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Pokemon Thread: 13 Days to Diamond/Pearl!

The Muffin ManThe Muffin Man Registered User regular
edited April 2007 in Games and Technology
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I am Professor Oak, and I am the authority on all that is Pokemon!

Are you a boy or a girl?

Now what is your name?

Now, let's introduce you to the games that started it all...


GENERATION I

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Originally released in Japan as Red and Green in 1996 with critical and consumer praise, the Pokemon games came to the US in 1998 with similar results. Players began the game as a brand-new trainer, sent to Professor Oak's house to start his adventure. Along the way, he meets his rival, and discovers his task: to catch all 151 pokemon, to get 8 badges and become champion of the Elite 4. As the game progresses, he meets and eventually beats Team Rocket, a generally evil organization bent on taking over the world. In the end, your trainer discovers that his rival became the champion, and after a battle with his high-leveled team, you overthrow him and become top dog.

Pokemon Yellow was released later on in 1998 (JP)/1999 (USA). This included tie-ins with the anime series, including starting off with a Pikachu, Jessie, James and Meowth from Team Rocket, and new sprites for each Pokemon and trainer.

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Pokemon Stadium was released for the Nintendo 64 console. With the included transfer pack, you were allowed to take the pokemon that you trained in your Red/Blue/Yellow game packs, and upload them to the system. There, you could play with your team (or with any random set) in full 3-D. It also included mini-games, the gyms and the Elite 4 from the GB games (also in tougher modes), and a GB emulator.


GENERATION II


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Often referred to as the Metallic generation, Gold and Silver brought on many changes to the game. Primarily, about 100 new pokemon were introduced, bringing the total to 251. Included in that 100 are new evolutions and pre-evolutions of the original 151. Other notable ones include Day and Night, in which different kinds of pokemon and events would be available at different time of the day; genders for almost all of the pokemon, which leads to breeding, another change, and the Special stat found in the original games is now split into Special Attack and Special Defense. Pokemon can now hold items, some of which can improve their stats or situation in battle. Alternate colored pokemon, also called shinies, are also in the game, albeit rare to find and catch. In Crystal, the player is also allowed to choose their gender in the beginning of the game. Also included in Crystal were animated sprites for each pokemon.


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Pokemon Stadium 2 was the Gold/Silver/Crystal to the original Pokemon Stadium. It allowed compatibility with the original games, as well as the new ones. In this game, you were allowed to face the gyms and the Elite 4 once again, or participate in Cups, which were tournaments of various styles. The mini-games also returned, as well as new ones added, bringing the total to 12.


GENERATION III


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The Advance generation (named because of the transfer to the Game Boy Advance console) provided the most changes to the game. First, even more pokemon are introduced (135 to be exact), bringing the total to 386. Abilities and Natures for each pokemon are introduced, affecting their gameplay and stats, respectively. Gone is the Team Rocket of old, replaced with teams Magma and Aqua (for Ruby and Sapphire). Another major addition is the double battle, in which you (and possibly a partner) face off against two pokemon at the same time. Because of this, certain old moves are changed to reflect this. Speaking of which, the total amount of moves is brought up to a whopping 352. Finally, is the addition of Pokemon Contests, in which you feed your pokemon PokeBlocks to raise a specific trait (such as Beauty or Coolness), and enter them in contests in which an audience votes on the contestants, and then each contestant appeals to the judges using their pokemon's moves.

Emerald added even more, bringing back animated sprites for the pokemon, as well as adding the Pokemon Battle Frontier, which was a group of facilities where you can do battle with other trainers in different modes, such as random battles with random pokemon, or a tournament-type system.

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Two Pokemon games were brought over to the Gamecube: Pokemon Colosseum and Pokemon XD: Gale of Darkness. In both, you follow another trainer which, instead of catching pokemon the typical way, you "snag" pokemon which turned dark. In order to turn them normal, you had to fight with them, or in the latter game's case, you take them to a transfer machine. These two games also included the features brought on by the previous Stadium games.

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Also included in this generation are remakes of the original Kanto games. These include the changes brought on by Ruby and Sapphire.


GENERATION IV


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The latest and greatest to come out of Japan, Pokemon Diamond and Pearl is what we are primarily talking about now. This game adds at least 107 pokemon, and includes DS wi-fi functionality, a new evil team (Team Galaxy), more abilities and natures, a revamped overworld, and a new version of contests, called Super Contests. The day/night system of G/S/C returns as well. There's also a way to transfer your pokemon from the third generation onto your D/P cart, and even though the kinks are being worked on, the premise is that your pokemon are released in a Poke Park, and you have to recatch them with Park (read: Master) Balls. New ways to evolve some pokemon are also added upon, such as combining two pokemon to make one. American release date is rumored to be for February/March 2007, even though Gamespot recently said November.

