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  • HenroidHenroid Mexican kicked from Immigration Thread Centrism is Racism :3Registered User regular
    Ziggymon wrote: »
    Henroid wrote: »
    Cade wrote: »
    Upcoming Vita redesign to be revealed soon?
    RUMOR: Japanese newspaper Tokyo Keizai reported a rumor that Sony is set to reveal a new PS Vita model in September before the Tokyo Game Show. The new model PCH-2000 will have a 6.3" display manufactured by Samsung (screen size of the current model is 5"), and the resolution will remain at 960 x 554 pixels. The amount of RAM will increase from 512MB to 1GB, to allow more programs to run in the background, the amount of RAM used by games will be unchanged (meaning games are still compatible between old and new models). In addition, the design of the new model will be more in-line with the PS4 design; and the system will launch with new game titles.

    I want to make a joke about it being the same price which won't help anything.

    Especially if the titles are lacking.

    Ugh, if that rumor ends up being true then Sony ends up being dumb.

    I swear this gen Sony and Nintendo may end up being opposites when it comes to their handheld and console.

    I think a redesign is an excellent idea. Giving the Vita a new marketing push to show off its features with the PS4 will always be welcomed. I expected a new Vita to come out around easter time next year but just have things like improved battery life built in flash drive and connectivity feature to smartphones and Sony's own smartwatch to stream media content and have the vita enable things like answering calls from its paired smartphone.

    6.3" display makes sense as it enters the area of being like the Wii U tablet controller.

    None of this addresses the perceived problems with the Vita.

  • VeeveeVeevee WisconsinRegistered User regular
    TOGSolid wrote: »
    TOGSolid wrote: »
    Leading the pack is, to the surprise of no one, King's Candy Crush Saga, which brought in $438,000 a day in the month of July.

    What the absolute flying fuck? I've seen this game in action and it looks amazingly unimpressive. How the fuck is it that big of a money maker?

    It's surprisingly addictive and fun.
    my_brain_is_full_of_fuck_in_hd_by_lemmino-d602afj.png

    I just don't see how a game that simple is pulling in that sort of money.

    Never ever underestimate how much the general public love simple, mindless fun.

  • lowlylowlycooklowlylowlycook Registered User regular
    edited August 2013
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    bigpark nukd game. twas moba. deadaedead now. awholel studio focusi on TVstuf servcis! al best tale|ntwen to bigtusk or leftSM etnirly./ rarare stil kniect focused, no ater what welse youve herd.

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    First translation on gaf:
    artist wrote:
    No Live streaming for Xbone, architectural reasons (not fully complete).
    Latest SDK version (from couple of weeks ago) dropped performance by 15-20% across the board, dont get mad, happens all the time in console dev cycle and eventually will be fixed. No chance of early October release for the Xbone.
    Certainly not for all 21 countries, localization excuse is complete BS. (look at the list of countries that got delayed and their local languages)
    Late October launch for PS4. PS4 SDK is read and is basically master2 final (released today).
    FYI, though people are mad about Bayoneta going sequel, you'll be somewhat unhappy about whatMS is moneyhatting with Platinim(?), other japanese devs in play but Kamaiya town (?) is only 1 I'm solid on. Game not for Europe.
    Big park nuked game, it was a bomba, dead now. A whole studio focussed on TV services only. All the best talent went to Bigtusk or left MS entirely. Rare still kinect focussed, no matter what else you've head.
    New indide publishing policy not set yet for Xbone, post launch.
    September surpise is early. Apologise in advance, everything I saw over last 24 months was that there is no chance of a kinect-less SKU. Solid concrete decision.
    Whisper of Kinect optional SKU early next year (March/April), enough smoke now that I dont want to wait until September.

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  • WeisskaiserWeisskaiser TokyoRegistered User regular
    Cade wrote: »
    Upcoming Vita redesign to be revealed soon?
    RUMOR: Japanese newspaper Tokyo Keizai reported a rumor that Sony is set to reveal a new PS Vita model in September before the Tokyo Game Show. The new model PCH-2000 will have a 6.3" display manufactured by Samsung (screen size of the current model is 5"), and the resolution will remain at 960 x 554 pixels. The amount of RAM will increase from 512MB to 1GB, to allow more programs to run in the background, the amount of RAM used by games will be unchanged (meaning games are still compatible between old and new models). In addition, the design of the new model will be more in-line with the PS4 design; and the system will launch with new game titles.

