i don't see what's so hard about teaching black kids
all we have to do is to send a mid-20's white lady in there, she fails horribly, decides to give it one more try and the kids teach her the dance of their people while she teaches them the beauty of poetry and everyone grows as a result
Btw, tfa boot camp is only
5 weeks of training most of which is in the classroom and they outperform specialized
Degree teachers on every metric you can think of.
How about metric metric?
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Well, that's the thing. Maybe more of them don't even bother taking the test, whereas in a public school, you're kinda peer pressured into it.
I mean sure, there are probably nobel prize winning upper middle class single income families where the instructor parent takes their kids on the magic school bus of learning and academic excellence, but Im willing to bet they are greatly outnumbered by backwoods yokels that dont want the devil putting ideas in their precious Jimmy Dean's brain noodle.
Yeah, so it turns out you're exactly backwards about everything you wrote here!
People in public school are not peer pressured to take the SATs - it's just the opposite, outside the subset of high-achievers.
Nobel prize winners send their kids to private academies and don't take huge amounts of time to homeschool their kids, because they're busy winning nobel prizes for shit at their jobs.
Backwoods yokels similarly don't have time to homeschool much because lol economy + poverty
Most homeschoolers are middle-class families where one parent raises the kids and for one reason or another (mostly either religious or 'all my schools are hella terrible') decide to do it themselves.
Lots of times now they band together and do ad-hoc school, often taught by people who have expertise in their fields rather than by people who have expertise in getting a shitty degree in 'education'.
Ah yes, because it's not like being able to instruct people is its own skill set. I'm tired of the shitting on education as a skillset. And
1: it's a subset. Without a grasp of the subject, the best teacher will be ineffective.
2: a degree in English doesn't really guarantee that you either know about literature or can teach it. A degree in education doesn't really guarantee that you know about education or can teach others, but it pretty well does guarantee that you don't know very much about literature. Or math or physics or chemistry.
No, it's not a subset. It's a separate skillset that is just as necessary to be an effective instructor. There are many people who are skilled in some subject, but don't have the skills to be an effective teacher.
It is true that there are many skilled people who cannot teach. This is not because they needed to spend years learning how to teach instead of learning their skill. It is because they haven't spent the far-shorter-than-a-4-year-degree-track amount of time it would take to learn how to teach the thing they are already very good at.
Teaching is a skill in the same way that diving is a skill. Not in the same way that Chemical Engineering is.
i don't believe you're right about this
teaching children well is really difficult.
teaching your coworker a thing that you understand that you're both coming at from a basis of common understanding and motivation is incredibly different from teaching a group of children a thing that you understand so fundamentally that it's built into the way you understand the world, but that they don't know at all.
I can accept this. However, teaching young kids requires a grasp of the subject matter that is far less extensive than teaching high school or college.
If I had the skillset to be a teacher, I could teach 3rd grade math. I can do 3rd grade math all day long usually!
I will modify my position and say that child development and teaching as a skillset requiring multiple years of training is useful and desirable for elementary grades.
right i mean
i know enough about literature to teach high school english classes, probably
but it doesn't mean that i could teach high school english classes
high school maybe requires more subject matter expertise and maybe less childhood development and socialization and pedagogy
since presumably by HS kids are mostly socialized and understand how to sit at their desks and take a test without biting each other
but really there are other challenges.
by college they just kind of assume that grad students and people with doctorates can teach things to young adults
and usually - lets be frank - they suck at it way worse that public school teachers even though they know their subjects better than anyone
i don't see what's so hard about teaching black kids
all we have to do is to send a mid-20's white lady in there, she fails horribly, decides to give it one more try and the kids teach her the dance of their people while she teaches them the beauty of poetry and everyone grows as a result
Make this a film
how many times
Until the people of Ukraine live in a post racial America
Well, that's the thing. Maybe more of them don't even bother taking the test, whereas in a public school, you're kinda peer pressured into it.
