On the plus side, with no third party games to buy, I'm gonna save so much money this generation.
You'd save even more money by quitting video games altogether. I'm not sure why you keep bringing this up.
Also, this comment wasn't necessary. We all have our own preferences in what we play. If a company we prefer isn't doing well, we tend to find a positive way to look at it.
Throwing snide comments at other people because their opinion differs from you is goosery of the highest order.
Eh, are any of our comments really necessary? I'm not saying the tone of the thread shouldn't be positive, but you don't need to overcompensate and spin every negative little nugget of news into something positive. The discussion ends up devolving into a circlejerk.
The discussion ends up devolving into a circlejerk.
Who's to say the reverse of that, stuff like randomly telling someone else to stop playing video games, isn't also a devolution? You consider that a valuable addition to the discussion, one of the few things keeping the thread from devolving?
Positivity is generally a good thing, I would say. Not a devolution.
What?? Haven't you heard? The console is selling like shit so you clearly can't like it.
Besides, Mario? Who the fuck likes Mario anymore? He hasn't had a fresh idea since Super Mario World.
The only thing that can save the Wii U is a gritty online-competitive-only Metroid FPS free-to-play title.
What about a Metroid with a pursuit mode? Where one player is Dark Samus and is following the other player who is regular Samus as they play through the game, trying to hunt them down before they accrue enough power-ups to be a threat?
I just want them to announce that for Mario Kart 8 they're adding Link on an Epona-cart and Samus on her ship-cart. Just go full Smash Bros on it, no reason not to.
I just want them to announce that for Mario Kart 8 they're adding Link on an Epona-cart and Samus on her ship-cart. Just go full Smash Bros on it, no reason not to.
Because it's Mario Kart and not Nintendo Kart?
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I just want them to announce that for Mario Kart 8 they're adding Link on an Epona-cart and Samus on her ship-cart. Just go full Smash Bros on it, no reason not to.
Because it's Mario Kart and not Nintendo Kart?
Yeah, that's the megaton. Next Direct they show the game name and tear off the "Mario" part, revealing "Nintendo" underneath. Or "Smash" or whatever they want.
Not really. I assume you'd say the same thing at the prospect of adding to Smash, if Smash had just been Mario franchise characters the whole time too.
22% of the characters in Brawl have appeared in Mario Kart. You've already got two Nintendo franchises there (Mario and DK) and Miis and Pac Man have both appeared in Kart as well. Not a stretch at all!
It's like saying Sonic All Stars should've stuck to just Sonic.
Not really. I assume you'd say the same thing at the prospect of adding to Smash, if Smash had just been Mario franchise characters the whole time too.
22% of the characters in Brawl have appeared in Mario Kart. You've already got two Nintendo franchises there (Mario and DK) and Miis and Pac Man have both appeared in Kart as well. Not a stretch at all!
It's like saying Sonic All Stars should've stuck to just Sonic.
No, I mean, Smash Kart sounds like a game in which you smash karts. A demolition derby kind of game, as opposed to racing.
Not really. I assume you'd say the same thing at the prospect of adding to Smash, if Smash had just been Mario franchise characters the whole time too.
22% of the characters in Brawl have appeared in Mario Kart. You've already got two Nintendo franchises there (Mario and DK) and Miis and Pac Man have both appeared in Kart as well. Not a stretch at all!
It's like saying Sonic All Stars should've stuck to just Sonic.
I like to believe all the Mario games are canon and it's part of an epic tale about the Mushroom Kingdom. Obviously, it paints Bowser as a tragic character, cursed with bipolar disorder; one day trying to kill Mario, the next he's joining him for lighthearted games of tennis and go-karting.
So we can't throw Link in the mix, that would ruin the story!
I just want them to announce that for Mario Kart 8 they're adding Link on an Epona-cart and Samus on her ship-cart. Just go full Smash Bros on it, no reason not to.
Because it's Mario Kart and not Nintendo Kart?
Having other Nintendo characters in Mario Kart is really the only thing that would get me to buy it at this point. Imagine a smash game with just mario characters, it would be bland as shit.
I just want them to announce that for Mario Kart 8 they're adding Link on an Epona-cart and Samus on her ship-cart. Just go full Smash Bros on it, no reason not to.
Because it's Mario Kart and not Nintendo Kart?