    I want to make a joke about it being the same price which won't help anything.

    Especially if the titles are lacking.


    >Tokyo Keizai

    I'd just like to point out that no such newspaper exists.

  • ShadowfireShadowfire Vermont, in the middle of nowhereRegistered User regular
    Artereis wrote: »
    Redesigned to take a cheaper memory format? Maybe? Hopefully?

    Honestly, I could swallow $250 for the Vita. But the reality is the system is closer to what.. $330 once the memory card is factored in?

    A simple price cut on the hardware still makes it a bitter pill.

  • mere_immortalmere_immortal So tasty!Registered User regular
    edited August 2013
    With every new post I'm more convinced that CBOAT is actually a Dixie Flatline esque AI who is just really into videogames.

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  • lowlylowlycooklowlylowlycook Registered User regular
    Well if MS does release a no-Kinect SKU then the XBO will really be an upgraded 360 and all their rhetoric at the launch about it being so much more than that will be gone.

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  • OptyOpty Registered User regular
    I don't understand why cboat would directly declare he's in Germany for Gamescom when he goes to such lengths to obfuscate his text. I'd think it'd be a lot easier to figure out who he is by looking at who's going to Gamescom than running writing samples on everyone in your company to maybe get some percent correlation that indicates there's some small percent chance they're the same person.

  • SpaffySpaffy Fuck the Zero Registered User regular
    Instead of dropping the price, they opt to upgrade the quality of the system so the price seems "more appropriate and worth it".

    Yup, sounds like something Sony would be stupid enough to do.

    Because improving your product is stupid, got it.

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  • ZiggymonZiggymon Registered User regular
    Henroid wrote: »
    Ziggymon wrote: »
    Henroid wrote: »
    Cade wrote: »
    Upcoming Vita redesign to be revealed soon?
    RUMOR: Japanese newspaper Tokyo Keizai reported a rumor that Sony is set to reveal a new PS Vita model in September before the Tokyo Game Show. The new model PCH-2000 will have a 6.3" display manufactured by Samsung (screen size of the current model is 5"), and the resolution will remain at 960 x 554 pixels. The amount of RAM will increase from 512MB to 1GB, to allow more programs to run in the background, the amount of RAM used by games will be unchanged (meaning games are still compatible between old and new models). In addition, the design of the new model will be more in-line with the PS4 design; and the system will launch with new game titles.

    I want to make a joke about it being the same price which won't help anything.

    Especially if the titles are lacking.

    Ugh, if that rumor ends up being true then Sony ends up being dumb.

    I swear this gen Sony and Nintendo may end up being opposites when it comes to their handheld and console.

    I think a redesign is an excellent idea. Giving the Vita a new marketing push to show off its features with the PS4 will always be welcomed. I expected a new Vita to come out around easter time next year but just have things like improved battery life built in flash drive and connectivity feature to smartphones and Sony's own smartwatch to stream media content and have the vita enable things like answering calls from its paired smartphone.

    6.3" display makes sense as it enters the area of being like the Wii U tablet controller.

    None of this addresses the perceived problems with the Vita.

    Actually one of the biggest problems with the Vita is that it requires a memory card to run most of the games and those games won't even load without a memory card. Having built in storage again (as it was originally intended to have) would enable most people who are on the fence about having to pay an extra $50+ for a worthwhile memory card could still purchase the machine and use the software.

    A redesign like when most companies re-release or redesign a product enables them to either use cheaper parts/ lower initial costs or have a new marketing campaign focused on its new features/uses. Which would make some headway to address that severe lack of advertising and marketing on the system. Also if developers and publishers are aware of a re-design and new marketing campaign will also help bring more games and exclusives to the platform.

  • SpaffySpaffy Fuck the Zero Registered User regular
    TOGSolid wrote: »
    TOGSolid wrote: »
    Leading the pack is, to the surprise of no one, King's Candy Crush Saga, which brought in $438,000 a day in the month of July.

    What the absolute flying fuck? I've seen this game in action and it looks amazingly unimpressive. How the fuck is it that big of a money maker?

