My friend was asking me why i hate Batman so much, and after thinking hard about it, i realized i can't look past this.
So batman totally sucks. What causes most crime? Poverty. What cures poverty? Money. Money comes from jobs. Instead of paying 3.2 billion for his fucking bat wing/cave/car etc why doesn't he send Gotham kids to college? Why doesn't he beef up Arkham security? Those assholes break out every 10 minutes. But when he's not putting away super villains he's stopping muggers! BILLIONS spent to stop muggers. Maybe if Wayne created more jobs that paid well, people would be working and not mugging. Batman has been in Gotham for 60 years and the place is still a shit hole. Bruce, take your money and open 50 schools. Pay teachers a good salary, and send These kids to college. Crime will drop like a stone and Gotham would flourish. Then the city wouldn't need the batman. So basically he's just a selfish prick who wants to play dress up at the cost of thousands if not millions of lives.
I get that its a comic, but if he's so brilliant why would he not have thought of this???
Or is there a story arch that actually addresses this?
Im curious because otherwise Batman is just Batman, and his cause is total crap. Because he could solve it EASILY as bruce Wayne.
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He does think about it and address it constantly. I don't know why you would just decide he doesn't and then ask to be disproven.
Poverty is also not the only cause of crime. Batman fights the Mob.
Bruce Wayne fights poverty as well, but poverty is not the only reason people commit crimes. Many people simply see crime as an occupation. He dresses up as the Batman to intimidate and deter those people from preying on the innocent, also to work out his own personal demons.
Basically this sounds to me like, "how dare he be rich? He should give up all his money to the poor people and crime would stop!"
When in reality it would just make him another poor person and crime would continue.
This is even goosier than people who hate Superman because "he can't be killed therefore he's boring."
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It just seems odd to me that his character wants to make Gotham "better", and beating up muggers one at a time is not the way to do it.
If im Bruce Wayne and i honestly want to clean up Gotham I...
1) Beef up Arkham, or make a new prison that villains can't break out if in 10 minutes.
2) Build schools and hire good teachers.
3) Provide full Scholarships for Students of Gotham.
This alone would clean up the Majority of the city...then he can dress up and beat up the muggers that remain.
I guess im just at that age where i realize that the major heroes for the big companies will NEVER really change. Well i realized that long ago..but i'm at the age where i WANT to see some cool changes. Its hard to get good writing out of a comic that has existed for so long knowing that at the end of the day there is going to be a Batman.
Anyway, crime in the DCU isn't just gangbangers and thieves, it's also maniacs with lasers. Education grants won't stop Lex Luthor.
Have you seem how ridiculous student loan debt is these days? If that didn't drive people to a life of costumed crime, I don't know what would.
I mean, aside from traumatic childhoods and psychopathy and toxic waste and cosmic rays and stuff. But I'm sure paying off medical school* loans is, like, in the top ten.
*or clown college, if you're the Joker.
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I read the comments on this video, can someone come punch me in the brain now ?
Arkham Asylum is a mental hospital. Blackgate is the prison.
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Are there any other comics you guys could recommend that breaks from this type of "the hero will never actually die" type situation?
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Damn this made my day. Thank you for sharing! Im glad i'm not the only person to think this!!
Instead of dressing up like a bat and saving the world on a weekly basis, you know what he should do? Become president/CEO of the largest international corporation in the world, thereby providing jobs at all levels to tens of thousands of people worldwide (and all the associated benefits ), creating revenue to fund scholarships, furthering technological advances that improve quality of life, funding charities...
(bribing judges so that they actually throw the book at villains, instead of slapping them on the rest or letting them off on technicalities or sending them to Arkham...that sort of thing)
...he could do it.
But it doesn't seem to be in his character. What Batman does is explicitly outside the legal system, but he's not willing to actually manipulate or interfere with the legal system itself. He does things that are extralegal but not things that are illegal (aside from vigilante-ism obviously, and he does this with the tacit consent if not outright approval of the legal authorities at this point).
Also, "Bruce Wayne out-crooks the crooks" would basically be the same story Marvel did with Daredevil that led into Shadowlands...
alright. in the comics, Bruce Wayne is a well-known philanthropist. the Wayne Foundation supports a whole host of charitable and development things in the city of Gotham. it's an ongoing, underlying plot point.
other underlying plot points for modern Batman comics include 1) incredibly-corrupt government officials and police, and 2) supervillains.
i'm really unsure as to how throwing money makes these problems just "go away". in the real world, throwing money at problems without careful planning or forethought as to how the money gets spent is a horrible idea.
actually, what pisses me off about the whole underlying premise of this thread, aside from the weird critique about a fictional superhero (who actually does try to fight poverty through philanthropic efforts) is the notion that throwing money at a problem like poverty makes it go away like a puff of smoke.
no it does not. there is no "quick fix" to problems like poverty. and i agree with you, we need more and better-paid teachers, better infrastructure, better lots of things. but you have to be careful about how this is done, otherwise you just end up with wasted money and, sometimes, unscrupulous folks who take the money for their own personal gain. a lot of Batman's storylines involve precisely the problem of corruption.
so, what the hell, NakedZergling?
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Why does King Penis of Fuck Mountain want a serious explanation of Batman?
The Joker is trying a different tactic apparently.... instead of a clown, hes now an internet troll.
I actually own that issue
but not because he makes no sense
of course he makes no sense
but it doesn't matter because; not real
I don't think it would POOF go away. I would take 10-15+ years, but he's been fighting as batman for 70 years? And Gotham is still shitty.
I still think if Wayne focused his efforts as a philanthropist with the same tenacity and dedication that he does as Batman, then he could fix gotham.
Im not trying to get anyone to dislike Batman. Ive just never been a huge fan, and i think the Christopher Nolan series really killed the character for me. I just feel like he Batman for the sake of being Batman. And i think it's fun to analyze the character
No, he hasn't.
Yeah, but that's not really what you're doing.
in the context of a comic, that wouldn't make an interesting story.
in the context of an actual real-world scenario, that's optimistic at best. one person can make a difference, but one person, no matter how wealthy, cannot change something as entrenched and insidious as poverty. it takes a collective effort for a city to tackle that. you have to convince people to work together. each person has to make small changes that hopefully end at a better result. and not every person will agree with one man's vision just because he has money to dole out.
i think you missed the whole message of the Nolan films. the point was that anyone could be Batman. in the movies Wayne didn't realize it himself until the very end. the point was that anyone has the power to effect change, and that was important in the context of a city gripped by absolute corruption and submerged in economic recession and turmoil. i'm not saying you have to like the Nolan films, but i really think you missed the point that Bruce Wayne was figuring this out himself.
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All depends on the approach.
And how do you figure. Why is it wrong to try to imagine a conclusion to the series?
And i actually think it could be intersting (even as just a story arc) to see DC focus on WAYNE and have someone else take the mantle of Batman. Maybe he could do this BECAUSE he realizes he can make a better change to the city this way. I personally think that could be a really cool story, especially is you subscribe to the theory that "anyone can be the Batman".
He uses his power as both the billionaire playboy and the Bat to successfully battle the Mob, effectively shutting it out of Gotham entirely.
And then some psycho in clown makeup swoops in and bum-jumps the whole fucking thing.