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  • InfidelInfidel Heretic Registered User regular
    Thanks everyone who checked out the stream tonight! I'm still working on some of the audio issues for which I apologize.

    Thanks to Varega again for co-casting with me, and for those who missed it here are the three games we did tonight with some of our fellow PA players"

    Game 1
    Game 2
    Game 3

    Enjoy! And as before any criticism is appreciated.

    Ughh, third game was a heartbreaker. Gonna watch it tomorrow to figure out what I did wrong. I think I could have beat that Yi if I didn't come into game 4 levels behind.

    Also, Game 2 shows why Morgana is still super strong. Her roaming power is stupid. Farm Farm gank countergank. Push roam farm farm farm

    I had nothing to shut down Yi, we had to get the CC lined up right.

    You being disconnected definitely made laning phase a gimme for him but it wasn't that that let him trounce us. We blew CC on the wrong targets often enough to let him win I think.

    Good games though!

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  • InfidelInfidel Heretic Registered User regular
    Also yes Mini, there was so much anti-teamwork in game 3 and bitching. Even I was bitching at people.

    I warned you I was drinking! :D

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  • CyrenicCyrenic Registered User regular
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    We were down to 8 points and the enemy team was throwing up "gg" when we came back and won. I was able to finish my item build just as we won.

  • MiniwolfMiniwolf Probably somewhere sniffing somethingRegistered User regular
    edited December 2012
    Infidel wrote: »
    Also yes Mini, there was so much anti-teamwork in game 3 and bitching. Even I was bitching at people.

    I warned you I was drinking! :D

    Yah and dont think i don't blame myself for that (the bad CC choice) . I was too high in the pick order to really make a difference but I would have picked sona or nami into that team had I been last pick. I honestly picked Taric because the lane dominance is so high on him, we can usually snowball out of lane like we did in game 2. I don't rate Nunu as a good support / I am just not enjoying him. I might think about nami-kog, because of that buff she gives on her w would be great with his w.

    I made some really really really stupid mistakes in game 3.

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  • JoshmviiJoshmvii Registered User regular
    Nunu is an amazing support when paired with Kog'maw, Caitlyn, or Vayne(less so with others IMO), but it also relies on your ADC being good. Like, they have to take advantage of the attack speed boost/debuff you're bringing, rather than expect you to put out a lot of damage for them.

  • Joe KJoe K Registered User regular
    Miniwolf wrote: »
    Infidel wrote: »
    Also yes Mini, there was so much anti-teamwork in game 3 and bitching. Even I was bitching at people.

    I warned you I was drinking! :D

    Yah and dont think i don't blame myself for that (the bad CC choice) . I was too high in the pick order to really make a difference but I would have picked sona or nami into that team had I been last pick. I honestly picked Taric because the lane dominance is so high on him, we can usually snowball out of lane like we did in game 2. I don't rate Nunu as a good support / I am just not enjoying him. I might think about nami-kog, because of that buff she gives on her w would be great with his w.

    I made some really really really stupid mistakes in game 3.

    I've actually been thinking of running Lulu/Nami bot. Seems like a really frustrating lane to go against. All slows all the time, 3 hard CC's, with Nami's ult have like a 2200 range. ASpd/Onhit Lulu, boosted by nami's steroid...

    sounds like fun, who wants to try it?

  • Albino BunnyAlbino Bunny Jackie Registered User regular
    Nunu makes me sad, because everytime he beats me I consider that were I TOO playing Nunu I could win the lane with the power of two non skill shot abilities and putting no effort in.

  • MiniwolfMiniwolf Probably somewhere sniffing somethingRegistered User regular
    edited December 2012
    Joshmvii wrote: »
    Nunu is an amazing support when paired with Kog'maw, Caitlyn, or Vayne(less so with others IMO), but it also relies on your ADC being good. Like, they have to take advantage of the attack speed boost/debuff you're bringing, rather than expect you to put out a lot of damage for them.

    The last of sustain / hard CC in lane just kinda make me not like him that much. I think he has a place at 1700+ elo. Inf was not on his game and missing a lot of CS which isn't normally like him. Granted the Graves on the other team was a farming monster. We just were unable to take advantage of the attack speed. I am not saying he isnt a good support, just that I don't enjoy his play style at all.