Having other Nintendo characters in Mario Kart is really the only thing that would get me to buy it at this point. Imagine a smash game with just mario characters, it would be bland as shit.
That's perfectly fine. I'll be playing and enjoying the hell out of it.
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I just want them to announce that for Mario Kart 8 they're adding Link on an Epona-cart and Samus on her ship-cart. Just go full Smash Bros on it, no reason not to.
Nintendo: We need some FPS games! Not enough of those in the world!
I know you are being sarcastic, but this is how I see it actually happening:
Gamers: "Hey Nintendo, I'd buy a Wii U if you ever made a good FPS/mature/GTA style game.
Nintendo: "We have the ones you're thinking of. Call of Duty: Ghosts, and Watch_Dogs I believe they are called. Please buy a Wii U!"
Gamers: "No, no, no... we want YOU to make a FPS/mature/GTA style game. YOU Nintendo! I'm buying CoD and Watchdogs on my Xbox 360!"
Nintendo: "Isn't that what third parties are for? Making games like that so we don't have to?"
Gamers: "Yeah, why don't you have more third party games! I'll buy a Wii U when you get the third party games I want."
Nintendo: "Oh, I see. We have the ones you're thinking of. Call of Duty: Ghosts, and Watch_Dogs I believe they are called. Please buy a Wii U!"
Gamers: "NO!!! I WANT THOSE BUT NOT ON WII U! I WANT NEW, ORIGINAL IP, MATURE FPS OR MATURE GTA STYLE GAMES ON WII U BEFORE I GET A WII U!"
Nintendo: "Umm... so we wasted our time getting those games on our platform?"
Gamers: "Look Nintendo here's the deal. No matter what you do, I will only buy a Nintendo system to play Nintendo-made games. But I also want Call of Duty type games. So YOU, NINTENDO, need to make those types of games for me. Because I won't buy third party games on your system even if they are the games I want. And since you don't have the right IP characters to use for that (although Metroid and Star Fox are close enough, if you REALLY need to use them), I also expect these new mature games to come hand-in-hand with a brand new beloved set of characters and worlds that you can milk until I get bored of them."
Nintendo: "Wouldn't it just be easier if you bought CoD and Watch_Dogs on Wii U? Those are the games you actually want to play anyway, and we did go to the trouble of putting them on the system for you, and I know Activision and Ubisoft have great ideas for the Gamepad..."
Gamers: "NO! WHY WOULD I BUY A WII U JUST TO PLAY EXCELLENT THIRD PARTY GAMES AND NINTENDO-MADE EXCLUSIVES, WHEN I COULD JUST BUY THOSE THIRD PARTY GAMES FOR MY XBOX AND HOPE YOU GO OUT OF BUSINESS SO I CAN PLAY MARIO ON MY XBOX TOO??? WHY DON'T YOU UNDERSTAND OUR LOGIC! LISTEN TO YOUR CUSTOMERS!!!"
Nintendo: "Umm... It's all Nintendo of Japan's fault? Or something? HEY LOOK OVER THERE! POKEMON X&Y!"
Nintendo runs away crying...
Gamers: "Hey everyone! Nintendo sucks! They are going to pull a SEGA and go third-party! *crosses fingers*"
Third parties: "Seems like the Wii U isn't popular, so I'm just going to not waste my money adding this multiplayer mode for the Wii U version of my new FPS/mature/GTA style game."
Third parties: "Looks like our new game didn't sell that great on Wii U! Shouldn't have wasted all that money making the last 4 levels of the single player campain on that version. Better focus on Xbox One development..."
Gamers: "OHHH SWEET XBOX ONE WITH PORTS OF ALL THE 360 GAMES I'VE BEEN WANTING ALL YEAR! LIKE CALL OF DUTY AND WATCH DOGS! LOL YOU KIDS AND YOUR KIDDY WII U!"
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Nintendo: We need some FPS games! Not enough of those in the world!
I know you are being sarcastic, but this is how I see it actually happening:
Gamers: "Hey Nintendo, I'd buy a Wii U if you ever made a good FPS/mature/GTA style game.
Nintendo: "We have the ones you're thinking of. Call of Duty: Ghosts, and Watch_Dogs I believe they are called. Please buy a Wii U!"
Gamers: "No, no, no... we want YOU to make a FPS/mature/GTA style game. YOU Nintendo! I'm buying CoD and Watchdogs on my Xbox 360!"
