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If furries want to dress up and do their thing, then fine, have fun guys, I'm not interfering with your ability to do it, and there's no laws against it.
And if they want to marry another furry? They're already allowed to! Hooray!
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Some people behind LGBT: furries, polys (who I would at least like to see given a marriage contract option that works for them, complicated as that might be), pedophiles, and all people in harmless subcultures who are nonetheless ostracized by mainstream society. And before you pat yourself on the back for the progress made so far, don't forget that the B and the T are at least a half step behind the L and the G.
I'm serious...any groups I can think of -NAMBLA, incest advocates, etc are an insult to even bring into the discussion.
You have fetishes like furries and that with varying degrees of acceptance, but nothing where discrimination is systematic and institutionalized. Like LGBT discrimination.
Poly is about the only decent group to point to. And they CAN marry each other. Poly marriage is fundamentally different than twoparty marriage.
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I think it's funny that you put "social discrimination is not ok" and "other groups, like pedophiles" in the same post.
I'm gonna go with "yeah, some levels of social discrimination are ok".
Yeah
People who feel sexual attraction towards minors are ostracized to such a degree that it's been bleeding over to people who interact with children
It's a major social issue and should be considered distinct from issues of child molestation
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I think we are using vastly different definitions of "social discrimination".
I have opinions about how we treat pedophilia and pedophiles, but I don't think the LGBT thread is the place for it for a trillion reasons.
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I'm at work, but I'll PM you whenever I have a minute, to sate your curiosity.
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Another excellent speech at the New Zealand marriage amendment bill reading :
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Dammit Durandal! Stop trying to make fetch happen!
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Just because it's a term you're not familiar with...
chair to Creation and then suplex the Void.
Shoot I feel like that when I hear my sister talk with her friends
You should just tell her about how my office was nothing but smiling, happy, hungover people today.
literally one of the happiest days i've seen in that office in a long time.
although a very quiet happy day.
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Yeah, I'd have to say pedophiles. What they do is certainly wrong IF they engage in it but I don't believe for a second any of them choose to have that kind of "fetish" (if you want to call that; I'm not really sure what term is good to use).
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I disgaree. Touchy means the subject will almost immediately cause extreme anger and upset feelings. As it will. As it should. It's horrible, horrible stuff.
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There is no way "otherkin" can be construed as not ridiculous, so if someone's mad at me for "not respecting their identity", well, whatever. I know I could just as easily apply that same logic to, say, a trans individual, but luckily, I can look at things that have an analogous logical case without discarding the part of my brain that goes, wait a minute, this sounds really stupid.
There is a line, which is hard to pinpoint through logical construction but which is really easy to pinpoint through a mind turned towards general acceptance. On one side, there is a group of people whose identities are not adequately represented by common constructions. On the other side, there are people who desperately, desperately need to be a special special category, because? And I'll generally think people are in the first side, but I think it's wrong to discard even the possibility of the second side.
Now, I could just ignore this, and not devote any energy to thinking otherkin are ridiculous, or whatever, and let them be. But I think it really warps people in an unhealthy way. You need to be able to step away from these dogmatic ideas about social justice, or you will be completely unable to partake in any sort of social activity. I've seen it happen. I've been yelled at for suggesting that someone saying "crack is gender reassignment surgery on a budget" is unacceptable, because I'm not trans, and I'm stereotyping trans views. That's the kind of warped shit Tumblr social justice makes people think. And when you can be anything you want and other people are terrible for not conforming to you, it leads to the idea that the world either needs to or will conform to you without you having convinced it to. No, the world is not terrible for not treating you like a cat, or whatever. If you are a human you have certain responsibilities you have to meet, and you can't escape those by denying your humanity while at the same time trying to benefit from everything else those who meet their responsibilities make.
I worry I'm veering from the topic though, because this is only mildly related to LGBTQ. Sure, some of these same arguments can be used to argue against LGBTQ, but I think in those cases, a solid argument has been made in favor of LGBTQ identities.
It's not even about discrimination against fat people, or unattractive people-two groups who are certainly discriminated against in very real material ways (but haven't been brought up for some reason because?)
The real answer to "what should the LGBT rights movement do once we have accomplished our objectives" is "nothing".
Once we have accomplished our objectives the movement won't be a movement anymore. Counter-cultures and sub-cultures which go mainstream are subsumed by it, they lose their specialness and become normal.
That alone is probably enough to frighten off the otherkin, because for the most part they don't want to be subsumed into normalcy.
It's such a problem you can't even say things like "the laws against pedophiles are really bad and probably actually contribute to child sex abuse by not giving them an outlet to seek help", because then you get accused of being a pedophile yourself because that's the only way you could have sympathy for them
Same way with like, vore fetishists. They have fetishes they can't legally act on and society does fuck all to help them through it
Nuh Uh
Repulicans keep telling me if you let gays in the boy scouts theyll bugger all the boys
Just like what happened when the Catholic church started accepting gay people
If re-branding LGBT as "quiltbaggers" suddenly means we're responsible for every wacky and even illegal internet sexual fetish then that's just another reason to say fuck no to the "lets be super inclusive" trend.
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