    It's surprisingly addictive and fun.
    my_brain_is_full_of_fuck_in_hd_by_lemmino-d602afj.png

    I just don't see how a game that simple is pulling in that sort of money.

    Welcome to the game industry thread. We hate ourselves.

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  • cloudeaglecloudeagle Registered User regular
    Spaffy wrote: »
    Instead of dropping the price, they opt to upgrade the quality of the system so the price seems "more appropriate and worth it".

    Yup, sounds like something Sony would be stupid enough to do.

    Because improving your product is stupid, got it.

    What he's saying is that the alleged improvements won't do a damn thing to help it sell more. The biggest problem by far is the price, and blowing up the screen won't do a thing to help that.

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  • The WolfmanThe Wolfman Registered User regular
    cloudeagle wrote: »
    Spaffy wrote: »
    Instead of dropping the price, they opt to upgrade the quality of the system so the price seems "more appropriate and worth it".

    Yup, sounds like something Sony would be stupid enough to do.

    Because improving your product is stupid, got it.

    What he's saying is that the alleged improvements won't do a damn thing to help it sell more. The biggest problem by far is the price, and blowing up the screen won't do a thing to help that.

    Pretty much, yup. Their best hope for making this work is if this new model debuts at the $249 point, but the regular Vita gets dropped to $199. Or ideally even $150, because I don't think even $199 could be enough.

    But again, this is Sony. 10 to 1 that if they do this, all the cheap regular Vita's mysteriously vanish, leaving only the premium version. They need to do as Nintendo does, where the regular and XL 3DS's exist side by side.

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  • UncleSporkyUncleSporky Registered User regular
    edited August 2013
    Opty wrote: »
    I don't understand why cboat would directly declare he's in Germany for Gamescom when he goes to such lengths to obfuscate his text. I'd think it'd be a lot easier to figure out who he is by looking at who's going to Gamescom than running writing samples on everyone in your company to maybe get some percent correlation that indicates there's some small percent chance they're the same person.

    If I were him I would indicate I'm at Gamescom explicitly if I'm not there.

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  • UncleSporkyUncleSporky Registered User regular
    Ziggymon wrote: »
    Actually one of the biggest problems with the Vita is that it requires a memory card to run most of the games and those games won't even load without a memory card. Having built in storage again (as it was originally intended to have) would enable most people who are on the fence about having to pay an extra $50+ for a worthwhile memory card could still purchase the machine and use the software.

    A redesign like when most companies re-release or redesign a product enables them to either use cheaper parts/ lower initial costs or have a new marketing campaign focused on its new features/uses. Which would make some headway to address that severe lack of advertising and marketing on the system. Also if developers and publishers are aware of a re-design and new marketing campaign will also help bring more games and exclusives to the platform.

    The rumor says nothing about adding internal memory. How could they even do that without confusing every piece of software released for the system so far? The interfaces weren't built for selecting internal memory as an option.

    I guess they could say "every game developed from now on will support it, but previous games still require external memory..."

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  • HenroidHenroid Mexican kicked from Immigration Thread Centrism is Racism :3Registered User regular
    edited August 2013
    cloudeagle wrote: »
    Spaffy wrote: »
    Instead of dropping the price, they opt to upgrade the quality of the system so the price seems "more appropriate and worth it".

    Yup, sounds like something Sony would be stupid enough to do.

    Because improving your product is stupid, got it.

    What he's saying is that the alleged improvements won't do a damn thing to help it sell more. The biggest problem by far is the price, and blowing up the screen won't do a thing to help that.

    Exactly. Aside from the price of the 3DS, screen size and battery life were two the biggest complaints about it. So when it came time to put out the XL, those things got addressed. But it all came at times when it was in demand.

    Nobody has spent the last two years squawking about the Vita's screen. It has always been the price and library. Upgrading the hardware solves neither of those things.

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  • FairchildFairchild Rabbit used short words that were easy to understand, like "Hello Pooh, how about Lunch ?" Registered User regular
    edited August 2013
    SPLINTER CELL and THE BUREAU both launch this week, some new AAA titles, finally. Does SPLINTER CELL even have a folder around here or is it such a long-running series that people just shrug whenever a new one appears ?