Nintendo: "Isn't that what third parties are for? Making games like that so we don't have to?"
Gamers: "Yeah, why don't you have more third party games! I'll buy a Wii U when you get the third party games I want."
Nintendo: "Oh, I see. We have the ones you're thinking of. Call of Duty: Ghosts, and Watch_Dogs I believe they are called. Please buy a Wii U!"
Gamers: "NO!!! I WANT THOSE BUT NOT ON WII U! I WANT NEW, ORIGINAL IP, MATURE FPS OR MATURE GTA STYLE GAMES ON WII U BEFORE I GET A WII U!"
Nintendo: "Umm... so we wasted our time getting those games on our platform?"
Gamers: "Look Nintendo here's the deal. No matter what you do, I will only buy a Nintendo system to play Nintendo-made games. But I also want Call of Duty type games. So YOU, NINTENDO, need to make those types of games for me. Because I won't buy third party games on your system even if they are the games I want. And since you don't have the right IP characters to use for that (although Metroid and Star Fox are close enough, if you REALLY need to use them), I also expect these new mature games to come hand-in-hand with a brand new beloved set of characters and worlds that you can milk until I get bored of them."
Nintendo: "Wouldn't it just be easier if you bought CoD and Watch_Dogs on Wii U? Those are the games you actually want to play anyway, and we did go to the trouble of putting them on the system for you, and I know Activision and Ubisoft have great ideas for the Gamepad..."
Gamers: "NO! WHY WOULD I BUY A WII U JUST TO PLAY EXCELLENT THIRD PARTY GAMES AND NINTENDO-MADE EXCLUSIVES, WHEN I COULD JUST BUY THOSE THIRD PARTY GAMES FOR MY XBOX AND HOPE YOU GO OUT OF BUSINESS SO I CAN PLAY MARIO ON MY XBOX TOO??? WHY DON'T YOU UNDERSTAND OUR LOGIC! LISTEN TO YOUR CUSTOMERS!!!"
Nintendo: "Umm... It's all Nintendo of Japan's fault? Or something? HEY LOOK OVER THERE! POKEMON X&Y!"
Nintendo runs away crying...
Gamers: "Hey everyone! Nintendo sucks! They are going to pull a SEGA and go third-party! *crosses fingers*"
Third parties: "Seems like the Wii U isn't popular, so I'm just going to not waste my money adding this multiplayer mode for the Wii U version of my new FPS/mature/GTA style game."
Third parties: "Looks like our new game didn't sell that great on Wii U! Shouldn't have wasted all that money making the last 4 levels of the single player campain on that version. Better focus on Xbox One development..."
Gamers: "OHHH SWEET XBOX ONE WITH PORTS OF ALL THE 360 GAMES I'VE BEEN WANTING ALL YEAR! LIKE CALL OF DUTY AND WATCH DOGS! LOL YOU KIDS AND YOUR KIDDY WII U!"
Well, maybe if they would have made a system that could compete spec wise with the other consoles of the generation that they are part of they wouldn't have had to compete for third party games with 7-8 year old consoles that people already own.
What incentive does someone who's had a 360 for 5 years have to buy a Wii U over a PS4 if what they're interested in is 3rd party games? This is where Nintendo playing it "safe" with the hardware is coming to bite them in the ass. And while people can try to spin it as being entitled consumers or whatever it is you're trying to do in your post, what it comes down to is Nintendo read the market completely wrong so far with the Wii U. Surprisingly people didn't want third party games that were only on par with the previous generation's versions of the same games but on a Nintendo platform.
Nintendo: We need some FPS games! Not enough of those in the world!
I know you are being sarcastic, but this is how I see it actually happening:
Gamers: "Hey Nintendo, I'd buy a Wii U if you ever made a good FPS/mature/GTA style game.
Nintendo: "We have the ones you're thinking of. Call of Duty: Ghosts, and Watch_Dogs I believe they are called. Please buy a Wii U!"
Gamers: "No, no, no... we want YOU to make a FPS/mature/GTA style game. YOU Nintendo! I'm buying CoD and Watchdogs on my Xbox 360!"
Nintendo: "Isn't that what third parties are for? Making games like that so we don't have to?"
Gamers: "Yeah, why don't you have more third party games! I'll buy a Wii U when you get the third party games I want."
Nintendo: "Oh, I see. We have the ones you're thinking of. Call of Duty: Ghosts, and Watch_Dogs I believe they are called. Please buy a Wii U!"
