mst3k is so hit and miss that it should probably be called miss and hit instead
plus the occasional transphobic joke so
While I don't like defending this sort of thing ever, this stuff was written at a time when trans issues were a lot less well understood than they are today
Gavin's a great guy, if I were a woman he'd be at the top of my list with Michael Jordan, Denzel Washington, Taye Diggs... Oh god, do I have a black thing?
The first two seasons of Community are good (season one really hits its stride around the MASH episode). The first half of the third season is weaker but okay, and then it hits a pretty sharp decline.
As has been said, Parks and Rec, Archer, and Bobs Burgers are all fantastic.
I believe that those jokes are in some of those episodes, but I honestly can't really think of any off the top of my head, I have to think their prevalence is minuscule.
There are 197 episodes of mst3k, I would bet most of them don't have any of that stuff.
*this is obviously an assumption on my part based on no facts besides my own incomplete recollection of the many many many mstk3k episodes I've seen.
Now Wisconsonphobic jokes.. there are tons of those, they fucking hated Wisconsin.
I believe that those jokes are in some of those episodes, but I honestly can't really think of any off the top of my head, I have to think their prevalence is minuscule.
There are 197 episodes of mst3k, I would bet most of them don't have any of that stuff.
*this is obviously an assumption on my part based on no facts besides my own incomplete recollection of the many many many mstk3k episodes I've seen.
Now Wisconsonphobic jokes.. there are tons of those, they fucking hated Wisconsin.
MST3k is best enjoyed when the power to your freezer goes out in the middle of the night
Marty: The future, it's where you're going? Doc: That's right, twenty five years into the future. I've always dreamed on seeing the future, looking beyond my years, seeing the progress of mankind. I'll also be able to see who wins the next twenty-five world series.
it only takes one transphobic joke to render me incapable of enjoying something
Do you mean this in the sense of if there's one of those jokes in an episode you can't enjoy that episode or if there's one of those jokes in any episode you can't enjoy any other episode even if that's the only time it happened?
Because the latter seems extreme to me, it's possible to disapprove or dislike aspects of a thing while still appreciating the whole. The more prevalent that aspect is the harder that is to do obviously. Let's say there's 30 such jokes across the entirety of mst3k, that's a number totally out of my ass obviously. And let's say those 30 jokes are spread across 14 episodes.
You'd be unable to just set those episodes aside and enjoy the other 300 hours of content that is free of that stuff?
And as Grey Ghost said it's not an excuse for it but you're going to run into uncomfortable or unfortunate depictions of any number of things when you are devouring older media. The James Bond books and movies can often be both misogynistic and racist, but that dosen't mean I hate James Bond, I understand how to place those views in the context of the times they were made.
Sometimes it's too much, like I think You Only Live Twice and Live and Let Die are pretty unwatchable in large part because of how central that stuff is to both those movies, but that dosen't mean I won't get down with Goldfinger or Dr. No
it only takes one transphobic joke to render me incapable of enjoying something
Do you mean this in the sense of if there's one of those jokes in an episode you can't enjoy that episode or if there's one of those jokes in any episode you can't enjoy any other episode even if that's the only time it happened?
Because the latter seems extreme to me, it's possible to disapprove or dislike aspects of a thing while still appreciating the whole. The more prevalent that aspect is the harder that is to do obviously. Let's say there's 30 such jokes across the entirety of mst3k, that's a number totally out of my ass obviously. And let's say those 30 jokes are spread across 14 episodes.
You'd be unable to just set those episodes aside and enjoy the other 300 hours of content that is free of that stuff?
And as Grey Ghost said it's not an excuse for it but you're going to run into uncomfortable or unfortunate depictions of any number of things when you are devouring older media. The James Bond books and movies can often be both misogynistic and racist, but that dosen't mean I hate James Bond, I understand how to place those views in the context of the times they were made.