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  • InfidelInfidel Heretic Registered User regular
    First game was "I never play Kog and am super rusty, mind if I play Kog?" :D

    Unfortunately I will have to inflict it mostly on you guys since it is really hard to get ADC and of your choice reliably in a solo game.

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  • MiniwolfMiniwolf Probably somewhere sniffing somethingRegistered User regular
    Infidel wrote: »
    First game was "I never play Kog and am super rusty, mind if I play Kog?" :D

    Unfortunately I will have to inflict it mostly on you guys since it is really hard to get ADC and of your choice reliably in a solo game.

    That is fine dude, don't worry about it. I am not the king of CS either. I was overly harsh on you in lane as well.

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  • JoshmviiJoshmvii Registered User regular
    Nunu makes me sad, because everytime he beats me I consider that were I TOO playing Nunu I could win the lane with the power of two non skill shot abilities and putting no effort in.

    Let's go ahead and be fair and say that Nunu is about as hard to play as Taric, Soraka, or Sona. None of them require much finesse to play. I can understand if you like the Lulu/Nami style of support where you're landing skillshots, but if you're supporting a carry with brutal on hit abilities, there's nothing wrong with picking the support that maximizes that.

    Also, there's a lot more to playing league of legends than hitting skillshots. If you think having no skillshots auto makes a champ easy to play and win with, go ahead and just pick Ryze every game and see how many times you dominate/get dominated.

  • InfidelInfidel Heretic Registered User regular
    Miniwolf wrote: »
    Infidel wrote: »
    First game was "I never play Kog and am super rusty, mind if I play Kog?" :D

    Unfortunately I will have to inflict it mostly on you guys since it is really hard to get ADC and of your choice reliably in a solo game.

    That is fine dude, don't worry about it. I am not the king of CS either. I was overly harsh on you in lane as well.

    I don't mind when you get upset when I am sucking it up for ADC.

    Support is pretty frustrating in that situation.

    But at least you know I don't always suck at ADC! :P

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  • KayKay What we need... Is a little bit of PANIC.Registered User regular
    Ryze with farm is a tankydeeps AP caster who can combo people down hard and fast.

    Ryze without farm is meh.

    So many people can just deny Ryze farm, or at very least, push the lane down his throat and roam. Thing is, I found that with the right masteries and runes, I could pull the minion wave just out of range of my tower and tank them effectively, last hitting without worrying about the tower helping me out, so that I froze the lane in a good place. Problem with that, was the roamer soon realised that this meant if they hung around and nuked me while I was taking minion aggro, I had to just base or die.

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  • Albino BunnyAlbino Bunny Jackie Registered User regular
    Joshmvii wrote: »
    Nunu makes me sad, because everytime he beats me I consider that were I TOO playing Nunu I could win the lane with the power of two non skill shot abilities and putting no effort in.

    Let's go ahead and be fair and say that Nunu is about as hard to play as Taric, Soraka, or Sona. None of them require much finesse to play. I can understand if you like the Lulu/Nami style of support where you're landing skillshots, but if you're supporting a carry with brutal on hit abilities, there's nothing wrong with picking the support that maximizes that.

    Also, there's a lot more to playing league of legends than hitting skillshots. If you think having no skillshots auto makes a champ easy to play and win with, go ahead and just pick Ryze every game and see how many times you dominate/get dominated.

    No my specific reason I consider Nunu dull is because of how binary he can be to play. If your trading you blood boil carry, snowball enemy carry and it's pretty brainless especially with his passive making mana regen easier.

    I actually like Soraka and Sona because of mana management or the issue of pushing the lane when you try to harrass, I just find nunu dull because he asks alot of the carry but not himself, which isn't what I look for in a support.

    I even play Nunu when I am laning with a Kog or Vayne because it's so strong, but it just feels simplistic and dull.

  • MomoriMomori Registered User regular
    Gonna play Muramana Syndra tonight will post results.

    Also Delph always has the coolest desktops I don't even know why you would be mad?

