edit: he basically talks about how we evolved to believe in god as a survival mechanism. According to his theory we are the only species that has the mental processing to perceive the long term future. This would have led to a large amount of despair among early humans so the belief in an afterlife of some sort evolved as a way to motivate the species to continue to survive. Essentially, belief in god gave us a point in living.
I can only get this reaction by being a jerk, but he can do it by making calm, rational statements about what he believes
I need to know his secret
Oddly enough, Deacon's arguements make me flesh out my own and stay away from calling him a Retard.
It's awesome.
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Also Deacon debate is an exchange of ideas. You aren't exchanging ideas, because you aren't taking any in. You aren't considering anything we offer, you assume that we are all inherently wrong and that you hold the bright light of truth. You are preaching at us and your sermon is poorly constructed and self-contradictory.
We take your points, consider them, find a fault, point out the fault, and make a statement back to you. We are trying to debate.
You are simply wrapping a huge "no ur" in the context of open debate.
I'm not falsifying the experience itself, but stating that the use of the experience to prove anything about divinity is a false road, as the experience can be acheived without resorting to divinity of any sort.
That's kind of.. ludicrous. I mean you can use your willpower to stop smoking or lose weight, but because there are pills that do the same thing you were following a "false road" or just "tricking yourself"?
Since that religious experience can be created without the use of God, and it can also be created using various definitions of God, Gods, or no God at all (buddhism).
That doesn't exclude God though. Which is my point.
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Hey callius who was that kid that said he believes in evolution but that a pigeon had always been a pigeon even when it was it's precursor species?
that was hilarious
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For all of Deacon's wacky shennanigans, I will give him credit in that I've never seen him make the outrageous claim that being atheist or agnostic somehow makes you think that life is futile and that you have no morals.
edit: he basically talks about how we evolved to believe in god as a survival mechanism. According to his theory we are the only species that has the mental processing to perceive the long term future. This would have led to a large amount of despair among early humans so the belief in an afterlife of some sort evolved as a way to motivate the species to continue to survive. Essentially, belief in god gave us a point in living.
Well, it is a fairly interesting fact that people have never self-organized into a civilization without some theocratic compnent.
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Intentionally making inflamatory statements about atheists in a significantly atheist community is what I would call trolling.
So now who's intellectually bankrupt? Oh, too bad this is a mostly <whatever> community or views expressed against <whatever> must by default be trolling!
I mean I singled you out because I thought you might honestly enjoy some debate. But I see you're just a closed minded bigot cloaking himself in the threads of intellectualism like Weaver. good day sir.
For all of Deacon's wacky shennanigans, I will give him credit in that I've never seen him make the outrageous claim that being atheist or agnostic somehow makes you think that life is futile and that you have no morals.
People like that drive me up a wall.
I had that conversation a few weeks ago!
If anything, being atheist/agnostic and doing "good" makes you more moral because you are doing it without promise of reward or fear of punishment.
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Anyone ever run into these kids who tell people that they are Christian, and then go off to college and become massively hedonistic party-peoples, and when ask them why they do the things they do, when they say that they are Christian, they just tell you that they'll ask forgiveness later?
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Also Deacon debate is an exchange of ideas. You aren't exchanging ideas, because you aren't taking any in. You aren't considering anything we offer, you assume that we are all inherently wrong and that you hold the bright light of truth. You are preaching at us and your sermon is poorly constructed and self-contradictory.
We take your points, consider them, find a fault, point out the fault, and make a statement back to you. We are trying to debate.
You are simply wrapping a huge "no ur" in the context of open debate.
The funny thing is I see things almost exactly the opposite. You guys are arguing with all these basic beliefs you "know" to be true but never properly examined, get toally defensive when I call them out, make all kinds of assumptions about my own beliefs, etc.
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Also Deacon debate is an exchange of ideas. You aren't exchanging ideas, because you aren't taking any in. You aren't considering anything we offer, you assume that we are all inherently wrong and that you hold the bright light of truth. You are preaching at us and your sermon is poorly constructed and self-contradictory.
We take your points, consider them, find a fault, point out the fault, and make a statement back to you. We are trying to debate.
You are simply wrapping a huge "no ur" in the context of open debate.
The funny thing is I see things almost exactly the opposite. You guys are arguing with all these basic beliefs you "know" to be true but never properly examined, get toally defensive when I call them out, make all kinds of assumptions about my own beliefs, etc.
this doesn't mean anything
this
good god see you are doing exactly what I said you were doing
WeaverWho are you?What do you want?Registered Userregular
edited March 2007
Deacon I don't even know why you want proof of god so badly that you trick yourself into seeing "proof" where there is none. Your religion should require faith in god, not require you to prove his existance.
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oh it's one of these threads again is it?
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I can only get this reaction by being a jerk, but he can do it by making calm, rational statements about what he believes
I need to know his secret
Atheist: You don't agree with my beliefs so I think you're an ignorant moron who is delusional and might possibly be insane.
Theist: You don't agree with my beliefs and so I think you deserve to have unimaginable suffering and torment for the rest of eternity.
http://www.godpart.com/index.html
edit: he basically talks about how we evolved to believe in god as a survival mechanism. According to his theory we are the only species that has the mental processing to perceive the long term future. This would have led to a large amount of despair among early humans so the belief in an afterlife of some sort evolved as a way to motivate the species to continue to survive. Essentially, belief in god gave us a point in living.
that's a surefire way to get head trauma
It's awesome.
We take your points, consider them, find a fault, point out the fault, and make a statement back to you. We are trying to debate.
You are simply wrapping a huge "no ur" in the context of open debate.
That's kind of.. ludicrous. I mean you can use your willpower to stop smoking or lose weight, but because there are pills that do the same thing you were following a "false road" or just "tricking yourself"?
That doesn't exclude God though. Which is my point.
that was hilarious
I had that conversation a few weeks ago!
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I'd say hi to you
but you know
then I'd be a fanboy or something
Well, it is a fairly interesting fact that people have never self-organized into a civilization without some theocratic compnent.
Oh my god
I think I won my first debate ever with a theist
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nothing that beautiful could be spawned by random chance
If anything, being atheist/agnostic and doing "good" makes you more moral because you are doing it without promise of reward or fear of punishment.
So the last line of this post was cut off by my browser and for some reason I totally expected it to say:
'but you know
sunken chest'
But then I scrolled down and it didn't say that and I'm actually kind of disappointed.
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No
You aren't Rank
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The funny thing is I see things almost exactly the opposite. You guys are arguing with all these basic beliefs you "know" to be true but never properly examined, get toally defensive when I call them out, make all kinds of assumptions about my own beliefs, etc.
Can I say "Hi Sheri" and then "Sheri's a carpenter's dream" to keep from being a fanboy?
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You'll see the kind of behavior I was talking about soon.
this doesn't mean anything
this
good god see you are doing exactly what I said you were doing
The worship of Tube.
Deacon, I'm not playing cowboys and morons with you today. Go goosestep off to whatever level of hell you were sent from and get off my plane.
In other words, oh fuck a religion thread has sent out the doucheba....I mean DeaconBlues signal.
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Few are.
Is there treasure inside?
QED
ok
we're done
Ahahahaha.
indisputable proof I have accomplished what no man before has
Naturally, because some kid wanted to wear a pirate costume to school the intertards need to debate about any and all elder gods.
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I wouldn't turn down sheriboobs.jpg in my PM box.