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Coming soon for the Nintendo Wii, is the new iteration of the Stadium series, Pokemon Battle Revolution. This also includes wi-fi connectivity, as well as what seems to be real-time battles, with physical contact and environment manipulation.


OTHER POKEMON GAMES

Other pokemon games include:

Game Boy games:

* Pokémon Card GB
* Pokémon Card GB 2
* Pokémon Puzzle Challenge
* Pokémon Pinball (GBC)
* Pokémon Pinball Ruby/Sapphire
* Pokémon Mysterious Dungeon Red

Nintendo 64 games:

* Pokémon Snap
* Pokémon Puzzle League
* Hey You, Pikachu!

GameCube games:

* Pokémon Channel
* Pokémon Box

Nintendo DS games:

* Pokémon Dash
* Pokémon Trozei
* Pokémon Mysterious Dungeon Blue
* Pokémon Ranger

Other games:

* Pokémon Pikachu
* Pokémon Pikachu 2

DIAMOND AND PEARL GENERAL INFORMATION
Version exclusive List - http://www.serebii.net/diamondpearl/exclusives.shtml
Diamond/Pearl Information (right sidebar) - http://www.serebii.net/diamondpearl/

Well, that's it!

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Hope to see you soon!

EDIT: Much thanks to Speakeasy for the OP!
(Removed quote tags to make it a cleaner OP)

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  • SpeakeasySpeakeasy Registered User regular
    edited March 2007
    Word.

    I should get started on making a new (or revised) OP when DP is out.

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  • KamiKami Registered User regular
    edited March 2007
    Hells yes new Pokemon thread!

    I'm so addicted to FireRed right now. I'm not as hardcore as to EV/IV train them, or even go as far to breed customized fighters, I'm all about getting a complete Pokedex.

    What can I say, I'm a lover, not a fighter!

    Diamond and Pearl seem so far away.

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  • Recoil42Recoil42 Registered User regular
    edited March 2007
    hehehehe... you said "DP"...

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  • Speed RacerSpeed Racer Scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratchRegistered User regular
    edited March 2007
    Diamond is going to be the first Pokemon game where I really get into training hard, since it'll be my first chance to play with a lot of people. I'll definitely do EVs and Nature training, but I don't know if I'm gonna do IVs. Don't you have to level a Pokemon up to 30 or so before you can properly calculate its IVs? That seems like a bit too much work for me.

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  • Retarded_TurkeyRetarded_Turkey Registered User regular
    edited March 2007
    What is EV/IV?

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  • Speed RacerSpeed Racer Scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratchRegistered User regular
    edited March 2007
    EVs are points that a Pokemon gains from battling other Pokemon, which influence its stats as it levels up.

    I don't really know how IVs work, but I know that they determine a Pokemon's max stats, along with its gender and a few other things.

    I'm too lazy to explain any more thoroughly.

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  • elevatureelevature Registered User regular
    edited March 2007
    I have LG and Emerald and want to trade between them. I have the following:

    GBA
    DS
    Cube w/ GB Player
    GBA/Cube link cable

    What's the cheapest method to make this work? I know I don't have everything I need right now, but I really don't want to have to buy a second GBA. Can I buy XD and trade through that? Or am I just screwed?

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  • HooraydiationHooraydiation Registered User regular
    edited March 2007
    Diamond is going to be the first Pokemon game where I really get into training hard, since it'll be my first chance to play with a lot of people. I'll definitely do EVs and Nature training, but I don't know if I'm gonna do IVs. Don't you have to level a Pokemon up to 30 or so before you can properly calculate its IVs? That seems like a bit too much work for me.

    Really, getting a monster to 30 is as easy as stockpiling your Rare Candies, saving before using them, and then resetting after you've found out its IVs.

    Not that I ever bothered with IVs and EVs myself. I just know that it isn't as difficult as it initially seems.

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  • Steel AngelSteel Angel Registered User regular
    edited March 2007
    What is EV/IV?

