see more, like, historical fantasy and shit.
Like I would not be sad if no one ever made another thing with an elf in it.
this is so silly
if people actually made Tolkienesqe elves (instead of D&D elves) that would be pretty fresh and different. Or look at Jonathan Strange and Mr Norrel or Terry Pratchett evles.
how the hell would it be fresh and different if someone aped after tolkien
because almost no one actually has in time since his stuff was published
and the huge difference beetween someone making d&d-ish elves and tolkien-ish elves would be?
Elves in D&D always came off as fetishized, powerful and too perfect.
tolkien's elves were kind of like that too
they were wankers
EDIT: LOTR elves far more than the hobbit/silmarillion elves
I already explained why I don't think that's the case. D&D elves are perpetually in their prime and have a lot of influence. Elves in LOTR are leaving the world, their time is over, they hardly even deal with the ring. They're not the same type of race at all.
"at all" is an overstatement. That's not really a huge difference; not when they're so extremely superficially similar.
at this point I don't give a shit how cool the twist on the not-elves is. Make them something completely not elves, for the love of god.
Well besides physical appearance how do you think they are similar? I don't think some similarities are going to ruin Tolkien elves. Humans aren't exactly unique in their every iteration.
they're called elves
is one thing
and they always fall into two generic camps: wood elves, who are like humans but better and more treehuggy, or high elves, who are like humans but better and especially in urban planning.
But I don't think the elves are portrayed as better except that they represent Tolkien's love of nature and its marginalization. Tolkien might favor the elves but within the context of the story the elves are washed up and they know it. They're not better.
man they are better
legolas can walk on top of newly fallen snow where everyone else has to wade with it up to their chests, he can see like a thousand times better than everyone else, everything they make is prettier and magical and shit.
which is cool for tolkien, because all that kind of has a larger point in context - the elves represent everything that's going away.
but repeated ad nauseam in shitty fantasy settings it is not as good
which is why fuck elves
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It is a really poorly thought out and slap-shod setting, yes.
Though I don't really know how much you can expect of a setting derived from some dudes' DnD campaigns that includes a province called "Elsewhere".
I like "Elsewhere" better than [hackneyed fantasy name #5]
has character
but the map is like, a parody of the fantasy way of making maps.
I agree, I think in general I am sick of everyone making up their own dumb fantasy world that is the same as everyone else's.
I want to see more, like, historical fantasy and shit.
Like I would not be sad if no one ever made another thing with an elf in it.
this is so silly
if people actually made Tolkienesqe elves (instead of D&D elves) that would be pretty fresh and different. Or look at Jonathan Strange and Mr Norrel or Terry Pratchett evles.
how the hell would it be fresh and different if someone aped after tolkien
because almost no one actually has in time since his stuff was published
and the huge difference beetween someone making d&d-ish elves and tolkien-ish elves would be?
Elves in D&D always came off as fetishized, powerful and too perfect.
tolkien's elves were kind of like that too
they were wankers
EDIT: LOTR elves far more than the hobbit/silmarillion elves
I already explained why I don't think that's the case. D&D elves are perpetually in their prime and have a lot of influence. Elves in LOTR are leaving the world, their time is over, they hardly even deal with the ring. They're not the same type of race at all.
"at all" is an overstatement. That's not really a huge difference; not when they're so extremely superficially similar.
at this point I don't give a shit how cool the twist on the not-elves is. Make them something completely not elves, for the love of god.
Well besides physical appearance how do you think they are similar? I don't think some similarities are going to ruin Tolkien elves. Humans aren't exactly unique in their every iteration.
they're called elves
is one thing
and they always fall into two generic camps: wood elves, who are like humans but better and more treehuggy, or high elves, who are like humans but better and especially in urban planning.
But I don't think the elves are portrayed as better except that they represent Tolkien's love of nature and its marginalization. Tolkien might favor the elves but within the context of the story the elves are washed up and they know it. They're not better.
man they are better
legolas can walk on top of newly fallen snow where everyone else has to wade with it up to their chests, he can see like a thousand times better than everyone else, everything they make is prettier and magical and shit.
which is cool for tolkien, because all that kind of has a larger point in context - the elves represent everything that's going away.
but repeated ad nauseam in shitty fantasy settings it is not as good
which is why fuck elves
Well the original point was to use elves the same way Tolkien did. It'll get boring after awhile but it will start out as fresh because elves are not popularly portrayed as Tolkien portrayed them.
You guys talking about fantasy should check out Glenn Cook's Instrumentalities of the Night books. The setting is basically crusades-era Europe except sometimes the Pope is a wizard.
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You guys a bout fantasy should check out Glenn Cook's Instrumentalities of the Night books. The setting is basically crusades-era Europe except sometimes the Pope is a wizard.
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But I don't think the elves are portrayed as better except that they represent Tolkien's love of nature and its marginalization. Tolkien might favor the elves but within the context of the story the elves are washed up and they know it. They're not better.
I don't get these threads.
no, yeah
thats how it works
mostly hereditary with some hiccups while we wait for the next bush to come of age
well, all
of my fantasy media experience these days is games, neil gaiman (I am saving the last of the last short story collection I bought. Savouring it.) and game of thrones - which isn't really all that interesting as fantasy. But it doesn't have to be because of the reasons a certain mister to the second power said.
The Dothraki won't follow someone just because his father was Khal
or, wait. what're we talking about again?
The President rules through God's given right.
We see who has this via a large tournament, where we pit combatants on a small oil platform above a burning slick, with their choice of pre-sixteenth century weapon.
this is the problem
magic shouldn't be a system
The RPG made from it, however, is completely
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Not really. It's super unreliable and doesn't "just work".
man they are better
legolas can walk on top of newly fallen snow where everyone else has to wade with it up to their chests, he can see like a thousand times better than everyone else, everything they make is prettier and magical and shit.
which is cool for tolkien, because all that kind of has a larger point in context - the elves represent everything that's going away.
but repeated ad nauseam in shitty fantasy settings it is not as good
which is why fuck elves
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Well the original point was to use elves the same way Tolkien did. It'll get boring after awhile but it will start out as fresh because elves are not popularly portrayed as Tolkien portrayed them.
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