Gamers: "NO!!! I WANT THOSE BUT NOT ON WII U! I WANT NEW, ORIGINAL IP, MATURE FPS OR MATURE GTA STYLE GAMES ON WII U BEFORE I GET A WII U!"
Nintendo: "Umm... so we wasted our time getting those games on our platform?"
Gamers: "Look Nintendo here's the deal. No matter what you do, I will only buy a Nintendo system to play Nintendo-made games. But I also want Call of Duty type games. So YOU, NINTENDO, need to make those types of games for me. Because I won't buy third party games on your system even if they are the games I want. And since you don't have the right IP characters to use for that (although Metroid and Star Fox are close enough, if you REALLY need to use them), I also expect these new mature games to come hand-in-hand with a brand new beloved set of characters and worlds that you can milk until I get bored of them."
Nintendo: "Wouldn't it just be easier if you bought CoD and Watch_Dogs on Wii U? Those are the games you actually want to play anyway, and we did go to the trouble of putting them on the system for you, and I know Activision and Ubisoft have great ideas for the Gamepad..."
Gamers: "NO! WHY WOULD I BUY A WII U JUST TO PLAY EXCELLENT THIRD PARTY GAMES AND NINTENDO-MADE EXCLUSIVES, WHEN I COULD JUST BUY THOSE THIRD PARTY GAMES FOR MY XBOX AND HOPE YOU GO OUT OF BUSINESS SO I CAN PLAY MARIO ON MY XBOX TOO??? WHY DON'T YOU UNDERSTAND OUR LOGIC! LISTEN TO YOUR CUSTOMERS!!!"
Nintendo: "Umm... It's all Nintendo of Japan's fault? Or something? HEY LOOK OVER THERE! POKEMON X&Y!"
Nintendo runs away crying...
Gamers: "Hey everyone! Nintendo sucks! They are going to pull a SEGA and go third-party! *crosses fingers*"
Third parties: "Seems like the Wii U isn't popular, so I'm just going to not waste my money adding this multiplayer mode for the Wii U version of my new FPS/mature/GTA style game."
Third parties: "Looks like our new game didn't sell that great on Wii U! Shouldn't have wasted all that money making the last 4 levels of the single player campain on that version. Better focus on Xbox One development..."
Gamers: "OHHH SWEET XBOX ONE WITH PORTS OF ALL THE 360 GAMES I'VE BEEN WANTING ALL YEAR! LIKE CALL OF DUTY AND WATCH DOGS! LOL YOU KIDS AND YOUR KIDDY WII U!"
Well, maybe if they would have made a system that could compete spec wise with the other consoles of the generation that they are part of they wouldn't have had to compete for third party games with 7-8 year old consoles that people already own.
What incentive does someone who's had a 360 for 5 years have to buy a Wii U over a PS4 if what they're interested in is 3rd party games? This is where Nintendo playing it "safe" with the hardware is coming to bite them in the ass. And while people can try to spin it as being entitled consumers or whatever it is you're trying to do in your post, what it comes down to is Nintendo read the market completely wrong so far with the Wii U. Surprisingly people didn't want third party games that were only on par with the previous generation's versions of the same games but on a Nintendo platform.
The thing is...Nintendo just had incredible success with what you're implying is short-sightedness, with the Wii.
Not only that but their last two handhelds have been, in general, less powerful than the competitions, and smartphones, but have both been major successes; not to mention their handhelds have pretty much always been pretty behind current tech that people are using on PC's and home consoles, and they've never done anything but reign in that market.
Folks acting like it was obvious that a middle-ground move with the WiiU was bad are full of it, really; because that opinion itself is contrary to actual history.
Nintendo: We need some FPS games! Not enough of those in the world!
I know you are being sarcastic, but this is how I see it actually happening:
Gamers: "Hey Nintendo, I'd buy a Wii U if you ever made a good FPS/mature/GTA style game.
Nintendo: "We have the ones you're thinking of. Call of Duty: Ghosts, and Watch_Dogs I believe they are called. Please buy a Wii U!"
Gamers: "No, no, no... we want YOU to make a FPS/mature/GTA style game. YOU Nintendo! I'm buying CoD and Watchdogs on my Xbox 360!"
Nintendo: "Isn't that what third parties are for? Making games like that so we don't have to?"
