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A Thread of A Series of Books of A Song of Ice and Fire (OURS IS THE SPOILERS)
Blendtec
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Once upon a time a boy in New Jersey had some pet turtles. Unfortunately for the boy, the turtles never lived very long, so in his imagination they lived and died in a land of medieval court intrigue and war. Years later that boy would grow up, grow a beard, and write some books.
Today, his turtles live on die in the lands of Westeros and Essos in the hugely popular A Song of Ice and Fire. The series, originally planned for 7 books, has spawned 5 novels (write faster dammit!), several short stories and novellas, cookbooks, atlases, some other stuff I'm forgetting, and some TV show that no one really watches. Do not go posting spoilers, something you think is a clever hint or foreshadowing in the show thread. Book is a 4 letter word over there, so be careful about which thread you're posting in.
Taken from the last thread, thanks @Yar and @Quid.
The Major Players
Some pretty major spoilers here.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xbEhByk4Icg
Some actual characters.
Links
A Wiki of Ice and Fire.
Speculative Map. This is out of date given there's an actual map book, but it's still a great reference.
Game of Thrones (TV Show) Wiki.
Today, his turtles live on die in the lands of Westeros and Essos in the hugely popular A Song of Ice and Fire. The series, originally planned for 7 books, has spawned 5 novels (write faster dammit!), several short stories and novellas, cookbooks, atlases, some other stuff I'm forgetting, and some TV show that no one really watches. Do not go posting spoilers, something you think is a clever hint or foreshadowing in the show thread. Book is a 4 letter word over there, so be careful about which thread you're posting in.
Taken from the last thread, thanks @Yar and @Quid.
#1 rule is no crying about something being spoiled, assuming it's already published material. If you haven't read all the books AND seen every aired show, then you are forbidden from accusing someone else of spoiling something for you. If you're posting an interview with GRRM where he talks about stuff that will happen in Book 6, yeah, that is the very epitome of a spoiler and must be tagged.
#2 rule, less important than #1, is to use your own best judgment and put tags around some things, like maybe details of TRW, or R-L-J theories, or major stuff from Book 5. Definitely anything about a show that hasn't aired (besides what we know from the books), or confirmed plot facts in books not yet published. Someone could very well click this thread by accident instead of the TV one, and they sure has hell don't want to see this in non-tagged form:
(major spoilers from books 3 - 5)Hey, remember when Robb and Catelyn were killed by the Freys, and Sansa married Tyrion, but then Catelyn came back as an evil zombie and Joff chokes to death and Tyrion murders his father, and Jamie sort of becomes a good guy? That was awesome.
#3 rule is to try to do what I did above and preface your spoiler tags with a very brief description of what kind of spoiler it is and about when it occurs in the series.
Like so. Seriously, if you don't want spoilers, don't read this thread. Stop right now cause below this sentence? Thar be spoilers.
The Major Players
Some pretty major spoilers here.
House Targaryen - 300 years ago the last survivors of the Doom of Valyria decided their volcanic island was boring and conquered Westeros with some dragons. They ruled with varying success until one king was a little too crazy for his own good and was cast down in a rebellion led by the Starks and Baratheons. Dany is the last confirmed Targaryen, her story has yet to take her to Westeros. As of the end of book 5 someone at least claiming to be Aegon Targaryen has landed in Westeros, aiming to reclaim the throne.
House Baratheon - Rulers of the Stormlands, Robert Baratheon married Cersei Lannister and took the throne following his rebellion. Now Robert and his youngest brother Renly are dead, and his children aren't actually his. Stannis Baratheon continues to wage a civil war for his claim to the throne in the name of Azor Ahai, a god from Essos. Stannis is aided by Davos Seaworth, a former pirate turned advisor, and Melisandre, a powerful priestess of Azor Ahai.
House Stark - Everything bad happens to the Starks, lords of the North. You start reading the books and you're thinking "here's some protagonists I can really get behind!", then a bunch of them are dead and the rest are in hiding. The kidnapping and killing of some Starks led to Ned Stark helping in Robert's Rebellion. Now the house is considered extinct, all its members either dead, assumed dead, or unable to claim their birthright. The Starks are tied via marriage to the also extinct House Tully of the Riverlands. The torture happy House Bolton has replaced the Starks as the Wardens of the North.
