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Legacy of Kain is... um.. Well.. [Nosgoth]
Xaviar
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VbpMhMfnTuQI don't even..
I mean..
But uh..
Ugh.
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Though I never played any of the Legacy of Kain games so I'm detached from the gut wrenching cry of a series being taken out back and gutted.
But it seems so far removed from the Legacy of Kain series as I know it that I'm wondering what the exact point of resurrecting the IP for this specific purpose is.
If I were in charge of fan favourite IP's I'd resurrect them badly just to have something entertaining to read at nights.
I wonder how it feels to be so excited to launch something, put it out, and receive a resounding "UUUGH" from the community.
Class based free to play shooter. Because we don't have enough of those already.
For kicks I decided to sign up for the closed beta, and upon entering my details I was sent to a page and saw this:
I guess it's a sign?
Have we learned nothing publishers? From the XCOM reboot, from Syndicates failed reboot and the god awful Shadowrun Multiplayer Farce? You can't take an old IP, do radically different things with it and still proclaim it's a part of that IP. It's just plain stupid and it insults anyone who is a fan of what the original IP is. Especially when said failure may condemn the IP into oblivion like with Syndicate. Minding at least that fate was mercifully avoided by XCOM (the new Turn Based game is great) and Shadowrun (Kickstarter got an actual honest to goodness good RPG made out of it).
It's just, how can you not learn from repeated problems and failures from others?
You pipped me to the post but that's exactly what will happen.
Edit: It's especially disappointing because this is from Square-Enix, who rebooted Deus Ex, perfectly understanding what made the original a great game and making a worthy new installment (especially considering how terrible Invisible War was). Surely they know the road to success is pleasing fans of the franchise first while still making a game appealing to people who weren't?
But, uh... yeah. This looks like ass. Even just from that trailer the combat looks very lackluster, and dat texture quality. I'm pretty sure they were just making a bad shooter that had nothing going for it and someone said, "Eh, what kind of franchise tie-in can we slap on this thing for appeal? ...Legacy of Who? Sure, whatever."
a reboot similar to how Tomb Raider was handled could have breathed new life into the series and fixed the problems of later games.
this however is just so far removed from what the series was that it might as well be something else entirely. as has been said linking this to the LoK series seems to be a cynical cash-in that'll only hurt the IP in the long run.
Reboots can be pretty hit or miss, though. I mean, sometimes you get Tomb Raider... and sometimes you get Devil May Cry.
*shudders*
LoK was legitimately one of the hardest puzzle platformer franchises I've ever played. Maybe the hardest (not in terms of combat, but it terms of the complexity of the puzzles). It was on a different level.
It's easy enough to see why a published wouldn't welcome the idea of risking a modern-day game budget on something so complex, and ultimately, something probably so niche.
Apparently the XBox airquotes Shadowrun airquotes game wasn't enough of a cautionary tale.
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Hey, at least the guy said he was sorry for that one. :P
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Well, I liked the original Blood Omen, Soul Reaver and Soul Reaver 2. Nothing was really wrong per se with Defiance or Blood Omen 2, but they felt pretty dated and the writing was a step below what it was in the previous games.
One could understand maybe going to an RPG or 2D style game, but the only thing that would be worse than this would a moba.
I'm going to kill one of the kittens to feel better.
They were, they were kind of like Vampire Zelda but with a more talkative cast.
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Winged Vampire sounds fun at least.
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The DMC with the thread title on these very forums "It's actually good?"
I mean, heard mixed opinions, but some very sensible game critics seem to dig it. I think there's a lot of better examples you could find.
(Also, I adore on principle any game with an extended exchange consisting exclusively of minor variants on "FUCK YOU")
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It's a crime that we don't have a modern Blood Omen or Soul Reaver. They'd be incredible on next gen consoles.
Except they shouldn't exist. Raziel's clan was wiped out after Kain had him killed.
While I'm being a lore asshole, shouldn't this game take place BEFORE Soul Reaver? At the point of Soul Reaver the Vampires had most assuredly won. Humanity was reduces to extremely small pockets of resistance.
Hmm, I do remember at least one level in a human fortress though.
Also love how they we didn't see a single shot of the Pillars, the single most important landmark in Nosgoth.
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I get that not all of these things were entirely the creators' fault, but it sure was a kick in the gut at the time.
If they don't want the reaction to their game to be a massive sigh of disappointment, maybe they shouldn't be aping the name/reputation from a series with existing fans, if their game isn't going to follow said games in plot/spirit/whatever to a significant degree.
The thing about LoK is that the timeline is fucking bonkers, and you have to either carefully place your continuity to work with the older games or you just have to say, "screw it" and do some coin-landing-on-its-edge stuff to brazenly overwrite the old continuity.
I'm not sure if this is better or worse.
Eh, it's probably about the same.
Well, they've got winged vampires from Raziel's clan, so that puts it at some point after the Pillars get destroyed and Raziel gets turned into a vampire.
But the wings put it around the beginning of Soul Reaver's intro. Since his clan was wiped out after his 'execution', it gets complicated. It could be the brief period between the execution of Raziel and the extinction of the clan, but by the time he developed wings, the humans were all but wiped out.
Pretty sure we've already put more thought into this game's place in the timeline than they have.
It looks like the one thing this game will really be missing is the awesome voice acting, so they've already lost me.
Well, best of luck to them in digging out of the deep hole they chose to start in. They'll fucking need it.
Oh man... wings? Cripes. That IS messy. I don't think Raz ever had a chance to build up a new clan, either. Maybe some of his progeny escaped?
But you're right, we're probably thinking about it more than they did.
Also, if Simon Templeman doesn't yell "vae victus!" then I can't consider it a true LoK game, regardless of any other factor.
They can actually get a pass on that one. They said in SR that the vampires in the clan got powers from their master (somehow).
So Rahab's clan could swim, Zephon's turned spidery, etc.
Raziel's clan would have developed wings after he did.
Really, the only way to sort this out would be craploads of time travel, which would complicate things even more, but be necessary to get all these forces together in the same period.
Instead we get...this crap.