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The Trailer
FunkyWaltDogg
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It seems like there should be a link for the trailer in here.
http://www.gametrailers.com/gamepage.php?id=4564
EDIT: Better link
EDIT2: New trailer! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HAE8yVzSqE8
http://www.gametrailers.com/gamepage.php?id=4564
EDIT: Better link
EDIT2: New trailer! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HAE8yVzSqE8
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The bit about the 3D being a placeholder is reassuring.
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Which is very nice, btw. Makes me feel better about the game than the other version, since I can kind of imagine how the 3D will look once it has cell-shading and non-screwy faces, etc.
Thanks, added to the OP.
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It must be the sideburns.
Here There Be Robots - All ages Sci-Fi/Adventure comic
I can't wait for the game!!
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fixed with a plural? the one in the glass was completely win. UNLESS...the ff we all know and heart is somehow...tranformed to evil!
I got it right didn't I?!
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I wish I could get an animated destop or avatar of that...
If that's just a taste of the hilarity of this game, then we are in for a treat! I can't wait to see where Annarchy and Jesus fit in. Not to mention good old Frank. :-)
They might save some of the recurring characters for later episodes.
so i guess this game is rpg/adventure/horror/humour
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Maybe it's just from seeing gameplay early...
But let me back up. How many proud parents brag over their ugly children? (Violet Afleck anyone?) How many inventors proudly peddle useless inventions? (Just watch early morning infomercials) How many developers pour blood, sweat and tears into games that they just *know* will be uber-awesome only to have committments made and hands tied to the point that the game is finally released into the dollar bin along with Skitchin', Crash Bandicoot and Koolaid Man Adventures?
I love you guys like you're my weird, famous brothers, and I can't let you go down that road. You don't see it because this thing is your ugly baby. I can tell you as a 3D graphics instructor for 10 years that the problem with your character models isn't that they're "preliminary" or "missing cel shading" - they're bad. Bad in a way that clamato juice or genital herpes is bad. They are wrong. Poorly crafted. Shoddy. The facial expressions, the smeared textures, the posture, the stance, the design. Bad down the board.
Now ask yourself this... If this was "PVP : An Overuse of Big Words To Imply Hipness - Part 1" and your task was to review it... what would you have to say? Much like your Sony PS3 flip-flop, you find yourself in the precarious position of having to humble yourself a little. You find yourself trotting down the same road with the same conclusion that so many struggling developers and proud parents try despirately to deny : your baby is ugly.
Now don't get me wrong. I'm not some flameboy geek sitting in my parents' basement dealing out my worthless opinions on the internets to make myself feel big. I am still a HUGE fan, and it's for that reason that I beg you to hold your baby up to the light. Take it to Sears and get some portraits shot and show them off to people saying "Would you look at this baby picture I found at the bus station?" and see what they honestly say about it. As game reviewers yourself, you are being held to a higher standard, and surely you see that if these monumental wrinkles don't iron out, the smack you talk about games will forever be tarnished by gamers responding "If you could do better, why didn't you?"
And now the inevitable self-promotion... About a year ago, some friends and I started working on a Total Conversion of Jedi Academy called "Cardboard Tube Showdown". At that time we emailed you information on it and I believe you even posted it in the News section. When interest in the JA engine waned, so did our interest in finishing the game, however even we got it a little more right at an early stage of development.
A couple of kids messing around trying to make a Penny Arcade-based deathmatch game... And here's what we had.
I hope you can see the difference. And I hope your baby grows up to be as attractive as it's parents. Okay, maybe a little moreso.
That looks rendered. It certainly isn't an in-game shot, is it even outputted from the game engine?
(also, don't take my silence on the rest of your post to mean I am discounting your points about the 3d footage that was released. My only feeling on that is, if they say "don't judge based on the 3d you see in the trailer" then I have to take them at their word and not judge based on the 3d I see in the trailer. I'm sure there will be a new trailer released in time.)