Sometimes it's too much, like I think You Only Live Twice and Live and Let Die are pretty unwatchable in large part because of how central that stuff is to both those movies, but that dosen't mean I won't get down with Goldfinger or Dr. No
When that sort of stuff affects you directly I imagine it could certainly sour you on a franchise.
it only takes one transphobic joke to render me incapable of enjoying something
Do you mean this in the sense of if there's one of those jokes in an episode you can't enjoy that episode or if there's one of those jokes in any episode you can't enjoy any other episode even if that's the only time it happened?
Because the latter seems extreme to me, it's possible to disapprove or dislike aspects of a thing while still appreciating the whole. The more prevalent that aspect is the harder that is to do obviously. Let's say there's 30 such jokes across the entirety of mst3k, that's a number totally out of my ass obviously. And let's say those 30 jokes are spread across 14 episodes.
You'd be unable to just set those episodes aside and enjoy the other 300 hours of content that is free of that stuff?
And as Grey Ghost said it's not an excuse for it but you're going to run into uncomfortable or unfortunate depictions of any number of things when you are devouring older media. The James Bond books and movies can often be both misogynistic and racist, but that dosen't mean I hate James Bond, I understand how to place those views in the context of the times they were made.
Sometimes it's too much, like I think You Only Live Twice and Live and Let Die are pretty unwatchable in large part because of how central that stuff is to both those movies, but that dosen't mean I won't get down with Goldfinger or Dr. No
When that sort of stuff affects you directly I imagine it could certainly sour you on a franchise.
Yeah in this case I would say it's entirely the individual's prerogative and it's absolutely understandable
I'm not denying that, I even had typed somewhere in that post that "obviously that's your prerogative" at one point but it got deleted when I changed one of the examples I was giving I think.
I guess my view on the mst3k stuff is colored not just because of the sheer volume of content but because of it's format, where it's just kind of nonstop stream of consciousness riffing. Rather than heavily structured or pointed jokes about that stuff but I also can't remember any examples off the top of my head so maybe the ones that do exist are really egregious, I don't know.
MST3k is actually run off a script after watching the movie several times and making riffs in the writing room
Marty: The future, it's where you're going? Doc: That's right, twenty five years into the future. I've always dreamed on seeing the future, looking beyond my years, seeing the progress of mankind. I'll also be able to see who wins the next twenty-five world series.
it only takes one transphobic joke to render me incapable of enjoying something
Do you mean this in the sense of if there's one of those jokes in an episode you can't enjoy that episode or if there's one of those jokes in any episode you can't enjoy any other episode even if that's the only time it happened?
Because the latter seems extreme to me, it's possible to disapprove or dislike aspects of a thing while still appreciating the whole. The more prevalent that aspect is the harder that is to do obviously. Let's say there's 30 such jokes across the entirety of mst3k, that's a number totally out of my ass obviously. And let's say those 30 jokes are spread across 14 episodes.
You'd be unable to just set those episodes aside and enjoy the other 300 hours of content that is free of that stuff?
And as Grey Ghost said it's not an excuse for it but you're going to run into uncomfortable or unfortunate depictions of any number of things when you are devouring older media. The James Bond books and movies can often be both misogynistic and racist, but that dosen't mean I hate James Bond, I understand how to place those views in the context of the times they were made.
Sometimes it's too much, like I think You Only Live Twice and Live and Let Die are pretty unwatchable in large part because of how central that stuff is to both those movies, but that dosen't mean I won't get down with Goldfinger or Dr. No
When that sort of stuff affects you directly I imagine it could certainly sour you on a franchise.
Yeah in this case I would say it's entirely the individual's prerogative and it's absolutely understandable
I'm not denying that, I even had typed somewhere in that post that "obviously that's your prerogative" at one point but it got deleted when I changed one of the examples I was giving I think.