Gamers: "Yeah, why don't you have more third party games! I'll buy a Wii U when you get the third party games I want."
Nintendo: "Oh, I see. We have the ones you're thinking of. Call of Duty: Ghosts, and Watch_Dogs I believe they are called. Please buy a Wii U!"
Gamers: "NO!!! I WANT THOSE BUT NOT ON WII U! I WANT NEW, ORIGINAL IP, MATURE FPS OR MATURE GTA STYLE GAMES ON WII U BEFORE I GET A WII U!"
Nintendo: "Umm... so we wasted our time getting those games on our platform?"
Gamers: "Look Nintendo here's the deal. No matter what you do, I will only buy a Nintendo system to play Nintendo-made games. But I also want Call of Duty type games. So YOU, NINTENDO, need to make those types of games for me. Because I won't buy third party games on your system even if they are the games I want. And since you don't have the right IP characters to use for that (although Metroid and Star Fox are close enough, if you REALLY need to use them), I also expect these new mature games to come hand-in-hand with a brand new beloved set of characters and worlds that you can milk until I get bored of them."
Nintendo: "Wouldn't it just be easier if you bought CoD and Watch_Dogs on Wii U? Those are the games you actually want to play anyway, and we did go to the trouble of putting them on the system for you, and I know Activision and Ubisoft have great ideas for the Gamepad..."
Gamers: "NO! WHY WOULD I BUY A WII U JUST TO PLAY EXCELLENT THIRD PARTY GAMES AND NINTENDO-MADE EXCLUSIVES, WHEN I COULD JUST BUY THOSE THIRD PARTY GAMES FOR MY XBOX AND HOPE YOU GO OUT OF BUSINESS SO I CAN PLAY MARIO ON MY XBOX TOO??? WHY DON'T YOU UNDERSTAND OUR LOGIC! LISTEN TO YOUR CUSTOMERS!!!"
Nintendo: "Umm... It's all Nintendo of Japan's fault? Or something? HEY LOOK OVER THERE! POKEMON X&Y!"
Nintendo runs away crying...
Gamers: "Hey everyone! Nintendo sucks! They are going to pull a SEGA and go third-party! *crosses fingers*"
Third parties: "Seems like the Wii U isn't popular, so I'm just going to not waste my money adding this multiplayer mode for the Wii U version of my new FPS/mature/GTA style game."
Third parties: "Looks like our new game didn't sell that great on Wii U! Shouldn't have wasted all that money making the last 4 levels of the single player campain on that version. Better focus on Xbox One development..."
Gamers: "OHHH SWEET XBOX ONE WITH PORTS OF ALL THE 360 GAMES I'VE BEEN WANTING ALL YEAR! LIKE CALL OF DUTY AND WATCH DOGS! LOL YOU KIDS AND YOUR KIDDY WII U!"
Well, maybe if they would have made a system that could compete spec wise with the other consoles of the generation that they are part of they wouldn't have had to compete for third party games with 7-8 year old consoles that people already own.
What incentive does someone who's had a 360 for 5 years have to buy a Wii U over a PS4 if what they're interested in is 3rd party games? This is where Nintendo playing it "safe" with the hardware is coming to bite them in the ass. And while people can try to spin it as being entitled consumers or whatever it is you're trying to do in your post, what it comes down to is Nintendo read the market completely wrong so far with the Wii U. Surprisingly people didn't want third party games that were only on par with the previous generation's versions of the same games but on a Nintendo platform.
The thing is...Nintendo just had incredible success with what you're implying is short-sightedness, with the Wii.
Not only that but their last two handhelds have been, in general, less powerful than the competitions, and smartphones, but have both been major successes.
Folks acting like it was obvious that a middle-ground move with the WiiU was bad are full of it, really; because that opinion itself is contrary to actual history.
It still boils down to Nintendo reading the market completely wrong. It still boils down to Nintendo not understanding what ended up selling the Wii in droves and that those people wouldn't be here this time around, no matter how many tablets you throw at them. They made a machine that is much more catered to traditional games control wise, without making it powerful enough for modern traditional games. Any loss of third party games because of lack of sales stems from that, not whiny consumers. Nintendo has to sell consumers and third parties on their product. So far they haven't.