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  • ZiggymonZiggymon Registered User regular
    Ziggymon wrote: »
    Actually one of the biggest problems with the Vita is that it requires a memory card to run most of the games and those games won't even load without a memory card. Having built in storage again (as it was originally intended to have) would enable most people who are on the fence about having to pay an extra $50+ for a worthwhile memory card could still purchase the machine and use the software.

    A redesign like when most companies re-release or redesign a product enables them to either use cheaper parts/ lower initial costs or have a new marketing campaign focused on its new features/uses. Which would make some headway to address that severe lack of advertising and marketing on the system. Also if developers and publishers are aware of a re-design and new marketing campaign will also help bring more games and exclusives to the platform.

    The rumor says nothing about adding internal memory. How could they even do that without confusing every piece of software released for the system so far? The interfaces weren't built for selecting internal memory as an option.

    I guess they could say "every game developed from now on will support it, but previous games still require external memory..."

    It doesn't have to act like that, if you look at the original specifications the software required access to memory that was intended to be internal. The inclusion of the memory cards in the final release was a bit of a quick fix cost cutting measure that cause problems with software not working without one. If a new model included some internal memory I bet you the access to this internal memory from the software builds still exists in the final retail release and its just searching for any memory access.

    Anyway I know the rumours state that its just a 6.3" though I bet if its true will actually be a 6.4" screen as other Sony devices are being made with these panels in mind to save costs. I can't think of many devices from Sony that use the 5" OLED screen anymore. If the Vita has a natural scaler in the system I can easily see Sony using its Triluminous display tech possibly even having a 1080p capable display. So having these changes does make sense and would cut production costs if they could hot swap parts from other products.

  • BlindPsychicBlindPsychic Registered User regular
    Fairchild wrote: »
    SPLINTER CELL and THE BUREAU both launch this week, some new AAA titles, finally. Does SPLINTER CELL even have a folder around here or is it such a long-running series that people just shrug whenever a new one appears ?

    Its an Ubisoft game yes

  • TOGSolidTOGSolid Drunk sailor Seattle, WashingtonRegistered User regular
    edited August 2013
    TOGSolid wrote: »
    Leading the pack is, to the surprise of no one, King's Candy Crush Saga, which brought in $438,000 a day in the month of July.

    What the absolute flying fuck? I've seen this game in action and it looks amazingly unimpressive. How the fuck is it that big of a money maker?

    All the benefits of games designed to exploit the weak-willed and people with a lot more money than sense, brought right into the comfort of your own home. It's like being able to throw your money away on gambling, except nobody even needs a license!

    As someone who lives in a gambling city, I can fully understand how it can top the charts, as well as pity the people who feel compelled to waste money on a game like that. It's hardly a recent thing that you can have people who can't really see how much money they're losing on something that goes literally nowhere, even when somebody points it out to them. I mean, I can get that there's a decent, if simple, game underneath the money-making machinery, but there are about a zillion other games out there that are cheap or free and aren't trying to trick me out of money using skeezy F2P ploys.
    I guess I can just attribute my surprise to living in the middle of nowhere for a lot of my life.
    Note: Being serious and not sarcastic.

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  • lowlylowlycooklowlylowlycook Registered User regular
    riotgames wrote:
    League of Legends hit a new milestone, now regularly exceeding five million peak concurrent players globally. That’s a few more than we reported back in October. We're humbled by the support of players and now more than ever feel the weight of those expectations. Good luck, have fun, and please have mercy on our servers.

    Uh. Well. I've got nothing.

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  • HenroidHenroid Mexican kicked from Immigration Thread Centrism is Racism :3Registered User regular
    I really don't believe that "5 million concurrent" thing. Something's gotta give to make them make a bigger boast than what's really going on. Nobody's just figured out what.

    I'm not trying to deny the success of the game. But in all the internet communities I'm in, there's more not-LoL players (whether it be a different LOMA or none of them) than there are LoL players.

  • reVersereVerse Attack and Dethrone God Registered User regular
    Henroid wrote: »
    I really don't believe that "5 million concurrent" thing. Something's gotta give to make them make a bigger boast than what's really going on. Nobody's just figured out what.

    I'm not trying to deny the success of the game. But in all the internet communities I'm in, there's more not-LoL players (whether it be a different LOMA or none of them) than there are LoL players.

    Well, seeing how no one who actually plays these games calls them "LOMAs", your anecdote aint worth much.