House Lannister - These guys have their own theme song, and they really like hearing it. The Lannisters are masters of using their power and wealth to further themselves, usually at high cost to others. Tommen Lannister Baratheon is currently the King of Westeros, born of an incestuous relationship between Cersei and Jaime Lannister. Tyrion Lannister, arguably the most well known character of the series, is currently in exile in Essos for murdering his father Tywin. While most of the series chronicles their rise to power, by the end of book 5 the surviving members barely hold a rapidly crumbling kingdom.
House Greyjoy - Vikings. That's pretty much it, they raid and pillage and propel other plot elements. Reek, Reek it rhymes with leek/meek/sneak/weak.
House Tyrell - Ruling house of the kingdom's breadbasket, the Tyrells want nothing more than to take the throne. Margaery Tyrell is the current queen of Westeros, and her family has shouldered much of the monumental task of rebuilding the realm following a massive civil war.
House Martell - Rulers of the desert of Dorne, House Martell has the most ties to House Targaryen. Throughout most of the series they are simply mentioned, but through political maneuvering they are quickly forcing their way into main events.
Night's Watch - Defenders of Westeros from the mysterious and evil Others / White Walkers, the Black Brothers guard a massive ice wall far in the North. Under the leadership of Jon Snow the Watch ended its 8000 year old conflict with the Wildings, free people north of the Wall. Forbidden from engaging in the affairs of the rest of the kingdom, the Watch is largely ignored by the rest of the world as most consider the Others nothing more than myth.
Essos - The other continent. The western portion of which is ruled by 9 powerful and always warring city states. The middle portion is controlled by the powerful Dothraki, who are basically the Mongols. Dany Targaryen, Tyrion Lannister and Victarion Greyjoy are all currently in the southern Slaver's Bay, hopefully about to do something.
House Baratheon - Rulers of the Stormlands, Robert Baratheon married Cersei Lannister and took the throne following his rebellion. Now Robert and his youngest brother Renly are dead, and his children aren't actually his. Stannis Baratheon continues to wage a civil war for his claim to the throne in the name of Azor Ahai, a god from Essos. Stannis is aided by Davos Seaworth, a former pirate turned advisor, and Melisandre, a powerful priestess of Azor Ahai.
House Stark - Everything bad happens to the Starks, lords of the North. You start reading the books and you're thinking "here's some protagonists I can really get behind!", then a bunch of them are dead and the rest are in hiding. The kidnapping and killing of some Starks led to Ned Stark helping in Robert's Rebellion. Now the house is considered extinct, all its members either dead, assumed dead, or unable to claim their birthright. The Starks are tied via marriage to the also extinct House Tully of the Riverlands. The torture happy House Bolton has replaced the Starks as the Wardens of the North.
House Lannister - These guys have their own theme song, and they really like hearing it. The Lannisters are masters of using their power and wealth to further themselves, usually at high cost to others. Tommen Lannister Baratheon is currently the King of Westeros, born of an incestuous relationship between Cersei and Jaime Lannister. Tyrion Lannister, arguably the most well known character of the series, is currently in exile in Essos for murdering his father Tywin. While most of the series chronicles their rise to power, by the end of book 5 the surviving members barely hold a rapidly crumbling kingdom.
House Greyjoy - Vikings. That's pretty much it, they raid and pillage and propel other plot elements. Reek, Reek it rhymes with leek/meek/sneak/weak.
House Tyrell - Ruling house of the kingdom's breadbasket, the Tyrells want nothing more than to take the throne. Margaery Tyrell is the current queen of Westeros, and her family has shouldered much of the monumental task of rebuilding the realm following a massive civil war.
House Martell - Rulers of the desert of Dorne, House Martell has the most ties to House Targaryen. Throughout most of the series they are simply mentioned, but through political maneuvering they are quickly forcing their way into main events.
Night's Watch - Defenders of Westeros from the mysterious and evil Others / White Walkers, the Black Brothers guard a massive ice wall far in the North. Under the leadership of Jon Snow the Watch ended its 8000 year old conflict with the Wildings, free people north of the Wall. Forbidden from engaging in the affairs of the rest of the kingdom, the Watch is largely ignored by the rest of the world as most consider the Others nothing more than myth.
Essos - The other continent. The western portion of which is ruled by 9 powerful and always warring city states. The middle portion is controlled by the powerful Dothraki, who are basically the Mongols. Dany Targaryen, Tyrion Lannister and Victarion Greyjoy are all currently in the southern Slaver's Bay, hopefully about to do something.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xbEhByk4IcgSome actual characters.