I guess my view on the mst3k stuff is colored not just because of the sheer volume of content but because of it's format, where it's just kind of nonstop stream of consciousness riffing. Rather than heavily structured or pointed jokes about that stuff but I also can't remember any examples off the top of my head so maybe the ones that do exist are really egregious, I don't know.
at the risk of ruining the illusion mst3k actually was pretty strictly written and the films were watched and riffed on multiple times with only the best jokes making it into the episode
No I know it's scripted but still the relentlessness of delivery and structure is so totally different from most any other tv that I don't really see it as the same as writing a sitcom joke or deliberately constructing a situation to make a specific joke.
If anyone has any examples of specific jokes/episodes I'd be curious to take a look at them though.
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Marty: The future, it's where you're going? Doc: That's right, twenty five years into the future. I've always dreamed on seeing the future, looking beyond my years, seeing the progress of mankind. I'll also be able to see who wins the next twenty-five world series.
it only takes one transphobic joke to render me incapable of enjoying something
Do you mean this in the sense of if there's one of those jokes in an episode you can't enjoy that episode or if there's one of those jokes in any episode you can't enjoy any other episode even if that's the only time it happened?
Because the latter seems extreme to me, it's possible to disapprove or dislike aspects of a thing while still appreciating the whole. The more prevalent that aspect is the harder that is to do obviously. Let's say there's 30 such jokes across the entirety of mst3k, that's a number totally out of my ass obviously. And let's say those 30 jokes are spread across 14 episodes.
You'd be unable to just set those episodes aside and enjoy the other 300 hours of content that is free of that stuff?
And as Grey Ghost said it's not an excuse for it but you're going to run into uncomfortable or unfortunate depictions of any number of things when you are devouring older media. The James Bond books and movies can often be both misogynistic and racist, but that dosen't mean I hate James Bond, I understand how to place those views in the context of the times they were made.
Sometimes it's too much, like I think You Only Live Twice and Live and Let Die are pretty unwatchable in large part because of how central that stuff is to both those movies, but that dosen't mean I won't get down with Goldfinger or Dr. No
To be fair, I think one could view different installments of a 50 year film franchise differently than a television series that takes place over a few years. I know that while I am a huge fan of the James Bond series in spite of a few uncomfortable instances (mostly in the earlier years), my brother, who is a huge film buff for the most part, completely refuses to watch the Connery films because of the attitude he has seen Connery express toward women publicly. He's still a fan of the series from the Dalton films onward (he dislikes the Moore films for more film-related reasons).
While I'm able to separate Connery's personal views from his films, my brother isn't, and I have never tried to convince him otherwise, as I completely understand where he's coming from. While I can disagree with Connery and still watch his films, I can also understand how someone would be unable to reconcile the separation between the two.
it only takes one transphobic joke to render me incapable of enjoying something
Do you mean this in the sense of if there's one of those jokes in an episode you can't enjoy that episode or if there's one of those jokes in any episode you can't enjoy any other episode even if that's the only time it happened?
Because the latter seems extreme to me, it's possible to disapprove or dislike aspects of a thing while still appreciating the whole. The more prevalent that aspect is the harder that is to do obviously. Let's say there's 30 such jokes across the entirety of mst3k, that's a number totally out of my ass obviously. And let's say those 30 jokes are spread across 14 episodes.
You'd be unable to just set those episodes aside and enjoy the other 300 hours of content that is free of that stuff?
And as Grey Ghost said it's not an excuse for it but you're going to run into uncomfortable or unfortunate depictions of any number of things when you are devouring older media. The James Bond books and movies can often be both misogynistic and racist, but that dosen't mean I hate James Bond, I understand how to place those views in the context of the times they were made.
Sometimes it's too much, like I think You Only Live Twice and Live and Let Die are pretty unwatchable in large part because of how central that stuff is to both those movies, but that dosen't mean I won't get down with Goldfinger or Dr. No
To be fair, I think one could view different installments of a 50 year film franchise differently than a television series that takes place over a few years. I know that while I am a huge fan of the James Bond series in spite of a few uncomfortable instances (mostly in the earlier years), my brother, who is a huge film buff for the most part, completely refuses to watch the Connery films because of the attitude he has seen Connery express toward women publicly.