  • HenroidHenroid Mexican kicked from Immigration Thread Centrism is Racism :3Registered User regular
    reVerse wrote: »
    Henroid wrote: »
    I really don't believe that "5 million concurrent" thing. Something's gotta give to make them make a bigger boast than what's really going on. Nobody's just figured out what.

    I'm not trying to deny the success of the game. But in all the internet communities I'm in, there's more not-LoL players (whether it be a different LOMA or none of them) than there are LoL players.

    Well, seeing how no one who actually plays these games calls them "LOMAs", your anecdote aint worth much.

    "LOMA" is what I call "MOBA"s because "Lords Management" is more accurate than "Multiplayer Online Battle Arena."

  • AllforceAllforce Registered User regular
    Talk of 86'ing the Kinect this early, it's.. unbelievable. Yet here we are.

    That's the one thing I think they really have to stick to their guns on no matter what the backlash. They can find ways to make the bundle cheaper over time but they absolutely can not release a fucking XBox One with no bundled Kinect just three months after the goddamn thing launches.

    I don't even care about price, sure it'd be nice if the One was cheaper, but I want actual DIFFERENCES in my 3 consoles since I'll eventually own them all.

  • lowlylowlycooklowlylowlycook Registered User regular
    Concurrent players is pretty unfudgeable. WoW always included Asian players that weren't paying the same $15 that Western players were but LoL being free to play isn't exactly a secret.

    If they wanted a bigger number they could always go with total players in a month or even so far.

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  • reVersereVerse Attack and Dethrone God Registered User regular
    Henroid wrote: »
    reVerse wrote: »
    Henroid wrote: »
    I really don't believe that "5 million concurrent" thing. Something's gotta give to make them make a bigger boast than what's really going on. Nobody's just figured out what.

    I'm not trying to deny the success of the game. But in all the internet communities I'm in, there's more not-LoL players (whether it be a different LOMA or none of them) than there are LoL players.

    Well, seeing how no one who actually plays these games calls them "LOMAs", your anecdote aint worth much.

    "LOMA" is what I call "MOBA"s because "Lords Management" is more accurate than "Multiplayer Online Battle Arena."

    I don't think this Call of Duty game is as big as everyone says it is. I talk to a lot of people who play gun stomach simulators and none of them are into COD.

  • KrossKross Registered User regular
    edited August 2013
    Yeah, unless you're just saying it's a lie there's no real way to alter concurrent online players in a system that isn't tiered or anything. And yeah, 5 million is probably low for the traffic it gets, it's a demoralizing game and people go on and off taking a break from it pretty often.

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  • HenroidHenroid Mexican kicked from Immigration Thread Centrism is Racism :3Registered User regular
    What I'm suggesting is how many of those accounts are playing games vs. how many are spectating only, or possibly multiple accounts owned by the same individual?

  • November FifthNovember Fifth Registered User regular
    Allforce wrote: »
    Talk of 86'ing the Kinect this early, it's.. unbelievable. Yet here we are.

    That's the one thing I think they really have to stick to their guns on no matter what the backlash. They can find ways to make the bundle cheaper over time but they absolutely can not release a fucking XBox One with no bundled Kinect just three months after the goddamn thing launches.

    I don't even care about price, sure it'd be nice if the One was cheaper, but I want actual DIFFERENCES in my 3 consoles since I'll eventually own them all.

    I think it might become sort of a self fulfilling prophecy at this point. Rumors cause potential buyers start holding off on buying the system on the hope that a cheaper sku is coming later, thus making it likelier that such a sku will be released.

  • HenroidHenroid Mexican kicked from Immigration Thread Centrism is Racism :3Registered User regular
    reVerse wrote: »
    Henroid wrote: »
    reVerse wrote: »
    Henroid wrote: »
    I really don't believe that "5 million concurrent" thing. Something's gotta give to make them make a bigger boast than what's really going on. Nobody's just figured out what.

    I'm not trying to deny the success of the game. But in all the internet communities I'm in, there's more not-LoL players (whether it be a different LOMA or none of them) than there are LoL players.

    Well, seeing how no one who actually plays these games calls them "LOMAs", your anecdote aint worth much.

    "LOMA" is what I call "MOBA"s because "Lords Management" is more accurate than "Multiplayer Online Battle Arena."