And no, it was pretty damned obvious to me at how the Wii U would preform. In fact, I was saying this exact thing would happen well before the release of the system. It is incredibly short sighted to assume that the major surge of consumers from last generation are going to stick with you out of some sort of loyalty to your company for next generation. That has only happened once in console history as far as I know, and it was for Sony, not Nintendo... and it wasn't out of brand loyalty.
I mean, I'm not trying to be a dick or anything, but the last thing anyone should be doing is blaming the Wii U's current state on consumers. They didn't design/market/produce the system. And they have no obligation to buy it.
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Eh, are any of our comments really necessary? I'm not saying the tone of the thread shouldn't be positive, but you don't need to overcompensate and spin every negative little nugget of news into something positive. The discussion ends up devolving into a circlejerk.
What?? Haven't you heard? The console is selling like shit so you clearly can't like it.
Besides, Mario? Who the fuck likes Mario anymore? He hasn't had a fresh idea since Super Mario World.
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The only thing that can save the Wii U is a gritty online-competitive-only Metroid FPS free-to-play title.
Who's to say the reverse of that, stuff like randomly telling someone else to stop playing video games, isn't also a devolution? You consider that a valuable addition to the discussion, one of the few things keeping the thread from devolving?
Positivity is generally a good thing, I would say. Not a devolution.
What about a Metroid with a pursuit mode? Where one player is Dark Samus and is following the other player who is regular Samus as they play through the game, trying to hunt them down before they accrue enough power-ups to be a threat?
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No lie, I would buy that.
I'd suggest a Kid Icarus minigame, but really, I can't think of much better than the multiplayer already on Uprising.
We're trying to save the Wii U here. Why would the game have Samus or Space Pirates in it?
Next you'll probably suggest having Metroids in it.
Go to the science lab to pick up upgrades.
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Because it's Mario Kart and not Nintendo Kart?
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Give characters Double-Dash-sytle unique pickups.
Yeah, that's the megaton. Next Direct they show the game name and tear off the "Mario" part, revealing "Nintendo" underneath. Or "Smash" or whatever they want.
22% of the characters in Brawl have appeared in Mario Kart. You've already got two Nintendo franchises there (Mario and DK) and Miis and Pac Man have both appeared in Kart as well. Not a stretch at all!
It's like saying Sonic All Stars should've stuck to just Sonic.
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No, I mean, Smash Kart sounds like a game in which you smash karts. A demolition derby kind of game, as opposed to racing.
I laughed out loud. I believe that's called LOL these days?
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I like to believe all the Mario games are canon and it's part of an epic tale about the Mushroom Kingdom. Obviously, it paints Bowser as a tragic character, cursed with bipolar disorder; one day trying to kill Mario, the next he's joining him for lighthearted games of tennis and go-karting.
So we can't throw Link in the mix, that would ruin the story!
So no it couldn't just have Sonic.
Having other Nintendo characters in Mario Kart is really the only thing that would get me to buy it at this point. Imagine a smash game with just mario characters, it would be bland as shit.
That's perfectly fine. I'll be playing and enjoying the hell out of it.
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I had intentions on returning it, but I spontaneously opened it, and I immediately regretting doing so.
The paint job on Ganondorf is just bad. Really bad. And the figure itself feels super flimsy.
I'm thinking I'll probably keep the actual game but sell the figure online.
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I think you mean Super Smash Kart
Which would be amazing.
I know you are being sarcastic, but this is how I see it actually happening:
Gamers: "Hey Nintendo, I'd buy a Wii U if you ever made a good FPS/mature/GTA style game.
Nintendo: "We have the ones you're thinking of. Call of Duty: Ghosts, and Watch_Dogs I believe they are called. Please buy a Wii U!"
Gamers: "No, no, no... we want YOU to make a FPS/mature/GTA style game. YOU Nintendo! I'm buying CoD and Watchdogs on my Xbox 360!"
Nintendo: "Isn't that what third parties are for? Making games like that so we don't have to?"
Gamers: "Yeah, why don't you have more third party games! I'll buy a Wii U when you get the third party games I want."
Nintendo: "Oh, I see. We have the ones you're thinking of. Call of Duty: Ghosts, and Watch_Dogs I believe they are called. Please buy a Wii U!"
Gamers: "NO!!! I WANT THOSE BUT NOT ON WII U! I WANT NEW, ORIGINAL IP, MATURE FPS OR MATURE GTA STYLE GAMES ON WII U BEFORE I GET A WII U!"