  • Albino BunnyAlbino Bunny Jackie Registered User regular
    Azkorai wrote: »
    Gonna play Muramana Syndra tonight will post results.

    Also Delph always has the coolest desktops I don't even know why you would be mad?

    Because some people get their manliness threatened by Ponies.

    Obviously they've never met Hecarim.

  • RiusRius Globex CEO Nobody ever says ItalyRegistered User regular
    Soraka needs a reworked Q that only hits a single enemy target for increased damage if it's directly targeted. It can still hit all nearby targets for normal damage if it's cast otherwise. And maybe hitting a single target with Q takes 0.5 sec off her W cooldown?

    I really like her but I can't imagine playing her bottom lane anymore.

  • SampsenSampsen Aggressive Berserker Registered User regular
    Hecarim doesn't fit into the definition of 'pony', no matter how much you stretch the definition. He's a Centaur, and a powerful one.

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  • Albino BunnyAlbino Bunny Jackie Registered User regular
    Rius wrote: »
    Soraka needs a reworked Q that only hits a single enemy target for increased damage if it's directly targeted. It can still hit all nearby targets for normal damage if it's cast otherwise. And maybe hitting a single target with Q takes 0.5 sec off her W cooldown?

    I really like her but I can't imagine playing her bottom lane anymore.

    I've always said a way to make her fun would be to make the Q worth leveling as a damage source. That way you can play her like a more over time Taric with a armour heal, a CC and a damage source. Making it so the Q just does an AOE centered on cast location and buffing it's damage would probably be a really strong contender for making that happen (and would make Sona cry so hard) and would allow for some decent counter play because that way standing in your own minions would force Soraka to push the lane with AOEs which is for the most part a sin in botlane.

  • BurnageBurnage Registered User regular
    You know, I really need to try support Nid again now that her model remake's almost here. The support item changes are probably going to have done good things for her, and the AS steroid on her heal is a lot more valuable now that attack speed has been made more difficult to obtain.

  • Albino BunnyAlbino Bunny Jackie Registered User regular
    Burnage wrote: »
    You know, I really need to try support Nid again now that her model remake's almost here. The support item changes are probably going to have done good things for her, and the AS steroid on her heal is a lot more valuable now that attack speed has been made more difficult to obtain.

    I faced a Nid/Ez lane last night. It rocked us pretty hard with Q cross fire being hard to dodge. I think it might be the same as ever where support wise she has poke, traps and the ability to finish kills easily in skirmishes.

    However the fact that things like banner of command, twin shadows and all those other AP granting support items are nice for her.

  • RiusRius Globex CEO Nobody ever says ItalyRegistered User regular
    Rius wrote: »
    Soraka needs a reworked Q that only hits a single enemy target for increased damage if it's directly targeted. It can still hit all nearby targets for normal damage if it's cast otherwise. And maybe hitting a single target with Q takes 0.5 sec off her W cooldown?

    I really like her but I can't imagine playing her bottom lane anymore.

    I've always said a way to make her fun would be to make the Q worth leveling as a damage source. That way you can play her like a more over time Taric with a armour heal, a CC and a damage source. Making it so the Q just does an AOE centered on cast location and buffing it's damage would probably be a really strong contender for making that happen (and would make Sona cry so hard) and would allow for some decent counter play because that way standing in your own minions would force Soraka to push the lane with AOEs which is for the most part a sin in botlane.

    I like this idea too!

  • ChaosHatChaosHat Hop, hop, hop, HA! Trick of the lightRegistered User regular
    I keep telling the people in ranked that I'm terrible at laning and they should be prepared to have their assholes handed to them. They keep yelling at me when I lose my lane.

    I think they think it's a tactic to have them let me jungle but it isn't. It's a disclaimer. You can make me do this. I will do it. We will lose.

  • SampsenSampsen Aggressive Berserker Registered User regular
    edited December 2012
    I think you are being completely fair with your explanation of things and they shouldn't get upset. I ask for 3 different roles and explain that I am really good at one, good at another, and okay at a third. You don't want me doing the other two. I've had no problems with people raging if I don't get one of the 3 roles.