    EV = Effort values. Basically a hidden set of experience that only affects stats with what you get depending on the enemy pokemon one of your's has a hand in beating down (read, getting experience for). For instance, a fast bugger like a pikachu will often give you speed exp. You can kind of think of it like skill increases in Oblivion or other skill based RPGs, something you get in addition to levels. This is why newly captured wild pokemon have lower stats than stuff a player has leveled. There's also a cap on how many EVs a pokemon can attain (as of the GBA titles, it was limitless before).

    IV = Individual values. These are random modifiers to a pokemon's base stats. Basically why if you catch two pokemon of the same type and nature, you'll still see differences in stats. These can range from a -16 or -15 penalty to a +15 or +16 bonus at max level.

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  • Speed RacerSpeed Racer Scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratchRegistered User regular
    edited March 2007
    Diamond is going to be the first Pokemon game where I really get into training hard, since it'll be my first chance to play with a lot of people. I'll definitely do EVs and Nature training, but I don't know if I'm gonna do IVs. Don't you have to level a Pokemon up to 30 or so before you can properly calculate its IVs? That seems like a bit too much work for me.

    Really, getting a monster to 30 is as easy as stockpiling your Rare Candies, saving before using them, and then resetting after you've found out its IVs.

    Not that I ever bothered with IVs and EVs myself. I just know that it isn't as difficult as it initially seems.

    You can pick up 25 (er, 29 in DP) Rare Candies throughout the course of a game? Or do you need to trade around a bit/cheat for 'em?

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  • HooraydiationHooraydiation Registered User regular
    edited March 2007
    Diamond is going to be the first Pokemon game where I really get into training hard, since it'll be my first chance to play with a lot of people. I'll definitely do EVs and Nature training, but I don't know if I'm gonna do IVs. Don't you have to level a Pokemon up to 30 or so before you can properly calculate its IVs? That seems like a bit too much work for me.

    Really, getting a monster to 30 is as easy as stockpiling your Rare Candies, saving before using them, and then resetting after you've found out its IVs.

    Not that I ever bothered with IVs and EVs myself. I just know that it isn't as difficult as it initially seems.

    You can pick up 25 (er, 29 in DP) Rare Candies throughout the course of a game? Or do you need to trade around a bit/cheat for 'em?

    It's not hard to level from 5 to 20 if you have an EXP Share and a place with high level wild monsters. You'll go up multiple levels in one fight. Getting to 30 would require only slightly more effort, but 10 or so Rare Candies would make it faster I guess.

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  • SocratesbubbleSocratesbubble Registered User regular
    edited March 2007
    I'm trying to think of some cool gimmick battle teams for fun.

    A team of cats [Persian, Delcatty, Luxray, Mewtwo, Absol, Mew!], perhaps.

    Or a team of tree-dwellers. [Primeape, Infernape, Ambipom, Slakoth, Weavile, Sceptile, Smeargle]

    A team of dogs? [Arcanine, Manetric, Ninetails, Granbull, Houndoom, Mightyena, the legendary dogs]

    Snake-like pokemon? [Arbok, Seviper, Dragonair, Steelix, Milotic, Huntail, Gorebyss, Raquaza]

    Et cetera, et cetera. Obviously these may not be the 'best' pokemon, but I think my buddies and I would have a good time seeing the uniquely themed lineups we can bring up.

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  • HtR-LaserHtR-Laser Registered User regular
    edited March 2007
    Also, a pokemon with the "pickup" ability will eventually be picking up Rare Candies pretty regularly.

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  • HtR-LaserHtR-Laser Registered User regular
    edited March 2007
    elevature wrote: »
    I have LG and Emerald and want to trade between them. I have the following:

    GBA
    DS
    Cube w/ GB Player
    GBA/Cube link cable

    What's the cheapest method to make this work? I know I don't have everything I need right now, but I really don't want to have to buy a second GBA. Can I buy XD and trade through that? Or am I just screwed?

    Yeah, you can trade through XD. That's what I'm going to do, anyway. I think you have to finish the main quest in XD in order to do so.

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  • NewresNewres Registered User regular
    edited March 2007
    Diamond is going to be the first Pokemon game where I really get into training hard, since it'll be my first chance to play with a lot of people. I'll definitely do EVs and Nature training, but I don't know if I'm gonna do IVs. Don't you have to level a Pokemon up to 30 or so before you can properly calculate its IVs? That seems like a bit too much work for me.

    Really, getting a monster to 30 is as easy as stockpiling your Rare Candies, saving before using them, and then resetting after you've found out its IVs.

    Not that I ever bothered with IVs and EVs myself. I just know that it isn't as difficult as it initially seems.