I mean sure, there are probably nobel prize winning upper middle class single income families where the instructor parent takes their kids on the magic school bus of learning and academic excellence, but Im willing to bet they are greatly outnumbered by backwoods yokels that dont want the devil putting ideas in their precious Jimmy Dean's brain noodle.
Yeah, so it turns out you're exactly backwards about everything you wrote here!
People in public school are not peer pressured to take the SATs - it's just the opposite, outside the subset of high-achievers.
Nobel prize winners send their kids to private academies and don't take huge amounts of time to homeschool their kids, because they're busy winning nobel prizes for shit at their jobs.
Backwoods yokels similarly don't have time to homeschool much because lol economy + poverty
Most homeschoolers are middle-class families where one parent raises the kids and for one reason or another (mostly either religious or 'all my schools are hella terrible') decide to do it themselves.
Lots of times now they band together and do ad-hoc school, often taught by people who have expertise in their fields rather than by people who have expertise in getting a shitty degree in 'education'.
Ah yes, because it's not like being able to instruct people is its own skill set. I'm tired of the shitting on education as a skillset. And
1: it's a subset. Without a grasp of the subject, the best teacher will be ineffective.
2: a degree in English doesn't really guarantee that you either know about literature or can teach it. A degree in education doesn't really guarantee that you know about education or can teach others, but it pretty well does guarantee that you don't know very much about literature. Or math or physics or chemistry.
No, it's not a subset. It's a separate skillset that is just as necessary to be an effective instructor. There are many people who are skilled in some subject, but don't have the skills to be an effective teacher.
It is true that there are many skilled people who cannot teach. This is not because they needed to spend years learning how to teach instead of learning their skill. It is because they haven't spent the far-shorter-than-a-4-year-degree-track amount of time it would take to learn how to teach the thing they are already very good at.
Teaching is a skill in the same way that diving is a skill. Not in the same way that Chemical Engineering is.
i don't believe you're right about this
teaching children well is really difficult.
teaching your coworker a thing that you understand that you're both coming at from a basis of common understanding and motivation is incredibly different from teaching a group of children a thing that you understand so fundamentally that it's built into the way you understand the world, but that they don't know at all.
I can accept this. However, teaching young kids requires a grasp of the subject matter that is far less extensive than teaching high school or college.
If I had the skillset to be a teacher, I could teach 3rd grade math. I can do 3rd grade math all day long usually!
I will modify my position and say that child development and teaching as a skillset requiring multiple years of training is useful and desirable for elementary grades.
right i mean
i know enough about literature to teach high school english classes, probably
but it doesn't mean that i could teach high school english classes
high school maybe requires more subject matter expertise and maybe less childhood development and socialization and pedagogy
since presumably by HS kids are mostly socialized and understand how to sit at their desks and take a test without biting each other
but really there are other challenges.
by college they just kind of assume that grad students and people with doctorates can teach things to young adults
and usually - lets be frank - they suck at it way worse that public school teachers even though they know their subjects better than anyone
but in college it's more okay, even though some lectures I'm like alright fuck this, I'll have a nap then eat dinner in the cafeteria and figure this out myself. That doesn't really work as well in high school and not at all below that.
The thing is, hotdogs are so cheap because it is the least valued cut of meat on the animal. While we've certainly modified our animals to become bigger in the more valuable cuts areas, as long as people want steak there is a whole lot of cow left over that you can buy for maybe a dollar per pound. It's really hard to labgrow compete with that.
I bet it is easier to target highend food, make something that tastes great and you can charge a premium, than to compete with the gutter.
There are many people who are skilled in some subject, but don't have the skills to be an effective teacher.
Is there any actual evidence that a degree in education makes somebody a better teacher?
edit: this is more of a jab at higher education in general than it is at teachers
Skills related to teaching can be learned on the job just like any other profession so long as the proper infrastructure is in place to help new teachers develop and refine skills.
It's a profession whose biggest requirement for success is for the person leading the students be extremely flexible and be able to adapt lessons on the fly.