Nintendo: "Umm... so we wasted our time getting those games on our platform?"
Gamers: "Look Nintendo here's the deal. No matter what you do, I will only buy a Nintendo system to play Nintendo-made games. But I also want Call of Duty type games. So YOU, NINTENDO, need to make those types of games for me. Because I won't buy third party games on your system even if they are the games I want. And since you don't have the right IP characters to use for that (although Metroid and Star Fox are close enough, if you REALLY need to use them), I also expect these new mature games to come hand-in-hand with a brand new beloved set of characters and worlds that you can milk until I get bored of them."
Nintendo: "Wouldn't it just be easier if you bought CoD and Watch_Dogs on Wii U? Those are the games you actually want to play anyway, and we did go to the trouble of putting them on the system for you, and I know Activision and Ubisoft have great ideas for the Gamepad..."
Gamers: "NO! WHY WOULD I BUY A WII U JUST TO PLAY EXCELLENT THIRD PARTY GAMES AND NINTENDO-MADE EXCLUSIVES, WHEN I COULD JUST BUY THOSE THIRD PARTY GAMES FOR MY XBOX AND HOPE YOU GO OUT OF BUSINESS SO I CAN PLAY MARIO ON MY XBOX TOO??? WHY DON'T YOU UNDERSTAND OUR LOGIC! LISTEN TO YOUR CUSTOMERS!!!"
Nintendo: "Umm... It's all Nintendo of Japan's fault? Or something? HEY LOOK OVER THERE! POKEMON X&Y!"
Nintendo runs away crying...
Gamers: "Hey everyone! Nintendo sucks! They are going to pull a SEGA and go third-party! *crosses fingers*"
Third parties: "Seems like the Wii U isn't popular, so I'm just going to not waste my money adding this multiplayer mode for the Wii U version of my new FPS/mature/GTA style game."
Third parties: "Looks like our new game didn't sell that great on Wii U! Shouldn't have wasted all that money making the last 4 levels of the single player campain on that version. Better focus on Xbox One development..."
Gamers: "OHHH SWEET XBOX ONE WITH PORTS OF ALL THE 360 GAMES I'VE BEEN WANTING ALL YEAR! LIKE CALL OF DUTY AND WATCH DOGS! LOL YOU KIDS AND YOUR KIDDY WII U!"
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Well, maybe if they would have made a system that could compete spec wise with the other consoles of the generation that they are part of they wouldn't have had to compete for third party games with 7-8 year old consoles that people already own.
What incentive does someone who's had a 360 for 5 years have to buy a Wii U over a PS4 if what they're interested in is 3rd party games? This is where Nintendo playing it "safe" with the hardware is coming to bite them in the ass. And while people can try to spin it as being entitled consumers or whatever it is you're trying to do in your post, what it comes down to is Nintendo read the market completely wrong so far with the Wii U. Surprisingly people didn't want third party games that were only on par with the previous generation's versions of the same games but on a Nintendo platform.
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The thing is...Nintendo just had incredible success with what you're implying is short-sightedness, with the Wii.
Not only that but their last two handhelds have been, in general, less powerful than the competitions, and smartphones, but have both been major successes; not to mention their handhelds have pretty much always been pretty behind current tech that people are using on PC's and home consoles, and they've never done anything but reign in that market.
Folks acting like it was obvious that a middle-ground move with the WiiU was bad are full of it, really; because that opinion itself is contrary to actual history.
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It still boils down to Nintendo reading the market completely wrong. It still boils down to Nintendo not understanding what ended up selling the Wii in droves and that those people wouldn't be here this time around, no matter how many tablets you throw at them. They made a machine that is much more catered to traditional games control wise, without making it powerful enough for modern traditional games. Any loss of third party games because of lack of sales stems from that, not whiny consumers. Nintendo has to sell consumers and third parties on their product. So far they haven't.
And no, it was pretty damned obvious to me at how the Wii U would preform. In fact, I was saying this exact thing would happen well before the release of the system. It is incredibly short sighted to assume that the major surge of consumers from last generation are going to stick with you out of some sort of loyalty to your company for next generation. That has only happened once in console history as far as I know, and it was for Sony, not Nintendo... and it wasn't out of brand loyalty.
I mean, I'm not trying to be a dick or anything, but the last thing anyone should be doing is blaming the Wii U's current state on consumers. They didn't design/market/produce the system. And they have no obligation to buy it.