    You can pick up 25 (er, 29 in DP) Rare Candies throughout the course of a game? Or do you need to trade around a bit/cheat for 'em?

    It's not hard to level from 5 to 20 if you have an EXP Share and a place with high level wild monsters. You'll go up multiple levels in one fight. Getting to 30 would require only slightly more effort, but 10 or so Rare Candies would make it faster I guess.

    If Diamond has a pokemon with pick up and it works the same as in Ruby than you can just run with 5 of them in your party while levelling something and you will be getting items (among them rare candies) pretty fast.

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  • Speed RacerSpeed Racer Scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratchRegistered User regular
    edited March 2007
    Hm, those are good points. Okay, so working out a Pokemon's EV isn't hard.

    But wouldn't it be tricky to get good IVs, a good nature, AND the right ability all in one Pokemon? It seems like it'd take forever. Or is there some trick that I don't know about?

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  • DarkPrimusDarkPrimus Registered User regular
    edited March 2007
    Well, I decided on Diamond.

    I know at least one of my friends will get Pearl.

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  • NewresNewres Registered User regular
    edited March 2007
    Hm, those are good points. Okay, so working out a Pokemon's EV isn't hard.

    But wouldn't it be tricky to get good IVs, a good nature, AND the right ability all in one Pokemon? It seems like it'd take forever. Or is there some trick that I don't know about?

    Pretty much I think. Breeding helps with IV but aside from that you need plenty of luck and even them I doubt anyone would get perfect pokemon.

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  • HtR-LaserHtR-Laser Registered User regular
    edited March 2007
    Hm, those are good points. Okay, so working out a Pokemon's EV isn't hard.

    But wouldn't it be tricky to get good IVs, a good nature, AND the right ability all in one Pokemon? It seems like it'd take forever. Or is there some trick that I don't know about?

    There's a lot of work you've got to put into breeding/hatching in order to get the perfect pokemon, and it'll take a lot of luck and time. That being said, in Emerald, if you give Ditto/a female pokemon an Everstone, there is a 50% chance that the offspring will have the same Nature as the parent, which helps a little bit. The parents also influence the IVs of their offspring, as well, but only to a certain degree.

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  • Speed RacerSpeed Racer Scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratchRegistered User regular
    edited March 2007
    Well, that's certainly convenient. Shame about it being so luck based, though... I'm impatient! D:
    elevature wrote: »
    I have LG and Emerald and want to trade between them. I have the following:

    GBA
    DS
    Cube w/ GB Player
    GBA/Cube link cable

    What's the cheapest method to make this work? I know I don't have everything I need right now, but I really don't want to have to buy a second GBA. Can I buy XD and trade through that? Or am I just screwed?

    Does XD cost less than a GBA link cable? If not (I'm guessing not), just buy one of those. Put one game in the GB Player and one in the GBA, and link 'em.

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  • SousukeSousuke Registered User regular
    edited March 2007
    I just caved and pre-ordered Diamond today. The decision was based 99% on Scyther.

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  • HtR-LaserHtR-Laser Registered User regular
    edited March 2007
    I would criticize that decision, except I just ebayed XD a few days ago for the sole purpose of getting Lugia.

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  • elevatureelevature Registered User regular
    edited March 2007
    Well, that's certainly convenient. Shame about it being so luck based, though... I'm impatient! D:
    elevature wrote: »
    I have LG and Emerald and want to trade between them. I have the following:

    GBA
    DS
    Cube w/ GB Player
    GBA/Cube link cable

    What's the cheapest method to make this work? I know I don't have everything I need right now, but I really don't want to have to buy a second GBA. Can I buy XD and trade through that? Or am I just screwed?

    Does XD cost less than a GBA link cable? If not (I'm guessing not), just buy one of those. Put one game in the GB Player and one in the GBA, and link 'em.

    The problem with that is that GBA link cables are hard to find these days. I could try ebay, though.

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  • Target PracticeTarget Practice Registered User regular
    edited March 2007
    Recoil42 wrote: »
    hehehehe... you said "DP"...

    Damnit, I was gonna make that joke

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  • MeissnerdMeissnerd Registered User regular
    edited March 2007
    Rhyperior looks to have a lot of potential

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  • HtR-LaserHtR-Laser Registered User regular
    edited March 2007
    Why is Regice's cry so damn cool?

    Byooooooo!