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It is interesting how the school education debate differs country to country. You guys seem to be talking about new training schemes, the English about grade inflation and silly syllabus decisions and NZ about class room sizes and compulsory mergers.
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"today the lecturer said that websites storing passwords in plaintext is bad and i learned that people didn't already know this. A please"
oh I thought you were in college, not in 6th grade.
it's a "passing grade for everyone in the audience" elective
problem is I need to get an A
and I have no idea how to write an A standard learning journal
comprehensive constructive criticism of the lectures? What worked, what you felt needed more explanation, etc. I dunno.
It sounds like a special kind of hell.
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Everyone loves a morality play. “For the wages of sin is death” is a much more satisfying message than “Shit happens.” We all want events to have meaning.
My daughter was bitching about how her boyfriend is bad at convincing his parents to let him do things (he has no license yet) and how they always just say no and don't listen to any reasons for anything and have no patience. As a frame of reference, he is the last of their four children. I was taking her to be dropped off to see a movie with him and as I stopped to get her a bit of cash for herself (along with "tell your stupid boyfriend to buy you lunch and bring back most of these dollars") I paused in the aisle of the store and I say:
"OK look. You cannot ever repeat this. Ever. EVER. But sometimes when your mother and I think about your brother who is 13... we are like oh my god five more years of this? noooooo so perhaps you should consider that your boyfriend's parents are at this point just really, really tired of being asked for things."
I have no idea if it helped or what lesson I taught but oh well!
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I feel like teaching and psychiatry are two professions where your personality is just as important as your training.
I can confirm that this is absolutely true for counseling psychology, hence my skepticism above.
(Psychiatry is a different animal because you prescribe medications. Still, there are ways to learn that skill without going through a 4 year medical degree.)
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Q. Help Me Tell Him!: I found out a few weeks ago that I'm expecting a child. My husband has two children from a previous marriage. About two years ago I got pregnant and my husband went into a violent depression. He didn't speak to me for weeks except to tell me how I had ruined his life. Then, when I miscarried he celebrated. I started bleeding in the grocery store, and he fell to his knees and "praised God" for this wonderful blessing. After months of therapy, we decided to try to make the marriage work, under the agreement that we would never have a child together. However, I now find myself pregnant again. And, I want this baby as much as I wanted the last one. The trouble is, I decided back then that I would never want a child with my husband. There is a very good chance that my husband will divorce me and leave a man-shaped hole in the front door as he grabs his two kids and runs as far away as he can. I am not ready for the end of the marriage I have put so many years and so much work into. But, I'm even more not ready to hear my husband try to talk me into an abortion—which is not an option. And, I think it would be traumatic for my stepchildren to watch me carry a baby to term and then put it up for adoption. They are well old enough to know what's happening. Plus, I could never part with my child. I have to tell him. But how?
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lady you have identified that there is a problem now expand the scope of that a little
My daughter was bitching about how her boyfriend is bad at convincing his parents to let him do things (he has no license yet) and how they always just say no and don't listen to any reasons for anything and have no patience. As a frame of reference, he is the last of their four children. I was taking her to be dropped off to see a movie with him and as I stopped to get her a bit of cash for herself (along with "tell your stupid boyfriend to buy you lunch and bring back most of these dollars") I paused in the aisle of the store and I say:
"OK look. You cannot ever repeat this. Ever. EVER. But sometimes when your mother and I think about your brother who is 13... we are like oh my god five more years of this? noooooo so perhaps you should consider that your boyfriend's parents are at this point just really, really tired of being asked for things."
I have no idea if it helped or what lesson I taught but oh well!
WHAT ABOUT EQUALITY, HUH SPOOL?
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My daughter was bitching about how her boyfriend is bad at convincing his parents to let him do things (he has no license yet) and how they always just say no and don't listen to any reasons for anything and have no patience. As a frame of reference, he is the last of their four children. I was taking her to be dropped off to see a movie with him and as I stopped to get her a bit of cash for herself (along with "tell your stupid boyfriend to buy you lunch and bring back most of these dollars") I paused in the aisle of the store and I say:
"OK look. You cannot ever repeat this. Ever. EVER. But sometimes when your mother and I think about your brother who is 13... we are like oh my god five more years of this? noooooo so perhaps you should consider that your boyfriend's parents are at this point just really, really tired of being asked for things."