While I'm able to separate Connery's personal views from his films, my brother isn't, and I have never tried to convince him otherwise, as I completely understand where he's coming from. While I can disagree with Connery and still watch his films, I can also understand how someone would be unable to reconcile the separation between the two.
Well, it's not quite as widespread a timeline as the Bond franchise no, but MST3k was on the air for over a decade and went through a number of different writers and cast members through it's history.
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While I don't like defending this sort of thing ever, this stuff was written at a time when trans issues were a lot less well understood than they are today
As has been said, Parks and Rec, Archer, and Bobs Burgers are all fantastic.
Also, Home Movies.
And by extension, as well as its own merits, Metalocalypse
There are 197 episodes of mst3k, I would bet most of them don't have any of that stuff.
*this is obviously an assumption on my part based on no facts besides my own incomplete recollection of the many many many mstk3k episodes I've seen.
Now Wisconsonphobic jokes.. there are tons of those, they fucking hated Wisconsin.
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it only takes one transphobic joke to render me incapable of enjoying something
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Watch Final Justice instead.
yeah it's pretty much all miss
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Do you mean this in the sense of if there's one of those jokes in an episode you can't enjoy that episode or if there's one of those jokes in any episode you can't enjoy any other episode even if that's the only time it happened?
Because the latter seems extreme to me, it's possible to disapprove or dislike aspects of a thing while still appreciating the whole. The more prevalent that aspect is the harder that is to do obviously. Let's say there's 30 such jokes across the entirety of mst3k, that's a number totally out of my ass obviously. And let's say those 30 jokes are spread across 14 episodes.
You'd be unable to just set those episodes aside and enjoy the other 300 hours of content that is free of that stuff?
And as Grey Ghost said it's not an excuse for it but you're going to run into uncomfortable or unfortunate depictions of any number of things when you are devouring older media. The James Bond books and movies can often be both misogynistic and racist, but that dosen't mean I hate James Bond, I understand how to place those views in the context of the times they were made.
Sometimes it's too much, like I think You Only Live Twice and Live and Let Die are pretty unwatchable in large part because of how central that stuff is to both those movies, but that dosen't mean I won't get down with Goldfinger or Dr. No
When that sort of stuff affects you directly I imagine it could certainly sour you on a franchise.
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I'm not denying that, I even had typed somewhere in that post that "obviously that's your prerogative" at one point but it got deleted when I changed one of the examples I was giving I think.
I guess my view on the mst3k stuff is colored not just because of the sheer volume of content but because of it's format, where it's just kind of nonstop stream of consciousness riffing. Rather than heavily structured or pointed jokes about that stuff but I also can't remember any examples off the top of my head so maybe the ones that do exist are really egregious, I don't know.
Doc: That's right, twenty five years into the future. I've always dreamed on seeing the future, looking beyond my years, seeing the progress of mankind. I'll also be able to see who wins the next twenty-five world series.
at the risk of ruining the illusion mst3k actually was pretty strictly written and the films were watched and riffed on multiple times with only the best jokes making it into the episode
that is my everything
If anyone has any examples of specific jokes/episodes I'd be curious to take a look at them though.
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Doc: That's right, twenty five years into the future. I've always dreamed on seeing the future, looking beyond my years, seeing the progress of mankind. I'll also be able to see who wins the next twenty-five world series.
I'm sorry you can't appreciate a good McCloud reference
While I'm able to separate Connery's personal views from his films, my brother isn't, and I have never tried to convince him otherwise, as I completely understand where he's coming from. While I can disagree with Connery and still watch his films, I can also understand how someone would be unable to reconcile the separation between the two.
like, i probably could consider on her majesty's secret service one of, if not the best, if it werent for blofeld's angels of death
Well, it's not quite as widespread a timeline as the Bond franchise no, but MST3k was on the air for over a decade and went through a number of different writers and cast members through it's history.