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  • NewresNewres Registered User regular
    edited March 2007
    Meissnerd wrote: »
    Rhyperior looks to have a lot of potential

    With the physical/special split I think Arcanine will be incredible. Something like:
    Extremespeed
    Firefang
    Thunderfang
    Crunch/Roar

    It has 110 attack 95 speed 80 in defense and intimidate. Seems like a nice sweeper. Altough I have 0 knowledge in competitive battles so take my opinion with a huge grain of salt.

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  • The Muffin ManThe Muffin Man Registered User regular
    edited March 2007
    Does he learn Flare Drive?
    Upon searching, yes, it can be bred for Flare Drive!

    Jesus.
    That is gonna be terrifying. A 120pwr physical fire move.

    Give him Thunderfang for a surprise to any Water-types switched in. I'd keep Extremespeed and give it the Attack Up berry(Liechi I think?). That way when they think Arcanine is down and out, Extremespeed to hit 'em before you're out. Maybe Return over Crunch? Crunch might work too. Depends on how the Metagame looks.

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  • BahamutZEROBahamutZERO Registered User regular
    edited March 2007
    Muffin man, as long as we're on a new thread, fix the info about Pokemon Battle Revolution in the first post. It's not real time or anything cool like it says in the OP now, it's just the same thing as all the stadium games with slightly better graphics and online play.

    Also your Arcanine will be in for a shock when I switch in my lanturn. Get it? Shock? Ha ha. I slay me.

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  • Cold Salmon and HatredCold Salmon and Hatred __BANNED USERS regular
    edited March 2007
    Alright, Im aiming for a speedrun of Emerald.
    Also, preordering DP from EB. Good or bad idea.

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  • The Muffin ManThe Muffin Man Registered User regular
    edited March 2007
    I'll do that tomorrow or something.

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  • The Muffin ManThe Muffin Man Registered User regular
    edited March 2007
    Zot wrote: »
    Alright, Im aiming for a speedrun of Emerald.
    Also, preordering DP from EB. Good or bad idea.

    Greatest idea.

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  • BahamutZEROBahamutZERO Registered User regular
    edited March 2007
    YOU LAZY BASTARD! DO IT NOW OR I'LL POST IN ALL CAPS AND CALL YOU NAMES!

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  • The Muffin ManThe Muffin Man Registered User regular
    edited March 2007
    :cry:

    I dunno where to find any info on Battle Revolution!

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  • BlackjackBlackjack Registered User regular
    edited March 2007
    I have two questions, for anyone knowledgeable.

    1) Is the new skunk pokemon any good? I plan on using it lots regardless, but it'd be nice if it was useful.

    2) I remember reading that you could only get it in either Diamond or Pearl, but I don't remember which.

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  • ArcSynArcSyn Registered User regular
    edited March 2007
    I haven't played a pokemon game since Yellow (and Red before that). Is Diamond/Pearl supposed to be easy enough for those of us who are only familiar with 151 types to get into and enjoy, or has it gotten much more complicated than that?

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  • JollusJollus Registered User regular
    edited March 2007
    I fear for my free time. Also my soon to be wife is going to hate me when I purchase this. Sapphire became an issue when I picked it up a few years ago.

    But, I won't get it until I can manage to get a DS Lite. Which will be a while.

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  • HtR-LaserHtR-Laser Registered User regular
    edited March 2007
    Blackjack wrote: »
    I have two questions, for anyone knowledgeable.

    1) Is the new skunk pokemon any good? I plan on using it lots regardless, but it'd be nice if it was useful.

    2) I remember reading that you could only get it in either Diamond or Pearl, but I don't remember which.

    I don't know much about it, but at a glance it appears to have interesting typing (Poison/Dark, meaning it solves the Psychic problem but increases the threat from fighting types) and has a pretty big movepool. I dunno much more, because the mechanics are changing so much in D/P.

    It's in Diamond only.

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  • BahamutZEROBahamutZERO Registered User regular
    edited March 2007
    Just remove the info that's there and say it's going to be like the previous stadium games, but with online battling.

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  • The Muffin ManThe Muffin Man Registered User regular
    edited March 2007
    Blackjack wrote:
    I have two questions, for anyone knowledgeable.

    1) Is the new skunk pokemon any good? I plan on using it lots regardless, but it'd be nice if it was useful.

    2) I remember reading that you could only get it in either Diamond or Pearl, but I don't remember which.

    It's not unusable, but it's fairly unimpressive. Learns some decent attacks. Screech, Toxic, and Slash all before level 30. Then Blade Test at 31, and Flamethrower after evolving into Skuntank.
    After that, you're fucked till it learns Explosion at 52.

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