I have no idea if it helped or what lesson I taught but oh well!
probably a terrible lesson
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How about metric metric?
right i mean
i know enough about literature to teach high school english classes, probably
but it doesn't mean that i could teach high school english classes
high school maybe requires more subject matter expertise and maybe less childhood development and socialization and pedagogy
since presumably by HS kids are mostly socialized and understand how to sit at their desks and take a test without biting each other
but really there are other challenges.
by college they just kind of assume that grad students and people with doctorates can teach things to young adults
and usually - lets be frank - they suck at it way worse that public school teachers even though they know their subjects better than anyone
Nah just melting some cheddar and pepper jack on top.
Gonna save this pizza money and get rid of some chips before they go stale.
i have no idea what this entails
"today the lecturer said that websites storing passwords in plaintext is bad and i learned that people didn't already know this. A please"
Until the people of Ukraine live in a post racial America
but in college it's more okay, even though some lectures I'm like alright fuck this, I'll have a nap then eat dinner in the cafeteria and figure this out myself. That doesn't really work as well in high school and not at all below that.
I bet it is easier to target highend food, make something that tastes great and you can charge a premium, than to compete with the gutter.
Skills related to teaching can be learned on the job just like any other profession so long as the proper infrastructure is in place to help new teachers develop and refine skills.
It's a profession whose biggest requirement for success is for the person leading the students be extremely flexible and be able to adapt lessons on the fly.
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Nah.
its a continuous performance, and with a class of 30 its pretty nightmarish stuff
u cannot help the people u need to and it sux
but tutoring 1 to 1, especially bros who need the help, is totally diff and a 1000 times more fun
oh I thought you were in college, not in 6th grade.
it's a "passing grade for everyone in the audience" elective
problem is I need to get an A
and I have no idea how to write an A standard learning journal
Where?
bioshock infinite is good and you should play it
unless you're one of those ladies who, like, exclusively plays japanese dating sims or something
and anybody being rude about hot people in my country will be KICK OUT
I'm pretty sure even @Elendil liked Infinite.
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Will's finger trembles over the ban button in lustful anticipation.
Hmm, tempting.
i didnt
im the specialest
comprehensive constructive criticism of the lectures? What worked, what you felt needed more explanation, etc. I dunno.
It sounds like a special kind of hell.
I love Krugman.
Bioshock Infinite is a little like a dating sim, if you think about it.
lecturer reading his slides, mandatory attendance, classes a 15 minute walk from the building where I spend 99% of my time in college
awful, just awful
"OK look. You cannot ever repeat this. Ever. EVER. But sometimes when your mother and I think about your brother who is 13... we are like oh my god five more years of this? noooooo so perhaps you should consider that your boyfriend's parents are at this point just really, really tired of being asked for things."
I have no idea if it helped or what lesson I taught but oh well!
I get to go to one of those classes right now. Wheee, marketing...
I can confirm that this is absolutely true for counseling psychology, hence my skepticism above.
(Psychiatry is a different animal because you prescribe medications. Still, there are ways to learn that skill without going through a 4 year medical degree.)
the "no true scotch man" fallacy.
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lady you have identified that there is a problem now expand the scope of that a little
you said 'calc won't be a problem i'll help u if u need it'
then when i messaged you halfway through the semester u were like 'ur being a bitch and i don't help bitches'
I REMEMBER THIS
not like that
bought it
Now I'm gonna bail on work early to play it. I held out on Infinite after it was on Amazon for $20 and my patience has been rewarded
WHAT ABOUT EQUALITY, HUH SPOOL?
probably a terrible lesson
she comes home with a tattoo of a marijuana leaf and a registered democrat