    Edit - Also, this is just a game people, and there is no money on the line at 1400 elo, I promise. Just move on to the next game, don't abuse Lux cause she's bad.

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  • MomoriMomori Registered User regular
    I'm very tempted to try a Spirit of the Elder Lizard, Alacrity Boots of Swiftness, Zephyr, Static Shiv, Cleaver, Hydra build on Hecarim.

    But I've never had a full build game on Hecarim, because if you're doing well the enemy team will likely surrender. I think the closest I gotten was like five items.

  • MomoriMomori Registered User regular
    Also I'm going to try and make it a habit to purchase a Miracle on any champ with mana at level 15 if I back with 1100 gold, because why not?

  • unintentionalunintentional smelly Registered User regular
    Azkorai wrote: »
    Also I'm going to try and make it a habit to purchase a Miracle on any champ with mana at level 15 if I back with 1100 gold, because why not?

    because it sets you back 1100 gold toward your end game build for stats you don't usually need

  • RiusRius Globex CEO Nobody ever says ItalyRegistered User regular
    Those who have played more Tiger Udyr jungle than I have; which, if any, of the new items are a 100% must have?

    I like Tiger for jungle but I still find myself building the same old items and I want something new/fun if possible.

  • MomoriMomori Registered User regular
    I just feel this overwhelming sense of regret every time I have six items without the miracle buff.

  • NaphtaliNaphtali Hazy + Flow SeaRegistered User regular
    I almost feel like Miracle is a trap, I just can't figure out the scenario where you're really coming out ahead with it

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  • unintentionalunintentional smelly Registered User regular
    if you are playing revive teleport karthus it's probably a good purchase

    if you are playing a support with heal/clairvoyance it is probably a good purchase but you have Other Problems in that situation

    other than that...???

  • EchoEcho ski-bap ba-dapModerator, Administrator admin
    I rarely take it on support Nunu, he'll just smack up to five stacks of his passive and eat a minion.

  • RiusRius Globex CEO Nobody ever says ItalyRegistered User regular
    I dunno, I might be convinced to play Heal/CV Leona with lots of points in move speed masteries. Just watch your positioning instead of relying on flash... can't recall any time I had to flash to engage as Leona.

    Though I'd probably just play Heal/Ignite Leona for maximum ballage.

  • BurnageBurnage Registered User regular
    Naphtali wrote: »
    I almost feel like Miracle is a trap, I just can't figure out the scenario where you're really coming out ahead with it

    It's decent if you picked up Philo in lane for the added sustain, have Heal or CV, and don't want to have Shurelya's in your final build

    That's a pretty specific sets of circumstances, though

  • unintentionalunintentional smelly Registered User regular
    i can't think of a situation where you wouldn't want a shurelya's in your final support build, it's so goddang strong

  • BurnageBurnage Registered User regular
    Sometimes you just gotta stack more black cleavers on your support

  • MiniwolfMiniwolf Probably somewhere sniffing somethingRegistered User regular
    Rius wrote: »
    I dunno, I might be convinced to play Heal/CV Leona with lots of points in move speed masteries. Just watch your positioning instead of relying on flash... can't recall any time I had to flash to engage as Leona.

    Though I'd probably just play Heal/Ignite Leona for maximum ballage.

    exhaust is just too powerful not to take in botlane, now with the changes to attack speed, 50% attackspeed debuff is insane.

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  • NaphtaliNaphtali Hazy + Flow SeaRegistered User regular
    i can't think of a situation where you wouldn't want a shurelya's in your final support build, it's so goddang strong

    this is my thinking too

    I recognize there are niches where you'll want miracle, but maybe only if you're really ahead. I don't see it as a main build every game item

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  • unintentionalunintentional smelly Registered User regular
    Burnage wrote: »
    Sometimes you just gotta stack more black cleavers on your support

    fair enough

  • Styrofoam SammichStyrofoam Sammich WANT. normal (not weird)Registered User regular
    Manatank KZ is the greatest thing ever. Muramana, Frozen Heart, FF, Banshee's Veil, Crucible and boots.

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