    I don't think this Call of Duty game is as big as everyone says it is. I talk to a lot of people who play gun stomach simulators and none of them are into COD.

    I... the name difference is just a dumb gag I run with as an Idle Thumbs listener and has shit all to do with being a part of the actual argument at hand. Settle down man. O_o

  • DhalphirDhalphir don't you open that trapdoor you're a fool if you dareRegistered User regular
    Henroid wrote: »
    What I'm suggesting is how many of those accounts are playing games vs. how many are spectating only, or possibly multiple accounts owned by the same individual?

    the multiple accounts thing is always what raises my eyebrows whenever discussing an F2P game

  • Shady3011Shady3011 Registered User regular
    Now I know it's the weekend in the industry thread.

  • HenroidHenroid Mexican kicked from Immigration Thread Centrism is Racism :3Registered User regular
    Dhalphir wrote: »
    Henroid wrote: »
    What I'm suggesting is how many of those accounts are playing games vs. how many are spectating only, or possibly multiple accounts owned by the same individual?

    the multiple accounts thing is always what raises my eyebrows whenever discussing an F2P game

    Well people do that for paid games too.

  • lowlylowlycooklowlylowlycook Registered User regular
    Henroid wrote: »
    Dhalphir wrote: »
    Henroid wrote: »
    What I'm suggesting is how many of those accounts are playing games vs. how many are spectating only, or possibly multiple accounts owned by the same individual?

    the multiple accounts thing is always what raises my eyebrows whenever discussing an F2P game

    Well people do that for paid games too.

    I don't think people can really two box Mobas. Maybe I'm wrong.

    Even if there is a reason for multiple accounts, how would that affect concurrent players?

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  • LostNinjaLostNinja Registered User regular
    Allforce wrote: »
    Talk of 86'ing the Kinect this early, it's.. unbelievable. Yet here we are.

    That's the one thing I think they really have to stick to their guns on no matter what the backlash. They can find ways to make the bundle cheaper over time but they absolutely can not release a fucking XBox One with no bundled Kinect just three months after the goddamn thing launches.

    I don't even care about price, sure it'd be nice if the One was cheaper, but I want actual DIFFERENCES in my 3 consoles since I'll eventually own them all.

    I think it might become sort of a self fulfilling prophecy at this point. Rumors cause potential buyers start holding off on buying the system on the hope that a cheaper sku is coming later, thus making it likelier that such a sku will be released.

    Agreed, when they finally caved on it needing to be plugged in in order for the XBone to function, they attracted a lot of customers who were holding out on getting one. Now those same new potential customers are expecting one without the kinect and many will hold off their purchase until that becomes an option.

  • Ninja Snarl PNinja Snarl P My helmet is my burden. Ninja Snarl: Gone, but not forgotten.Registered User regular
    I know there are folks looking forward to the Kinect 2.0, but for most people, it's just an overpriced, unnecessary peripheral they don't want and massively elevates the price of a console they do want. Frankly, it's not up to us to make sure Microsoft forces good support for a peripheral we don't like/want and being charged a premium for it; if the Kinect 2.0 was really in any way that much of a game-changer, none of this hullaballoo about pulling it would even exist because everybody would want it.

    And the Kinect 2.0 wouldn't be going anywhere except to a separate box with a separate price tag. Want it? Buy it. But thinking the Kinect 2.0 is going to make any difference at all for 95% of the games on the system is pure fantasy; people just don't generally care that much, and publishers/developers aren't going to be willing to spend time and effort jamming Kinect-specific features into a game they're going to sell on 1-5 other platforms (at least initially), none of which will have Kinect 2.0. Splitting it off into a separate purchase means the rest of us will be spared the sort of detestable, clunky, half-functioning interfacing we want none of in our games, while the people who still want it are completely free to purchase it and all the games it has. If it's not strong enough to survive on its own, then it's just not a viable idea, end of story; compromising the success of the entire system for the sake of a peripheral is not a smart call.

    That being said, the ultimate decider here is whether Microsoft thinks it will gain more at launch by pulling the Kinect for a console-only bundle or if it would earn to much bad will from the publishers currently making games with the Kinect in mind. The only problem I'm seeing with that is that I've yet to see somebody posting info about Company X getting mad that Microsoft is risking the success of their game by courting the idea of pulling the Kinect; that would imply to me that, so far, publishers and developers aren't even very interested in the Kinect. And why would they be? For somewhat more than the cost of one good Kinect game, they could make a good game that would sell across several systems instead of just one.