Links
A Wiki of Ice and Fire.
Speculative Map. This is out of date given there's an actual map book, but it's still a great reference.
Game of Thrones (TV Show) Wiki.
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Until we actually read/see otherwise, that's basically confirmation that R+L=J.
No. It's David Benioff and D. B. Weiss. They're talking about being allowed to actually do the show. GRRM had lots of people asking about it, but thought they could pull it off cause HBO. At the end of a 5+ hour meeting with him, GRRM simply asked them who Jon Snow's real mother was. Benioff and Weiss don't give their answer, but they say that GRRM was satisfied, because he wouldn't let people who hadn't read the books make them into a show. So either they got really lucky guessing one of Ned's versions of the story, or R+L=J is real.
No, it's Weiss and Benioff.
They could have said anything at all. They said 'Educated Guess', not 'The Most Popular Fan Theory'.
Mostly likely the set for the Viper/Mountain duel. It looks gorgeous.
What's the best way for someone to get their hands on the Dunk and Egg stories?
She's going to gain 90 pounds?
They didn't hint at it because that'd make them jerks, they're keeping things on the down-low out of respect for Martin and any non-book readers who might watch that episode (which is specifically about the show).
Two things:
C'mon, who ELSE are they going to discuss, really?
Just because Martin was satisfied with their guess, doesn't mean he confirmed it
Probably, alcohol has calories in it.
They said they were correct.
I think it's all a red herring. It'll be someone unexpected or a commoner.
It's getting pretty obnoxious
I really do love the show keeping the songs in, it adds so much to the world
New Book thread pointless conjecture time:
Jon wargs into Snow. Does heroic deeds to restore the north with Rickon and the Manderlys. A Crow Bran perched on Rickon's shoulder. Story ends with Snow/Jon reliving his berth only to show that he is not only Lyanna's son but the Direwolf who birthed Snow was Lyanna as a warg...
It could happen.
The one I really want is "I Am the Last of the Giants." Considering next season will be very Wildling/Watch heavy, I think it might be more appropriate. Maybe they could put it in the credits of the episode where Ygritte dies.
Although it might confuse people since I don't think we'll have an opportunity to see another giant until after Ygritte dies, so people will be all, "But I thought that one giant was the last...", because they know nothing.
1. I've clearly stop
2. I was continuing a conversation that was already going on.
So don't fucking blame that shit entirely on me.
Book Five didn't exactly leave me salivating at the thought of more Ice & Fire the way books 3 and 4 did, but between now and sometime in 2014 when Book Six drops, I may start jonesing for more of that world. And all set in Westeros would be a huge plus, of course. None of the free cities, please. Valyria and Sothyros sound interesting, but Slaver's Bay is just a bunch of stupid clay bricks and fucking 'shavepates.' Oh, really, they eat dogs? Mention that for like the nine hundred millionth time, George, I didn't quite wrap my head around it until literally just now. Please, tell me more."
They're a lot of fun though
Thanks, I'll try to track them down. Amazon has a Kindle listing for The Hedge Knight that people are saying should be a compilation, but we'll see. The actual books seem to be fairly light on the ground, shall we say.
Aemon Targaryen as a lad tearing around Westeros, full of piss and vinegar, has got to be worth the price of admission, either way.
Spoilers for, oh, about 3/4 through the first one.
Yup; Best Adapted Screenplay Oscar-Winning Jim Rash. I've watched the New Girl episode of The Writer's Room and it's a good show. They did one for Dexter too, which I haven't seen but I'd be amazed if anyone there could keep a straight face.
Yeah, as long as they gave one of the actual names of Jon's possible mothers I'm sure GRRM would have been happy. He just wanted to make sure they had actually read the books. Though everyone knows R+L=J is real.
I know it's hard but honestly just don't take part in speculation in the TV thread.
it's just easiest
He'd have to introduce some all new magic for that to happen, which he seems pretty hesitant on.
I really like another song of hers called Let it End. I think she wrote it, but I may be wrong.
New thread smell is a good smell. Welcome back, fellow literates. I have missed you.
So far there's no sign of a flaming sword aside from Longclaw, though.
Davos saved everyone.
more importantly, their answer could have been, "it doesn't matter".
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