Oh of course. It's my sincere hope that this is the case. And the "in-game" shots from the PA trailer of the PA crew moving in party formation do look better and slightly cell shaded, so my hope is still strong. That post wasn't me writing them off and saying "You'll fail miserably", but rather a warning shot over their bow in the hopes that they might pull the reins tighter and not slip off the rainslick precipice into the dollar bin of doom.
Oh and you're right. That is a production render. Go here to see in-game shots, which I assure you aren't far from the production render...
http://mods.moddb.com/1790/cardboard-tube-showdown/
But your eloquent response is correct in one way Xaquin... Atleast their baby is destined to be born. Ours, unfortunately, was merely an aborted fetus. But like they say : "Die young and leave a pretty corpse".
and please don't assume flaming is all I know how to do. It just felt needed (and it was barely a flame anyway).
I don't think Gabe and Tycho translate into 3 dimensions very well.
No you are absolutely right. The Penny Arcade characters are very nice and stylized and it's almost insulting to tart them up in 3D. None of the characters we did are 100% right, and I don't think that's completely possible, given the differences in the mediums.
http://www.penny-arcade.com/rspd_paint.jpg
Gabe has long skinny legs with a very high waist and thin very wide crotch. He also has longer arms to give him a sort of simian brawler look. These are not the proportions he’s got in the comic. I also draw him slightly different when he’s the CTS.
These models are based on versions of the characters that you guys just haven't seen much of. They adhere to the aesthetic I created for this game. Not the aesthetic of the comic strip.
With that said I’m not sold on the textures yet. Like I said we still need to get our cell shading working. Things may change.
I think the models you guys made for the MOD were awesome. You guys managed to reproduce the characters in 3D in a way that almost perfectly mirrored the way I was drawing them in the comic at the time. The fact is I change my style a lot and the way they look in the comic now doesn’t even match the way they looked three years ago.
I appreciate the advice. Honestly I agree that we aren’t there yet. But I won’t sign off on the game until I think it looks good. I certainly won’t put my name on anything that I don’t think meets or exceeds the level of quality you guys expect from PA.
Picking a period of PA art isn't going to be hard nor distinctly necessary, I think. I mean, Penny Arcade found its success not in art, not in being funny, but in both. It was fluent and had brevity, and made people laugh. The art complimented the joke, the joke complimented the art.
That's what PA fans will want to see in the game. Content complimenting its graphics, graphics complimenting its content.
The above is obviously an unprofessional opinion of mine, but there it is.
Looking forward to it. One might say, way forward.
People are saying how PA's jumped the shark and that the game is going to suck horribly.
and it's another easy way for me to support them for the hours i spend trolling around here while still getting something i want.
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really though, what an ugly baby.
I hope they plan to polish this thing, as the quality is soooo far below what I would expect from the minds of two of the more famous gamer nerds on the Interweb.
See, you quoted someone from the second page, so I can only assume you read the first page with Gabe's post. Your post makes very little sense because of this.
My impression of Rain-Slick Precipice has always been that it was going to be 2d. (Please note that I never really read into it very much.) That promo pic by Gabe was awesome, and I fully expected the game to follow suit. But that trailer... heck, I didn't even like the 2d part. Except the FF in the glass case. That was fantabulous.
Anyways, I think telling PA to look at their ugly baby under the light is kind of harsh, and even borders on insulting; but, at the same time, it's 100% true. The game looks like crap. Not "these graphics are placeholders" crap, but like, "this game will make a mockery of what it seeks to imitate" crap.
Quite frankly, if the game looked anything like Gabe's promo pic-- with, like, hand-paintedness and fullsome 2d, like in the good ol' days of adventure gaming-- I would be totally happy. But, clearly, that's not going to happen. You might even say that for such a game to be created nowadays isn't even feasible: people just don't make games that way anymore.
I have faith in Gabe and Tycho to do right by us, but no one sets out to make a crap game. It just happens.