    There's simply no way that preserving the Kinect 2.0 as a pack-in is good for the system and good for the consumers and good for Microsoft and will be heavily-used by developers, and I just don't see Microsoft willingly and knowingly shooting themselves in the foot for the sake of the handful of people who think a Kinect pack-in is what the system really needs.

  • exisexis Registered User regular
    edited August 2013
    Henroid wrote: »
    Dhalphir wrote: »
    Henroid wrote: »
    What I'm suggesting is how many of those accounts are playing games vs. how many are spectating only, or possibly multiple accounts owned by the same individual?

    the multiple accounts thing is always what raises my eyebrows whenever discussing an F2P game

    Well people do that for paid games too.

    I don't think people can really two box Mobas. Maybe I'm wrong.

    Even if there is a reason for multiple accounts, how would that affect concurrent players?

    I'm sure someone out there is multi-boxing LoL, but you don't get the same sort of benefit as you would in an MMO (for example - it's an edge case which wouldn't have any real impact on the stats.

    What is worth noting is that LoL has a client which players log into, from where they can buy items, talk with people, and queue in lobbies. You need to log into this client before you can actually get into a game, and it's not a big deal to idle there for hours. I wouldn't be surprised if the 5 million number was for players concurrently logged into the client, rather than players actually playing.

    edit: To explain further, in WoW if you're inactive for 15 minutes you get logged off. Another 15 minutes and you're disconnected from the login server (I might be off on those numbers). In LoL I don't know if you're ever kicked off from the external client for idling. I know I've left it running in the background for several hours at a time without realising.

    Still big bickies though.

    exis on
  • Serious_ScrubSerious_Scrub Registered User regular
    I know there are folks looking forward to the Kinect 2.0, but for most people, it's just an overpriced, unnecessary peripheral they don't want and massively elevates the price of a console they do want. Frankly, it's not up to us to make sure Microsoft forces good support for a peripheral we don't like/want and being charged a premium for it; if the Kinect 2.0 was really in any way that much of a game-changer, none of this hullaballoo about pulling it would even exist because everybody would want it.

    And the Kinect 2.0 wouldn't be going anywhere except to a separate box with a separate price tag. Want it? Buy it. But thinking the Kinect 2.0 is going to make any difference at all for 95% of the games on the system is pure fantasy; people just don't generally care that much, and publishers/developers aren't going to be willing to spend time and effort jamming Kinect-specific features into a game they're going to sell on 1-5 other platforms (at least initially), none of which will have Kinect 2.0. Splitting it off into a separate purchase means the rest of us will be spared the sort of detestable, clunky, half-functioning interfacing we want none of in our games, while the people who still want it are completely free to purchase it and all the games it has. If it's not strong enough to survive on its own, then it's just not a viable idea, end of story; compromising the success of the entire system for the sake of a peripheral is not a smart call.

    That being said, the ultimate decider here is whether Microsoft thinks it will gain more at launch by pulling the Kinect for a console-only bundle or if it would earn to much bad will from the publishers currently making games with the Kinect in mind. The only problem I'm seeing with that is that I've yet to see somebody posting info about Company X getting mad that Microsoft is risking the success of their game by courting the idea of pulling the Kinect; that would imply to me that, so far, publishers and developers aren't even very interested in the Kinect. And why would they be? For somewhat more than the cost of one good Kinect game, they could make a good game that would sell across several systems instead of just one.

    There's simply no way that preserving the Kinect 2.0 as a pack-in is good for the system and good for the consumers and good for Microsoft and will be heavily-used by developers, and I just don't see Microsoft willingly and knowingly shooting themselves in the foot for the sake of the handful of people who think a Kinect pack-in is what the system really needs.

    That sounds like the argument made with the WiiU controller, for whatever conclusions you want to draw from that

  • JihadJesusJihadJesus Registered User regular
    I just don't see Microsoft willingly and knowingly shooting themselves in the foot for the sake of the handful of people who think a Kinect pack-in is what the system really needs.

    I do because that handful currently includes the higher ups at MS, which is all that really matters.

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