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Considerably less deployment that a lot of people thought might happen in a nightmare scenario, but still significant. And with the recent testing of SCUDs by the regime's military forces this could potentially escalte.
I think this is relevant because, well, beyond because its a potential WMD deployment, but also because there has been some talk from the West that if Assad does use gas attacks then their is a good chance of intervention. Could just be bluffs and saber rattling but if gas attacks continue would we see an intervention from NATO?
Oh jeez, if this is confirmed then NATO intervention has to happen. It will be difficult though, because apparently there are Russians currently working with Assad's forces.
i was literally just watching this shit on al-jazeera because i can't sleep and clicking around the internet is my only recourse on nights like this
i really need to go to bed everything in the world is just starting to feel bleaker and bleaker
I have been here and you should probably force yourself to go to bed. Reading the news late at night usually turns me into a basketcase.
This news is really awful.
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Well things just got mighty shitty
Chances that they did it today because the west could be slower to react over the Christmas period? If its all legit, then things are about to get a lot worse over there before they get any better
Jesus. Why is russia making it hard for us to do what we do best as a country when its actually needed? Where was russia all the times we fucked with a country because money? But oh yeah, atrocities are happening and they block us.
e: that's odd, the only way I can get to the article in the OP is through that link--searching for it via keywords on Aljazeera or google news gets either no hits or hits from months ago
Jesus. Why is russia making it hard for us to do what we do best as a country when its actually needed? Where was russia all the times we fucked with a country because money? But oh yeah, atrocities are happening and they block us.
Jesus. Why is russia making it hard for us to do what we do best as a country when its actually needed? Where was russia all the times we fucked with a country because money? But oh yeah, atrocities are happening and they block us.
The US should not invade Syria.
I agree. I'm just grumpy because russia and china are being giant dicks about this whole thing.
Jesus. Why is russia making it hard for us to do what we do best as a country when its actually needed? Where was russia all the times we fucked with a country because money? But oh yeah, atrocities are happening and they block us.
The US should not invade Syria.
I agree. I'm just grumpy because russia and china are being giant dicks about this whole thing.
Syria is someplace that, in a vacuum, the US *should* invade. Its one place where we could unquestionably apply a moral high ground for the universal good of people who seemingly want to be "free".
In reality, the UN needs to write another strongly worded letter or something...
libya was good because stuff got done and also we did not basically whip out our dicks and show up the UN and operated mostly as a part of a coherent unit
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Maybe I'm dumb, strong possibility here, but isn't the use of chemical weapons basically verboten? Wouldn't the UN, and the US being a part of that collective, be forced to act?
I get not wanting the US to act alone but as part of NATO or the UN I'm all for ending atrocities.*
Anyway, I really hope this doesn't turn out to be true because I don't want to live in that world.
*Can't think of a better word than this at the moment.
Maybe I'm dumb, strong possibility here, but isn't the use of chemical weapons basically verboten? Wouldn't the UN, and the US being a part of that collective, be forced to act?
Chemical Weapons were used extensively in the 1980s Iran-Iraq War and nobody intervened. (except for some U.S. Naval actions to keep the Strait open)
and, you know, Saddam gassing the Kurds - which was a factor in justifying Gulf 1, but the U.N. and NATO only intervened after Iraq invaded Kuwait
didn't providing air support to the Libyan rebels work out okay?
at least better than doing nothing at all, or invading
Two potential problems compared to Libya:
1. Even now, I'm pretty sure the Syrian Air Force is still more formidable than Libya's ever was, as are their ground-based air defenses. Gaddafi's military couldn't handle Chad, while Syria's spent half a century gearing up to fight the IDF (in vain, mostly, but still). It's not enough to stop a concerted air campaign by Israel, let alone NATO, but enough to complicate it.
2. Assad might react to Western intervention by kicking around WMDs all over the place. NATO is more than capable of handling NBC warfare, but the rebels and civilians aren't. If the Turks or Israelis were to involve themselves directly, Syria might also target bordering population centers in an attempt to deter them.
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i really need to go to bed everything in the world is just starting to feel bleaker and bleaker
Syria is about 90% Muslim
but yeah i agree :c
Meanwhile, in Syria
Shit
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*except these evil motherfuckers
Christ
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Al-Jazeera doesn't tend to fuck around
Thats why I thought it might be worth posting
even though it hasn't been confirmed Al-Jazeera tends to be very good at this kind of thing
I'm leaning towards it's true
But it sure would be nice if it wasn't
I have been here and you should probably force yourself to go to bed. Reading the news late at night usually turns me into a basketcase.
This news is really awful.
"Sandra has a good solid anti-murderer vibe. My skin felt very secure and sufficiently attached to my body when I met her. Also my organs." HAIL SATAN
Chances that they did it today because the west could be slower to react over the Christmas period? If its all legit, then things are about to get a lot worse over there before they get any better
no but really this sucks
e: that's odd, the only way I can get to the article in the OP is through that link--searching for it via keywords on Aljazeera or google news gets either no hits or hits from months ago
The US should not invade Syria.
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Yeah, really hoping the reports of gas attacks turn out to not be true. Last thing the area needs.
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I agree. I'm just grumpy because russia and china are being giant dicks about this whole thing.
yes, well
Russia and China...
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In reality, the UN needs to write another strongly worded letter or something...
but no, you are wrong.
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at least better than doing nothing at all, or invading
hm.
I get not wanting the US to act alone but as part of NATO or the UN I'm all for ending atrocities.*
Anyway, I really hope this doesn't turn out to be true because I don't want to live in that world.
*Can't think of a better word than this at the moment.
Screaming protests and tacitly or not-so-tacitly threatening nuclear war, mostly
same thing we've always done to them
Chemical Weapons were used extensively in the 1980s Iran-Iraq War and nobody intervened. (except for some U.S. Naval actions to keep the Strait open)
and, you know, Saddam gassing the Kurds - which was a factor in justifying Gulf 1, but the U.N. and NATO only intervened after Iraq invaded Kuwait
Two potential problems compared to Libya:
1. Even now, I'm pretty sure the Syrian Air Force is still more formidable than Libya's ever was, as are their ground-based air defenses. Gaddafi's military couldn't handle Chad, while Syria's spent half a century gearing up to fight the IDF (in vain, mostly, but still). It's not enough to stop a concerted air campaign by Israel, let alone NATO, but enough to complicate it.
2. Assad might react to Western intervention by kicking around WMDs all over the place. NATO is more than capable of handling NBC warfare, but the rebels and civilians aren't. If the Turks or Israelis were to involve themselves directly, Syria might also target bordering population centers in an attempt to deter them.